Gas Prices!!!

Gas prices Jumped $0.15 in the past 24hrs here in Md...... its close to $3.00 a gallon and I drive 75 miles a day its starting to make my wallet sore ........... Im accually thinking about looking for a job within 5 miles of my house so I can ride my moutain bike there........
 
shiete

i got 16-18 driving here from CA on 33x12.50's with the added weight of a d44 and a ford 9" as well as AC on the whole way and all my crap for college in the back.

Stock exhaust, custom - but crappy - air tube
1992 - stock 4.0...
3.50's with the 4.0 and the ax-15 on 33's - used 5th gear the whole way...

dono what im doing right
 
Cherokeekid88 said:
yeah ihear that gas is supposed to go up 15 cents by labor day

It always goes up here on thursday nite .05-.10 cents, stations up here are geared for tourists then it usually goes down .02 cents or so on mondays, but it never goes down the same as it went up. Almost all our gas n shop types stations here have been bought by people from india in the last 2 months and as soon as they took over the stations [5 in our area] prices went up .12 cents across the board within 2 days, probably did not get as good a deal as the original owners.
Anybody have any idea of the profit margin that most stations work on with gas ? I'm just wondering how much the station owners are gouging for as they ride along on the shirttails of the oil companies. I am for sure rethinking my next vehicle and just may go with a hybrid vs a TJ unlimited.
 
RichP said:
I am for sure rethinking my next vehicle and just may go with a hybrid vs a TJ unlimited.

VW TDI... haven't you been paying attention Rich? Hybrids are over-rated. Besides, how are you gonna fit computer crap and tools into a Prius? You'd do well with a Passat wagon.
 
These gas prices are indeed out of control, and there doesn't seem to be any achievable short term fixes - the United States needs to have a sustainable supply of oil while aggressively developing a realistic fossil fuel replacement. So far I don't see either of those two things happening with any real effort.

I am on the road a lot, and I can tell you that many people complaining about high gas prices absolutely refuse to do the one thing that they can to conserve fuel: OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT. I do my best to use the CC and stay within a mile or two of the posted limit. Every highway I use, virtually every other driver roars by me at 10 or more over the limit. Many times I get stared at like some kind of circus freak in the process (not that I care).
If you have one child, use a Tahoe or Expedition as your primary family car, drive 75 MPH and leave a cargo carrier strapped to your roof all the time STFU about gas prices - you are a piss poor decision maker and deserve to pay for your stupidity.

Keep in mind that the federal government levies 18.4 cents per gallon sold, and the average state tax is an additional 22 cents. Add to that many cities and counties tack yet another fee on to each gallon sold. Elected officials could provide an instant reduction in the retail price of gasoline by cutting taxes.
 
RKBA said:
Keep in mind that the federal government levies 18.4 cents per gallon sold, and the average state tax is an additional 22 cents. Add to that many cities and counties tack yet another fee on to each gallon sold. Elected officials could provide an instant reduction in the retail price of gasoline by cutting taxes.

True, each barrel of oil also gets taxed when it comes ashore, then taxed again as fuel. If they reduced the tax on a gallon of gas that means they'd just have to steal it some other more insidious way...
 
What?!? Reduce taxes? Bite yer tongue!

Frankly, if the government (at whatever level) were truly concerned about the economic well-being of the body politic, they wouldn't keep bumping up the minimum wage every year. When you come right down to it, when the minimum wage goes up, the only people that "win" are the ones that collect the taxes - the increased costs of production (that money has to come from somewhere!) offsets any perceived benefit of wage increases.

So, every time the minimum wage goes up, the dollar is further devalued.

I've said it before - but that was elsewhere, so here we go again...

1) Return to the "Gold" Standard (or silver, or platinum, or brass - but something with an agreed-upon intrinsic value, which is neither expendable or non-renewable. Hell, seed wheat would be an improvement over what we've got now - which is, by default, oil.) This will give the dollar an anchor - something we haven't had since 1933.

