emissions help

Oh how I love SC.

You could move 1 hour South of Wilmington in Cherry Grove and not have to worry about any of this.

I like Cherry Grove better anyways.

Other than that, I can't help you. GL!
 
is there a cat on it right now?
do what a pre 97 would do.. o2 sensor before the cat and one after it.. then you should be good
 
No there is no cat. It has the California emissions on the stickers too. :-( how tough is it to pass in north Carolina?
 
It can be tough if you don't know someone.

CEL = Fail unless you REALLY have the hookup.
* Also true for readiness codes, so you can't just program the CEL off or disable the light.

Otherwise visual inspection is all you have to worry about.

I've passed a non-catted Evo with a before and after O2 sensor with the after-sensor on a nonfouler.

Window tinters that are also inspection stations rarely check any of the equipment, because they frequently pass illegal tint if they installed it. FWIW...
 
No tint is stock, and I just want to get it all good before I move(since I will have to do out of state inspection) I just want people advice, from people that live down there. So just what all they look for and how picky they are. Anyone on this forum do the testing? Lol
 
Nah, I meant that tint shops typically do inspections and are very lax. Still, that's a long shot and they switched a couple years ago to electronic inspection tracking, so I'd withdraw that recommendation...

They are picky as HELL. The emissions inspection computers are tied to the state and owned by the state. They hook it up to OBDII, and that's it. It's all electronically done, no more stickers, and it gets sent directly to DMV (and thus enforcement). They can't just pass it.

If it's not inspected, it can't get a license plate. And if it fails, you turn the plate in.

It's very, very strict. Put a high flow cat on it and make sure you have no CEL. This type of crap is why I bought a 94.
 
Wow that's crazy, ok so my best bet is to find an 01 motor and try to resale my 97 motor. I Wish I knew the move was coming before I bought it, Or at least thought more into emissions when I bought it. :-/ I was a little worried it would be really tough to pass. Good thing I have till the end of fall to make it all happen :-) . Anything else I should know before the move down, as far as vehicles go?
 
I dont think you need to get rid of the motor the best thing you can do is eliminate the cel. Now you have to do this the proper way so the computer still doesnt read the cel.

Now i am not an inspector in NC but I have found tons of ways to get around the tight inspections, there are loopholes. The first thing you should find out is do you still have the 01 ECU and wire harness?
 
when i lived in durham there was a precision tunes off of 54 that stuck the reader in a car next to my jeep and used its reading.. best $50 spent..
 
I dont think you need to get rid of the motor the best thing you can do is eliminate the cel. Now you have to do this the proper way so the computer still doesnt read the cel.

Now i am not an inspector in NC but I have found tons of ways to get around the tight inspections, there are loopholes. The first thing you should find out is do you still have the 01 ECU and wire harness?

Shouldn't matter if it's 01-97 whatever as long as it doesn't trip a light or hold onto a readiness code.

when i lived in durham there was a precision tunes off of 54 that stuck the reader in a car next to my jeep and used its reading.. best $50 spent..

Yeah this would work but you definitely cannot count on this being an option everywhere. Or for everyone. Not to mention that now that it's all OBDII, all electronic... is the vehicle info not hard-coded into the ECU? I ask because I do not know but would like to find out.

Wow that's crazy, ok so my best bet is to find an 01 motor and try to resale my 97 motor. I Wish I knew the move was coming before I bought it, Or at least thought more into emissions when I bought it. :-/ I was a little worried it would be really tough to pass. Good thing I have till the end of fall to make it all happen :-) . Anything else I should know before the move down, as far as vehicles go?

Yeah, shouldn't matter about the year as long as you don't have a CEL/ not-ready-code. Also, mini-cats do not matter, because they aren't that strict. If it has a cat on it, that will pretty much pass visual in NC. The problem is the CEL or straight pipe (not so much). Test pipes pass all the time with a non-fouler setup to get the second o2 out of the exhaust stream.
 
Shouldn't matter if it's 01-97 whatever as long as it doesn't trip a light or hold onto a readiness code.



Yeah this would work but you definitely cannot count on this being an option everywhere. Or for everyone. Not to mention that now that it's all OBDII, all electronic... is the vehicle info not hard-coded into the ECU? I ask because I do not know but would like to find out.



Yeah, shouldn't matter about the year as long as you don't have a CEL/ not-ready-code. Also, mini-cats do not matter, because they aren't that strict. If it has a cat on it, that will pretty much pass visual in NC. The problem is the CEL or straight pipe (not so much). Test pipes pass all the time with a non-fouler setup to get the second o2 out of the exhaust stream.

