Floor Jack/Jack Stand Safety Question

Hoss in IL

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I need to buy a floor jack/jack stands. I know the XJ doesn't weigh much but I also need the jack and stands to be able to handle my truck. It's a 98 dodge 2500 w/ a diesel, I think it weighs around 5k pounds. Would a 3ton (6k pound) floor jack and stands be sufficient to work on it safely?

I know you only use the floor jack to get it in the air and then use the stands to keep it up. I was just wondering if the wieght rating on the stands needed to be higher, if they even make them rated for more wight. Craftsman has a 3 ton combo on sale.

Thanks, Hoss - Sorry if this is in the wrong forum
 
Nobody better answer this one!

He should come to Winterfest and it will be discussed around the campfire.:D
 
C'mon Hale, I don't think I can get all of the required items on my jeep by then. I know I don't have to wheel but if I drove there, I'd want to.

Hoss
 
I'd be more concerned with how wide the jack is.
I have a 3 tom jack that sucks, because it's not wide enough and tends to be tippy.
 
I'd be surprised if your CTD comes in at 5k, I'll bet it's rather more than that.

Having said that, you're probably only lifting one end or the other, but not the whole vehicle. A 3 ton jack should be able to do that. 'manche has a good point, the cheaper small jacks have practically no side to side stability. Once you get the whole end of the vehicle off the ground, they tend to go sideways and down pretty fast. I reach for the bottle jack on my 99 CTD rather than use the cheesy little floor jack I use under my XJ.
 
OK, I understand about the floor jack being on the narrow side, what about the stands? should I look for stands rated for more than 3 tons?
Thanks for the info so far, I'm a mechanical tard getting ready to bite the bullet.
Hoss
 
Hoss in IL said:
OK, I understand about the floor jack being on the narrow side, what about the stands? should I look for stands rated for more than 3 tons?
Thanks for the info so far, I'm a mechanical tard getting ready to bite the bullet.
Hoss
I've found that jackstands are stout, and are probably rated to hold way more weight than they're listed for.
3 ton jackstands are a bit short when you start working on a full sized truck or lifted jeep.
I've found that my 3 ton jackstands are just about worthless because they don't go near high enough to hit the frame of the Jeep, but they're good for the wife's Camry:gee:
 
Ditto...for me... its not the weight I look at.. its the height. Buying 5-6+ ton jackstands are well worth the extra height... I have 2 of the lil 2 ton floor jacks and they seem flimsy to me. No clue with their 3 ton though.
 
What do y'all use for jacks? My little 2.5 ton floor jack only works under the axles. It'd be nice to be able to lift on the frame when necessary.
 
My Harbor Freight 3 ton floor jack with the adjustable saddle works well under the frame rails with the saddle adjusted most of the way up. I got it on sale and I am happy with it, although my buddy claims he's seen two of them collapse under weight, so jack stands are not optional.

Although with my new LCAs I have so much axle droop that I can't lift the frame up far enough to get the wheels off the ground anymore.

My cheapo 2 ton jack stands are not cutting it anymore. I've been setting them on a set of old wheels to give them the needed height, but the Craftsman 3 ton high-lift stands are on sale this week, they go up to 21" so I will be picking up a set of those.
 
Just as a reminder to everyone...... NEVER crawl under a vehicle that is only supported by a jack. As the above poster noted, that's a good way to write an epitaph.
 
I can attest to that. A couple of years ago, I ran a call with my Volunteer Fire Dept for a guy trapped under a vehicle. He was attempting to pull the puke-goat tranny from his XJ, and had nothing but a POS 2 ton jack holding it up. He got lucky, when it fell, it "only" crushed his left femur (upper leg) and not his head.
Besides jack stands, make sure to chock the wheels on the opposite end of where you are working. If your doing tranny/drivetrain work or anything where you might be under both front and rear of the vehicle, then use jack stands at BOTH ends.
 
My Ford wieghs in at 8040 with nobody inside....tank 1/2 full.

Your Dodge is a heavy b!tch.

Get the biggest baddest jackstands you can afford...maybe a little more. Better safe then flat.

Rev
 
My XJ with a full toolbox and 1/4 tank of gas weighs 4360 lbs. I have 3 (lost one somewhere along the way) 3 ton jackstands and a crappy Craftsman 3 ton jack. I have to put the stands on a 12"x12" concrete paver square since I have a gravel driveway. Hillbilly? Yes. Does it work? Yep. I swapped the axles between my old and new XJs using that system with no problems.
 
A Dodge 2500 with the CTD weighs in around 7000 empty. Get the bigger jackstands just for the sake of safety if nothing else. Piece of mind is worth its weight in gold.
 
Since we're on the subject, do any of you guys have problems with the vehicle trying to roll or the lift trying to fall sideways when using the hi-lift? I've had it happen once where when lifting a friends YJ from the back, the jack tried to go sideways as it got higher. Just wondering...
 
Yup, frequently. Hi-Lifts are not stable jacks. The base is designed to with a flexible joint to accomodate a non flat and square surface. It's pretty easy to get ugly once you get weight off 2 tires.
 
I find it helpful to pick the heaviest vehicle you have (the driver's door jamb should have a label giving kerb weight and GVWR...) then pick stands so that each pair can hold that weight. Two pair (if you have to lift the whole thing) should therefore not be a problem.

Jack ratings should be done similarly - you're only picking up half of the vehicle at a time, but it's nice knowing you're not anywhere near the limit. The lowest I'd go on a jack in one-and-one-half times the weight I expect to pick up (heaviest axle * 1.5 - GAWR figures should be on the same label, and the front axle is typically the figure I use - unless I'm planning on picking up a loaded truck...)

Can larger stands be had? Certainly - jacks as well. While I was doing the "industrial wrench" thing, the work truck had the following:
- 8-ton hydraulic bottle jack
- 10-ton mechanical "ratchet" jack (damn thing was made in 1942. We had it X-rayed every year, and kept records of it.)
- 10-ton jackstands, three pairs
- 6-ton hydraulic "floor" jack
- 5-ton "airbag" jack

I wouldn't get anything from Harbour Freight - my usual rule is "more than my body weight? Get it somewhere else." I've had good luck with stuff from Northern Tool & Hydraulics (www.northerntool.com, I think) and there are other suppliers as well. If you want something solid, find out what shop caters to the "heavy truck" mechanics locally, and shop there (for instance, if you're in Santa Clara County I tend to recommend Specialty Truck, near Gish Road in San Jose.)

What's wrong with Harbour Freight? Most of their heavy stuff is made in China - while Chinese steel isn't too bad (most of it came from the scrap market over here,) they still haven't gotten the hang of heat treatment. The rest of the Pacific Rim is fine - but they either learned from us or from Germany. If I'm going to put more then 250# on the thing, I'll get it somewhere better - it's usually worth the difference in cost, believe me!
 
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