Guns

[DJManche]

Yes , the Russians built a good weapon but the chinese made it cheap .
The Germans made it a weapon I would like to have , with the composite stock
and receiver . They added rails for sight options and targeting systems .

I would never own a chinese replica , being that most of the stateside weapons
are in fact those models . While being somewhat jam proof , I've seen more than a handful blow up in peoples faces . Allot of that has to do with the rounds that your using , and what type of powder the manufacturer was using.

I can field strip a AR in less than 30 sec . Put it back together in less than a min . I'll stick with the better weapon , while it may triple feed or jam , its easy to fix .

 

[hurley842002]

All the AK vs. AR talk aside, it all boils down to your preference. I went the AR route because I like the platform and I like the round (start shooting 75gr Hornady's or 77gr Sierra's, those will stop a fight real quick). Bottom line is, you aren't going into battle with this weapon, You will soon be issued an M16 or M4 for that, lol. Which is all the more reason to go with the platform you will be using in the Army, practice, practice, practice. Just makes sense to me. The AK (and many more weapons) can always come later. Besides, you don't want to have to tell your kids that your first weapon was made by the commies do you? LOL

 

[SteveT]

Guns? Assume the forward leaning position...

Kick? Weapons don't kick, they recoil. Assume the forward leaning position...

 

[hurley842002]

Since I know you will make the correct choice, and go with the AR platform, let me make a recommendation for you. I don't give as much advice as most on the forum as most, but if you don't take my advice at any other time, take my advice now. BCM Upper and Bolt carrier group FTW. A good majority of folks are going to tell you to go with a Colt, nothing wrong with that, Colt is the AR that every other AR is compared to. A BCM upper and bolt carrier group, is going to be in EVERY way as good as a Colt, and will be significantly cheaper. Do some price checking and research on BCM products, and I doubt you will hear anybody say anything bad about them. Lower receiver isn't quite as critical, but I would certainly choose something with a decent name, I'm using a Bushmaster paired with my BCM, but I plan on ordering a BCM lower at some point, guess I just like things to match. I will include a couple links below, to assist in your research.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-14-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-A2X-p/bcm-urg-m4-14 a2x.htm

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=63

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html (don't get too caught up in "The Chart", it's just a tool, kind of showing how different company's manufacture their rifles, basically all compared to Colt).

http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/bcm-complete-ar15-upper-and-lower-receivers (this link has some really good info, from guys that run these weapons HARD).


I went with the upper in the first link, I really have no reason to remove the flash hider, and wanted the shortest barrel possible without having to go through the NFA BS. However you could always do the 16" with removable flash hider. Mid length AR's are kind of a big deal right now also, supposedly a bit more reliable than the Carbine length but I think that is negligible. For what it's worth, my 14.5" BCM upper is more accurate (with me behind it), than our Colt 20" rifles at work, and it literally only took me 10 shots out of the box, to sight in, Can't say the same for my Bushy upper (tho a good upper as well).

 

[XCastleXJ]

ive got 2 ARs and can get 2 AKs for a day. if you buy yourself some ammo we can go out for a day and you can shoot them side by side and figure it out so that you dont have to read through everyones bullshit on here.

your call.

 

[hurley842002]

so that you dont have to read through everyones bullshit on here.

your call.

Ya, copy on the bullshit. He asked for opinions, he got them. However shooting an AR and an AK side by side is not a bad idea.

 

[XCastleXJ]

Ya, copy on the bullshit. He asked for opinions, he got them. However shooting an AR and an AK side by side is not a bad idea.

bullshit, opinions on an individualized matter, ideas, preferences, thoughts... whatever.

i didnt mean for it to sound like i was saying that any of the people who responded were full of crap. just that instead of overloading his brain with other peoples opinions, he can come out and form his own. :cheers:

 

[mcantar18c]

bullshit, opinions on an individualized matter, ideas, preferences, thoughts... whatever.

i didnt mean for it to sound like i was saying that any of the people who responded were full of crap. just that instead of overloading his brain with other peoples opinions, he can come out and form his own. :cheers:

Thanks for the offer bud :thumbup:. My problem is that I HAVE shot both and I like both for different reasons, and am split between the two... so I asked for the opinions of the folks on here. I may take you up on your offer though...

 

[ColoradoRaptor]

Its useful I dont disagree on that. I just think all this gun talk should be on another forum besides a Jeep Cherokee forum. I dont mind the stories every once in awhile but Gun threads are never ending, everyone has likes and dislikes. Then people start up new arguments and yada yada. I dont care that its here it just funny to me how people rant and rave over guns thats all. To me if you want to buy a gun then you need to do your own research and buy what fits your needs or what your going to be using that gun for.

STFU..... This forum has been overly dry as of late! A little gun talk is refreshing! You can have your 2 cents back......

