DanMan2k06
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Hahahaha oh I know, I went to his graduation and it was a riot. You're roads up there BLOW too. If you get death wobble easily forget about it...
H4 HID conversion kit
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GhostDakota
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GhostDakota
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Clear!!!!
*AED administered shock @ 400 joules*
lol...
*AED administered shock @ 400 joules*
lol...
GhostDakota
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I'm calling it. Time of death 11:44am.
DanMan2k06
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Wait! Where's the defibrillator! I mean I'm kinda out of stuff, I still gotta wait around to find the right prices for the right parts.
I reeeeally wanna do an ls430 retro, but I know there's absolutely no way they would fit in a 7x6... Maybe I'll look into some auxillary lighting.
I reeeeally wanna do an ls430 retro, but I know there's absolutely no way they would fit in a 7x6... Maybe I'll look into some auxillary lighting.
MG2000XJ
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Reading the October issue of Jp magazine I came across these:
http://www.electrosport.com/off-road-truck/hid-lighting.php
I couldnt find what they had pictured in the magazine but it was a dual bulb (stacked,1 above the other) with high & low. As the high beam was turned on the low stayed on doubling the output wattage to 250 per bulb. The description states this feature allows use of light in long range and short range at the same time.
Anyone ever heard of this company? Good, bad, any reviews?
Edit: there is nothing listed in the jeep sections but under Toyota there is an h4 kit with the high-low dual bulb set up
http://www.electrosport.com/products/product-detail-500.php
Will this kit along with a projector like this be a decent setup for high-low beam?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/azianlegend/19587483.jpg
http://www.electrosport.com/off-road-truck/hid-lighting.php
I couldnt find what they had pictured in the magazine but it was a dual bulb (stacked,1 above the other) with high & low. As the high beam was turned on the low stayed on doubling the output wattage to 250 per bulb. The description states this feature allows use of light in long range and short range at the same time.
Anyone ever heard of this company? Good, bad, any reviews?
Edit: there is nothing listed in the jeep sections but under Toyota there is an h4 kit with the high-low dual bulb set up
http://www.electrosport.com/products/product-detail-500.php
Will this kit along with a projector like this be a decent setup for high-low beam?
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/azianlegend/19587483.jpg
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Talyn
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That H4 electrosport dual HID is very interesting.
However, there is no true projector type housing made for the XJ light type. The "projectors" you can purchase on ebay are not true projectors and cheaply made. A projector retrofit is what you have shown, where you take an after market lamp assembly apart and retrofit a HID projector from another vehicle in it. That wouldn't use that H4 type bulb.
As for low beam on with high beam there is no point. Having all that light right in front of you will diminish your long range vision.
However, there is no true projector type housing made for the XJ light type. The "projectors" you can purchase on ebay are not true projectors and cheaply made. A projector retrofit is what you have shown, where you take an after market lamp assembly apart and retrofit a HID projector from another vehicle in it. That wouldn't use that H4 type bulb.
As for low beam on with high beam there is no point. Having all that light right in front of you will diminish your long range vision.
MG2000XJ
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Ok, I thought I might as well check out the electrosport thing for a possible other option, thanks Talyn!
Talyn
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It would be interesting to see how the electrosport thing works on a good H4 housing (IPF, Cibie). Interesting concept though and better than the bixenon that moves. A bit pricey though.
MG2000XJ
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Thats what I was originally thinking. If you could use the Hella, Ipf, Cibie h4 housings and retrofit a projector into them with a different lens with a different beam pattern could that possibly work?
Talyn
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No, that wouldn't work. The projector takes the place of a fluted lens, which the IPF, Hella and Cibies are. The flutes in the glass give the beam pattern, which is what the projectors do as well. One or the other. If you are retrofitting a projector in a housing you don't need a good H4 housing since the H4 and the lens will be gone.
MG2000XJ
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So to retrofit a projector in a housing like this would be what you need to do? And in order to use those electrosport toyota h4 bulbs the housing above would need to be an h4 bulb?
Talyn
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So to retrofit a projector in a housing like this would be what you need to do? And in order to use those electrosport toyota h4 bulbs the housing above would need to be an h4 bulb?
You would need the housing and the projector from another vehicle plus the related HID equipment like ballast, bulb and ignitor.
To use the H4s from that toyota all you would need is the kit and a good H4 housing.
You will still get a better beam pattern and less glare with the retrofit.
MG2000XJ
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gotcha, thanks again
Stallacrew
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Just to make sure I know what is going here:
I buy a matching set of OEM (not shitty cheap eBay kind) projectors, and strip them down to the projector. Get a Jeep headlight housing and somehow fit it in straight, and then get the proper HID bulb size and ballast and all that.......then I'll have some pretty legit HIDs with nice cut off?
From what I understand a retrofit is just using the projector the way it is, and fitting it behind a piece of glass to hold it in place, protect it, and keep it looking the right way. que?
Do you get nice cut off with e-codes or Autopals? or is that just with projectors?
I buy a matching set of OEM (not shitty cheap eBay kind) projectors, and strip them down to the projector. Get a Jeep headlight housing and somehow fit it in straight, and then get the proper HID bulb size and ballast and all that.......then I'll have some pretty legit HIDs with nice cut off?
From what I understand a retrofit is just using the projector the way it is, and fitting it behind a piece of glass to hold it in place, protect it, and keep it looking the right way. que?
Do you get nice cut off with e-codes or Autopals? or is that just with projectors?
it doesn't matter if you get ecodes or dot headlights because you won't be using the reflector to control light. That task will now be the projectors job. You'd want to, obviously, get a headlight with a clear lens.... something easy to cut and easy to seal properly.
