Got a no front plate ticket today

IslanderOffRoad said:
The fact is the front plate gives them a good reflective surface for radar to bounce off of when they're checking your speed.

I think I'll spray the damn thing flat black then put it back on.

Radar doesn't need a reflective surface. It only needs a surface perpendicular to its travel. Thats why the stealth fighters and bombers use angles. Its not like a chrome bumper is more appealing to radar than a flat black one.

Short radio waves reflect from curves and corners, in a way similar to glint from a rounded piece of glass. The most reflective targets for short wavelengths have 90° angles between the reflective surfaces. A structure consisting of three flat surfaces meeting at a single corner, like the corner on a box, will always reflect waves entering its opening directly back at the source. These so-called corner reflectors are commonly used as radar reflectors to make otherwise difficult-to-detect objects easier to detect, and are often found on boats in order to improve their detection in a rescue situation and to reduce collisions. For similar reasons, objects attempting to avoid detection will angle their surfaces in a way to eliminate inside corners and avoid surfaces and edges perpendicular to likely detection directions, which leads to "odd" looking stealth aircraft. These precautions do not completely eliminate reflection because of diffraction, especially at longer wavelengths. Half wavelength long wires or strips of conducting material, such as chaff, are very reflective but do not direct the scattered energy back toward the source. The extent to which an object reflects or scatters radio waves is called its radar cross section.
 
silverslk said:
Radar doesn't need a reflective surface. It only needs a surface perpendicular to its travel. Thats why the stealth fighters and bombers use angles. Its not like a chrome bumper is more appealing to radar than a flat black one.

Short radio waves reflect from curves and corners, in a way similar to glint from a rounded piece of glass. The most reflective targets for short wavelengths have 90° angles between the reflective surfaces. A structure consisting of three flat surfaces meeting at a single corner, like the corner on a box, will always reflect waves entering its opening directly back at the source. These so-called corner reflectors are commonly used as radar reflectors to make otherwise difficult-to-detect objects easier to detect, and are often found on boats in order to improve their detection in a rescue situation and to reduce collisions. For similar reasons, objects attempting to avoid detection will angle their surfaces in a way to eliminate inside corners and avoid surfaces and edges perpendicular to likely detection directions, which leads to "odd" looking stealth aircraft. These precautions do not completely eliminate reflection because of diffraction, especially at longer wavelengths. Half wavelength long wires or strips of conducting material, such as chaff, are very reflective but do not direct the scattered energy back toward the source. The extent to which an object reflects or scatters radio waves is called its radar cross section.

Damn! You go Bill Ny the Science Guy!:hang:
 
silverslk said:
Short radio waves reflect from curves and corners...<A whole bunch of stuff no one undrestands>

Check out the brain on Andy!

I would'a know'd that to but I flunked Kemestry.


I also got a no front plate ticket while sitting in a parking lot eating lunch.

DAMN THA MAN!

(0-5 of my cars have front plates now)

Ride'on,

~C!~
 
Luckily here in AR we aren't required to run front plates. Hell I went over a year with my license plate just laid on my dash, and never got a ticket.
 
AppleValleySlim said:
Check out the brain on Andy!

I would'a know'd that to but I flunked Kemestry.


I also got a no front plate ticket while sitting in a parking lot eating lunch.

DAMN THA MAN!

(0-5 of my cars have front plates now)

Ride'on,

~C!~

You don't have to have plates if they don't run!!!! haha yee haw!!!
 
silverslk said:
Radar doesn't need a reflective surface. It only needs a surface perpendicular to its travel. Thats why the stealth fighters and bombers use angles. Its not like a chrome bumper is more appealing to radar than a flat black one.

Short radio waves reflect from curves and corners, in a way similar to glint from a rounded piece of glass. The most reflective targets for short wavelengths have 90° angles between the reflective surfaces. A structure consisting of three flat surfaces meeting at a single corner, like the corner on a box, will always reflect waves entering its opening directly back at the source. These so-called corner reflectors are commonly used as radar reflectors to make otherwise difficult-to-detect objects easier to detect, and are often found on boats in order to improve their detection in a rescue situation and to reduce collisions. For similar reasons, objects attempting to avoid detection will angle their surfaces in a way to eliminate inside corners and avoid surfaces and edges perpendicular to likely detection directions, which leads to "odd" looking stealth aircraft. These precautions do not completely eliminate reflection because of diffraction, especially at longer wavelengths. Half wavelength long wires or strips of conducting material, such as chaff, are very reflective but do not direct the scattered energy back toward the source. The extent to which an object reflects or scatters radio waves is called its radar cross section.

Interesting. I'd been told that was one of the reasons we have front plates.

They should do away with them, but charge the same amount of fees for license plates. Would save the state alot of money, they would print 1/2 the plates and take in the same fees.
 
djblade311 said:
copy and paste from WikiPedia. :)

I'm no genious. I just know how things work. haha

The first part was me. Then I looked it up on wikipedia to make sure I wasn't completely full of $hit then copy/pasted the last paragraph. haha good eye!!! :thumbup:
 
what bout puttin it in the windsheild...
 
blackdoutxj said:
what bout puttin it in the windsheild...

They don't go for that anymore.
 
Maybe I'll tack some nuts on to the bumper and screw the plate into them.
 
The important part is this:
CVC_3.1.9.5201 said:
License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible.
Note that it doesn't say what *angle* they have to be visible from (though I wouldn't recommend the pedant approach with a cop... maybe with the judge). The relevant sections of code are here: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd3c1a9.htm (which also notes that, if you were *issued* two plates, then you have to use both of 'em).
 
IslanderOffRoad said:
apparently there was no crime in Los Angeles today, because I'd like to think the LAPD has better things to do. :laugh2:

2 bike cops in West LA on Bundy just south of the 10 fwy were just sitting there flagging over cars with no front plate, my Jeep happened to be one of them.

Just wanted to give a warning, don't know if they'll be there more this week.

Now, what to do for the fix it ticket? I've got an aftermarket front bumper, no plate mount. Zip ties are out, I heard they don't accept that as a fix now. Is it possible to weld the plate to the bumper?

Be happy if it's just a fix-it ticket.
I got a no front plate ticket in S.F. a couple of years ago and it cost me $100. :thumbdn:
 
Hildy said:
The important part is this: Note that it doesn't say what *angle* they have to be visible from (though I wouldn't recommend the pedant approach with a cop... maybe with the judge). The relevant sections of code are here: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd3c1a9.htm (which also notes that, if you were *issued* two plates, then you have to use both of 'em).

Well if you stand at the right angle and look into my garage, you can see the plate
 
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