 

[mcantar18c]

Well I've been looking at Hurley's links and doin some more research, and I've decided to go with the AR.
I've got everything picked out and bookmarked except for the barrel... I'm stuck between a 12.5" and a 14.5"
Now I just gotta sell the truck... there's a big diesel truck fest thing at Bandimere on the 8th, so I'll bring the truck with a for sale sign and cross my fingers lol.

 

[scottydoes]

you wont be able to build a SBR in the timeframe before you ship out, i have been waiting on my tax stamp for four months....

 

[XCastleXJ]

12.5 will require a $200 tax stamp, i dont THINK 14.5 will... but i could be wrong.

and SBRs can give you alot of attitude and be picky about ammo. novesky makes quality uppers for that though. they are properly drilled to the right size to alow enough back pressure to cycle the weapon while alot of others are less reliable.

 

[scottydoes]

not to mention louder then hell, and the tax stamp is for anything under a 16" barrel.

it requires an ATF from 1, which you have to get passport photos, and a sherrifs signature for. the easiest route is to see na attorney and have them draw up a trust for the weapon, then the photos and sheriffs signature are not required. it costs a little bit though. there are programs you can use to draw up your own trust, and have it notarized, but they are questionable at best if ever came to a legal matter.

 

[hurley842002]

The only way you would be able to go with a 14.5, is if you get one with a permanently attached flash hider (pinned and welded), bringing total barrel length to 16".

Like I said, I really have no reason to need to remove the flash hider, so having one permanently attached is no big deal to me.

 

[mcantar18c]

If the tax stamp BS didn't take so damn long I'd probably go with the 12.5"... but since I'd be gone and have one issued to me anyway before all the shit goes through there's no point. Seems like my best option would be to go with the 14.5" with the permanent flash hider now and then just get the 12.5" barrel later on.
Hurley, what all is involved in getting that 14.5" barrel? Any special permits or anything necessary?

 

[hurley842002]

If the tax stamp BS didn't take so damn long I'd probably go with the 12.5"... but since I'd be gone and have one issued to me anyway before all the shit goes through there's no point. Seems like my best option would be to go with the 14.5" with the permanent flash hider now and then just get the 12.5" barrel later on.
Hurley, what all is involved in getting that 14.5" barrel? Any special permits or anything necessary?

No permit necessary, just click the little "add to cart" button on the Bravo company page, enter your info, and choose your favorite Credit Card to make purchase with.

One thing I would like to point out however. If you plan to add an optic and flip up iron sights later on, the permanent flash hider will make it a bit tougher to do, as you will have to cut the Front sight base off, and then use a two piece front site. Quite a simple process, nothing a dremel can't handle, but it's an extra step. Just wanted to point that out, as a drawback to the permanent flash hider.

 

[mcantar18c]

No permit necessary, just click the little "add to cart" button on the Bravo company page, enter your info, and choose your favorite Credit Card to make purchase with.

One thing I would like to point out however. If you plan to add an optic and flip up iron sights later on, the permanent flash hider will make it a bit tougher to do, as you will have to cut the Front sight base off, and then use a two piece front site. Quite a simple process, nothing a dremel can't handle, but it's an extra step. Just wanted to point that out, as a drawback to the permanent flash hider.

Great, just what I was hoping to hear... I'm all for gun REGULATION, but this gun CONTROL bullshit that they've got goin makes everything confusing. I wasn't sure if you needed a special permit to own a gun that looks like an assault rifle.
As for optics, I was planning on getting an EOTech holographic sight that's been calibrated for 5.56, and one of these knockoff ACOGs... time to dig out the dremel.
I'll be getting a flat-top upper and a Daniel Defense free-floating SOCOM issue handguard... so wouldn't that eliminate the iron sights anyway?

 

[XCastleXJ]

no no no no no. dont get a fixed front sight. get a railed gas block instead and throw a flip up sight on there. why on earth would you get a fixed sight if you have to cut it off down the road... or am i missing something?

 

[hurley842002]

I'll be getting a flat-top upper and a Daniel Defense free-floating SOCOM issue handguard... so wouldn't that eliminate the iron sights anyway?

Depends on the length of the rail system you use. If you use the carbine length, you can either keep the standard front site, or remove the standard front sight and use a picatinny gas block, and then have options to add flip up iron sights. However if you choose to use the standard front site, you will need a 2 piece free float rail.

As far as the Daniel Defense setup, I assume you are talking about the MK18. In that case you would eliminate the standard front site, and replace it with a low profile gas block, then have your choice of flip up front sights to mount to the MK18.

Hope all this isn't too confusing, lol.

 

[hurley842002]

no no no no no. dont get a fixed front sight. get a railed gas block instead and throw a flip up sight on there. why on earth would you get a fixed sight if you have to cut it off down the road... or am i missing something?

I think he is looking at the 14.5" Pinned BCM upper, and it isn't offered with a railed gas block.