2) Rip the bottom out of the minimum wage, and thereby reduce costs of production. All this "living wage" fuss is caused largely by a massively devalued dollar and the lack of a tangible anchor for same. Let's face it - one US dollar has the intrinsic value of a bookmark (or bog paper, take your pick,) and the beginning of the end was the issuance of "Federal Reserve Notes" on the heels of the "Gold Certificate" and "Silver Certificate." The difference between a "Note" and a "Certificate" is simple - while neither has an intrinsic value of its own, the "Certificate" was redeemable, upon demand, to the bearer for a known amount of gold or silver. I suppose they were issued for convenience, but I'd feel better with a pocketful of cartwheels than I would with a pocketful of rubbish paper (still do. Bring back the Double Eagle!)

3) Cure our various "trade imbalances" - and only give MFN status to those nations who agree to do commerce with us on an equal footing (i.e. - spend one million dollars for each dollar we spend there.) Revoke all current MFN (especially mainland China! How'd they ever get that?) and make it perfectly understood that the new MFN status may be revoked at any time for non-performance. No more "trade deficit!"

4) While we're at it, no more "deficit spending" in Washington! Pay cash or do without - meaning you can manage our (national) finances like you expect us to manage our (personal) finances.

5) No more "get-rich-quick-in-Congress." What do I mean? It's simple - it's public service. The state of Vermont still pays its legislators the token sum of $100 per year, as I recall - enforcing the idea of public servitude. Since most of our so-called "servants" are independently wealthy, what do they need our money for?

For those who are not (and, by some miracle, get elected anyhow,) I am willing to compromise - a stipend to cover such bills and obligations you have at the time of your election and a modest per diem for such daily/routine expenses as can be realistically expected. You aren't there to get rich, so stop thinking you are!

Likewise, all the "pension" ideas go right out. I can understand certain elected officials having paid protection for the rest of their lives (former presidents, chairmen of various Armed Forces and (maybe) Law Enforcement committees, and suchlike,) but there should be a demonstrated and understandable need for such protection.

Raises while in office? Don't be daft! If you feel you just aren't getting enough, you may face your constituency with your hat in your hand and explain to us how much you need, why you need it, and why you deserve it. This isn't like a regular job - so there's no reason to expect regular raises. Oh - it takes a supermajority for approval (either 2/3 or 75% - I haven't decided,) and your replacement gets only what he would normally get - he doesn't get your raise. Sure - the base may be raised for Cost of Living adjustments, but there's no reason to be greedy about it.

Once the dollar has an intrinsic value that is not readily subject to change, and the minimum wage issue has sorted itself out (should only take two to four years - it will be tough but it will be worth it,) we will be setting the example for other nations to follow. Did you know that virtually no world monetary unit is based upon anything but "Full Faith and Credit" anymore? No wonder the dollar's worthless - what is the true "Full Faith and Credit" of a nation that is several trillion dollars in debt? I haven't knowingly seen a trillion of anything - so who can honestly comprehend the number?

Doing this will correct the basic problem with fuel prices - the fact that the closest thing there is to an extant specie standard is petroleum - an expendable, non-renewable resource.

For other concerns...

1) Driving the speed limit is not guaranteed to save fuel mileage - unless you are "geared" for ideal crankshaft speed at that road speed. Peak engine efficiency is found at peak torque - which makes an ideal cruising speed an engineering problem, not a legislative one. In fourth gear, I get best cruise mileage at or near 72 miles per hour - in fifth gear, at around 90. If I change my axle gearing (which I plan to do - 3.07 is silly!) I will change those speed points - and I will select gearing based upon intended use and cruiseworthiness of the overall drivetrain combination. You don't get better mileage just by reducing crankshaft speed - no matter what the marketeers want us to think. The key is peak torque (and horsepower just flat don't matter - besides, you're nowhere near peak efficiency at peak horsepower!)