Just remember that there are two kinds of projectors out there. Single beam and bi-xenon. The bi-xenon projectors tend to be larger because they house a motor that actuates a flap inside the projector. That flap controls the beam pattern (high and low). Most of these projectors will require cutting inside your header panel as well. Bi-xenons will also require wiring harness upgrade.
Just remember that there are two kinds of projectors out there. Single beam and bi-xenon. The bi-xenon projectors tend to be larger because they house a motor that actuates a flap inside the projector. That flap controls the beam pattern (high and low). Most of these projectors will require cutting inside your header panel as well. Bi-xenons will also require wiring harness upgrade.
MG2000XJ
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Urban,
With your vast knowledge of hid's and how they work and how to mount them. What is your opinion on the Electrosport h4 setup? Do you think the dual bulb setup is a gimmick or functional?
With your vast knowledge of hid's and how they work and how to mount them. What is your opinion on the Electrosport h4 setup? Do you think the dual bulb setup is a gimmick or functional?
I'm really not an expert, but I was just talking to tayln about the Electrosport kit. IMO, it's far better than the ebay hi/lo HID kits because those kits use a cheap halogen attached to the HID bulb (these use 2 HID bulbs), but here are 3 concerns:
1) That kit still depends on your reflectors to control your beam. You might have glare. Email the company for wall shots in a sealed beam headlight (like our 6054 for example). The last thing you want is trouble from the cops because you're blinding people.
2) Having 2 HID bulbs on simultaneously sounds pretty good (in high beam mode), but keep in mind that-that equals 70w of draw opposed to 55w from a standard halogen. I don't know if that's enough to affect your stock wiring harness. Moreso, I don't know how a 6054 will handle all that light.
3) Price. At $400, it's an expensive kit. You're probably $150 away from a Xenarc X6054 kit (2nd gen). It uses an HID low beam bulb, and an Silverstar halogen to compliment the high beam. It's also DOT approved. You're also pretty close to a DIY bi-xenon retro.
1) That kit still depends on your reflectors to control your beam. You might have glare. Email the company for wall shots in a sealed beam headlight (like our 6054 for example). The last thing you want is trouble from the cops because you're blinding people.
2) Having 2 HID bulbs on simultaneously sounds pretty good (in high beam mode), but keep in mind that-that equals 70w of draw opposed to 55w from a standard halogen. I don't know if that's enough to affect your stock wiring harness. Moreso, I don't know how a 6054 will handle all that light.
3) Price. At $400, it's an expensive kit. You're probably $150 away from a Xenarc X6054 kit (2nd gen). It uses an HID low beam bulb, and an Silverstar halogen to compliment the high beam. It's also DOT approved. You're also pretty close to a DIY bi-xenon retro.
yossarian19
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OK, bear with me folks I'm a-learning. How's this for a review?
HID systems:
Bi-xenon refers to hi/low capability within the projector, with some mechanical contrivance altering the observed beam - but the bulb does nothing different.
You can also go single-xenon with a simpler projector and no "hi/low" differentiation.
HID systems require a projector housing (which can be made after-market out of more traditional housings) optimized for the bulb type and light output. From the power relay you wire to some sort of ballast (don't go cheap as the junkier units can cause a fire) then to igniter and bulb. HID a total re-wire of your headlights. If you screw it up you can create a lot of glare, fires, blind people, make jesus cry etc.
Reg H4 conversions can use halogen or xenon bulbs but neither is likely to be as bright as HID xenons, or as sexy. Hella, Delta and Ebay all carry 6054 ---> H4 housings and there are drop-in wiring harnesses available to further enhance light output.
Is this all correct or am I spacing out and missing things?
HID systems:
Bi-xenon refers to hi/low capability within the projector, with some mechanical contrivance altering the observed beam - but the bulb does nothing different.
You can also go single-xenon with a simpler projector and no "hi/low" differentiation.
HID systems require a projector housing (which can be made after-market out of more traditional housings) optimized for the bulb type and light output. From the power relay you wire to some sort of ballast (don't go cheap as the junkier units can cause a fire) then to igniter and bulb. HID a total re-wire of your headlights. If you screw it up you can create a lot of glare, fires, blind people, make jesus cry etc.
Reg H4 conversions can use halogen or xenon bulbs but neither is likely to be as bright as HID xenons, or as sexy. Hella, Delta and Ebay all carry 6054 ---> H4 housings and there are drop-in wiring harnesses available to further enhance light output.
Is this all correct or am I spacing out and missing things?
Stallacrew
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My question about the E-Codes and Autopals were not in regard to a retro-fit. I was wondering if you would get a good sharp cutoff with h4's in ecodes minus the projector retrofitted. OR if the only way to get a good cutoff was with the projector.
Also, does anyone make a 6054 headlight housing with a projector in it, and that fits one of the common "h" sized bulbs? Cutting the housing to retrofit and cutting the header panel some is no problem, but if I'm gonna go through all that trouble I wanted to make sure no one made a part I thought had to be custom.
EDIT: does anyone make a GOOD 6054 housing. I know cheap ones are on eBay.
--Alex
Also, does anyone make a 6054 headlight housing with a projector in it, and that fits one of the common "h" sized bulbs? Cutting the housing to retrofit and cutting the header panel some is no problem, but if I'm gonna go through all that trouble I wanted to make sure no one made a part I thought had to be custom.
EDIT: does anyone make a GOOD 6054 housing. I know cheap ones are on eBay.
--Alex