Well what I was getting at is if it has the 01 wire harness and ECU and it is missing those 4 O2 sensors then its a matter of setting up the exhaust so he can get a reading from those O2 sensors to the ECU rather then getting a whole new engine.
 
Well what I was getting at is if it has the 01 wire harness and ECU and it is missing those 4 O2 sensors then its a matter of setting up the exhaust so he can get a reading from those O2 sensors to the ECU rather then getting a whole new engine.

Yeah I knew what you meant, and agree. I didn't mean for it to sound like I was disagreeing with you, just trying to reinforce the point.

If he were going to sell something, I'd say sell the Jeep and get an OBD1, then devil-may-care!!! :pirate1:
 
this is true obd2 can be a pain but it does help with diagnostics way better then obd1 so you win some and loose some. lol I dont know how many times I wanted to drive my jeep off a cliff and watch it burn because of emissions. But then again I love it for its reliability, its never left me stranded.
 
dont some areas have a minimum repair bill, pass clause?.We dont have to deal with any of that here. thank goodness.

But what I mean is.. If you attempt to pass your emiss. test and have spent say 250 bucks they pass you anyway..Until the following year . Is this true or b.s..

I dont know.just asking.sounds ignorant if this is the case , but we are dealing with government agencies.
 
dont some areas have a minimum repair bill, pass clause?.We dont have to deal with any of that here. thank goodness.

But what I mean is.. If you attempt to pass your emiss. test and have spent say 250 bucks they pass you anyway..Until the following year . Is this true or b.s..

I dont know.just asking.sounds ignorant if this is the case , but we are dealing with government agencies.
 
§ 20‑183.5. When a vehicle that fails an emissions inspection may obtain a waiver from the inspection requirement.
(a) Requirements. – The Division may issue a waiver for a vehicle, excluding a vehicle owned or being held for retail sale by a motor vehicle dealer, that meets all of the following requirements:
(1) Fails an emissions inspection because it passes the visual inspection but fails the analysis of data provided by the on‑board diagnostic (OBD) equipment.
(2) Has documented repairs costing at least the waiver amount made to the vehicle to correct the cause of the failure. The waiver amount is two hundred dollars ($200.00).
(3) Is reinspected and again fails the inspection because it passes the visual inspection but fails the analysis of data provided by the on‑board diagnostic (OBD) equipment.
(4) Meets any other waiver criteria required by 40 C.F.R. § 51.360, or as designated by the Division.
(b) Procedure. – To obtain a waiver, a person must contact a local enforcement office of the Division. Before issuing a waiver, an employee of the Division must review the inspection receipts issued for the inspections of the vehicle, review the documents establishing what repairs were made to the vehicle and at what cost, review any statement denying warranty coverage of the repairs made, and do a visual inspection of the vehicle, if appropriate, to determine if the documented repairs were made. The Division must issue a waiver if it determines that the vehicle qualifies for a waiver. A person to whom a waiver is issued must present the waiver to the self‑inspector or inspection station performing the inspection to obtain an electronic inspection authorization.
(c) Repairs. – The following repairs and their costs cannot be considered in determining whether the cost of repairs made to a vehicle equals or exceeds the waiver amount:
(1) Repairs covered by a warranty that applies to the vehicle.
(2) Repairs needed as a result of tampering with an emission control device of the vehicle.
(3) Repairs made by an individual who is not professionally engaged in the business of repairing vehicles.
(4) OBD diagnostics without corresponding repairs.
(d) Electronic Inspection Authorization. – An electronic inspection authorization issued to a vehicle after the vehicle receives a waiver from the requirement of passing the emissions inspection expires at the same time it would if the vehicle had passed the emissions inspection. (1965, c. 734, s. 1; 1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 754, s. 1; 2000‑134, ss. 16, 17; 2007‑503, s. 7.)
 
So at a quick glance, 1 & 3 will be a problem, because it won't pass visual.

Then c2 becomes an issue. And c4 will easily be $60 minimum at every inspection station that I've visited.

So assuming you can find someone to sign off on 1 & 3, and c2, you're looking at $200-$260 or more, that has to be done every year IIRC.

I'd rather go with the aftermarket HFC and o2 non-fouler setup if it will work.
 
That for that info James I will compare that to Ohio emissions tests, if I can pass here then I should be good there.

And j308 that would be great if that would work, I will have to post that idea on the tech section thread that I have going and see if anyone knows if that would work! Thanks for the idea.
 
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