If you've got the one rugmonkey, you drive a Suburban, and keep a cargo pod on top - yeah, you deserve to pay what you're paying in fuel prices. However, not everyone is suited to an econobox...

I'm 6'3", 245#
I haul parts and supplies regularly
I tow a few times a year
I drive in the SF Bay Area, where a certain amount of power is needed for impromptu evasive actions.

I cannot drive a Honda or an Acura - they're just too damn small. I can't haul anything in there once I get in (I either don't have the room or the leftover GVWR capacity,) and I really don't feel safe around here in anything that small (if I did, I'd have a commuter bike.) Towing? Anyone who tows more than a luchbox with a compact should have his head examined....

OTOH, by conforming with CARB's strict (and wholly unnecessary) "visual" examination, I will guarantee that I am losing fuel efficiency, and therefore increasing aggregate vehicle tailpipe emissions. If they were well and truly serious, they would do away with the visual inspection, go right for the tailpipe, and offer some sort of incentive for coming in VERY low on emissions (since low emissions are directly related to fuel efficiency - but not economy - it would be to our mutual benefit to allow me to tune my engine for peak efficiency. But I can't - the first thing I have to do is pull smog devices that harm more than they help...) Considering that under Federal law I would be allowed to modify my vehicle to increase efficiency and reduce emissions, CARB's pleas of "It's Federal Law" just don't work - and they really didn't like it when I explained it to them in public forum!

A realistic fossil fuel replacement? Perhaps fuel cells, perhaps bioDiesel, perhaps both. Still, fossil fuels can be useful and efficient - if we stop trying to legislate innovation (which has never worked!) Maybe a battery with a significantly increased ampere-hour capacity and the ability to accept a "dump" charge, while not being environmentally difficult in a roads accident? Maybe it's Douglas-Martin Screens and Shipstones?

I don't know what it is, but trying to force interim measures on people isn't going to help when we finally find something that really works!

5-90
 
5-90 said:
1) Driving the speed limit is not guaranteed to save fuel mileage - unless you are "geared" for ideal crankshaft speed at that road speed. Peak engine efficiency is found at peak torque - which makes an ideal cruising speed an engineering problem, not a legislative one. In fourth gear, I get best cruise mileage at or near 72 miles per hour - in fifth gear, at around 90. If I change my axle gearing (which I plan to do - 3.07 is silly!) I will change those speed points - and I will select gearing based upon intended use and cruiseworthiness of the overall drivetrain combination. You don't get better mileage just by reducing crankshaft speed - no matter what the marketeers want us to think. The key is peak torque (and horsepower just flat don't matter - besides, you're nowhere near peak efficiency at peak horsepower!)

Driving slower (or drafting!) will lower your wind resistance which will substantially reduce your fuel usage no matter what. Most modern passenger automobiles are well engineered right from the factory for optimum engine efficiency at legal highway speeds. Jeeps with the 4.0 and 3.07 gears are a glaring example of the opposite. My XJ runs 4.56s and 32s - I get my best average highway mpg (18) driving between 2200 and 2500 rpm.


5-90 said:
If you've got the one rugmonkey, you drive a Suburban, and keep a cargo pod on top - yeah, you deserve to pay what you're paying in fuel prices. However, not everyone is suited to an econobox...

I'm 6'3", 245#
I haul parts and supplies regularly
I tow a few times a year
I drive in the SF Bay Area, where a certain amount of power is needed for impromptu evasive actions.

I cannot drive a Honda or an Acura - they're just too damn small. I can't haul anything in there once I get in (I either don't have the room or the leftover GVWR capacity,) and I really don't feel safe around here in anything that small (if I did, I'd have a commuter bike.) Towing? Anyone who tows more than a luchbox with a compact should have his head examined....

Agreed. I'm not advocating dictating what others drive. What I am saying is be a smart consumer. You shouldn't tow a 25' Airstream with a KJ; or bop around in a V10 Excursion because you borrow your buddies pop-up camper every other hunting season. Our primary family car seats 7, gets just under 30 mpg on highway trips, and has more useable luggage capacity than a Ford Explorer. What is this miracle machine? A boring old Mercury Sable station wagon. It is a good balance for my family's use because I used my head and was honest about how we use our car.


5-90 said:
OTOH, by conforming with CARB's strict (and wholly unnecessary) "visual" examination, I will guarantee that I am losing fuel efficiency, and therefore increasing aggregate vehicle tailpipe emissions. If they were well and truly serious, they would do away with the visual inspection, go right for the tailpipe, and offer some sort of incentive for coming in VERY low on emissions (since low emissions are directly related to fuel efficiency - but not economy - it would be to our mutual benefit to allow me to tune my engine for peak efficiency. But I can't - the first thing I have to do is pull smog devices that harm more than they help...) Considering that under Federal law I would be allowed to modify my vehicle to increase efficiency and reduce emissions, CARB's pleas of "It's Federal Law" just don't work - and they really didn't like it when I explained it to them in public forum!
5-90

CA is definitely the last place one would look for a common sense approach to anything. As you have said, they will fail you for missing something on a visual inspection REGARDLESS if you are "clean" at the tailpipe or not. That makes no sense. If you are at or below acceptable sniffer limits, wouldn't that indicate that compliance was being met and no further action was required? Not in Kalifornia, no sir! Low tailpipe emissions be damned - your smog pump belt is missing YOU FAIL!

The CA smog inspection system is little more than:

A) Pandering to the emotional enviro-extremists
B) Generating revenue for the state
C) Creating jobs for hundreds of dead beat state employees
 
5-90 said:
OTOH, by conforming with CARB's strict (and wholly unnecessary) "visual" examination, I will guarantee that I am losing fuel efficiency, and therefore increasing aggregate vehicle tailpipe emissions. If they were well and truly serious, they would do away with the visual inspection, go right for the tailpipe...
5-90

I found a smog place in Grass Valley that just checks the gas cap and tailpipe emissions. There are probably shops that do the same in most towns, you just gotta find one.
 
Nice - too bad Grass Valley is a bit of a drive from here - and I get smogs about every six months now... (Four XJ's.)

I've got a regular shop that doesn't give me much grief when I can use him - but he's not a Test Only (and I think ARB's still bent about the way I talked to them back in '01, right before SCII rolled out... Too many pointed questions to which they couldn't formulate answers, and I embarrassed the Acting Director and Acting Regional Director of ARB in public. Mea maxima culpa! Kicking sacred cows is a hobby...)

I did find a way around the Dyno BS - I tell them they're converted to AWD. Spin a line until their eyes start to glaze, and you're golden.

I have to admit - I'm half tempted to get a CA Smog License while I'm going to school anyhow - not that I want to open a shop, but it helps to know the enemy's playbook...

5-90
 
I've decided to throw in the towel. $2.87 here today.

The current plan is to find a nice, tidy Subaru Brat for use as an econobox commuter / light trail use machine, and set the Jeep aside for weekend use only until all of this calms down. My gas costs are over $400/month and that's just with commuting and some light running around.

If anyone hears of a relatively rust-free second-gen ('82-'87) Brat with the manual transmission and A/C in good working order for less than the idiots on eBay seem to think theirs are worth and it's within a day's drive of L.A., let me know.
 
my 96 XJsport 4.0 5sp gets 20-23 mpg!`

I have a 1996 Xksport, it gets between 20-23 miles per gallon. I am very lucky it seems. Some of the things i equeate this to is haveing the manula tranny ( i keep the rpms way low), and that most of my driving is steady 45-60 mph. I wish i had some mircale for you guys, but nope, just steday oil changes, that crappy fuel injector cleaner that proabbaly doesnt work goies in every 3 gas tanks, and that baout it. Good luck. Next year i am definitly buying a motorcyle. An old sport bike may kill me, but at least not my pocket book. after all, poor college students like me are indestructable!
 
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