Economic stimulus naysaysers!

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US dollar rallied up strongly today, along with US stock markets reaching new 52 week highs. Dollar up a good 3% from recent lows.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=s

S&P 500 (and others) index has made new 52 week highs three days in a row now:

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=CME_INX&v=w


Official US Unemployment dropped from 10.2 to 10%. Christmas rally is under way.

Oil was down nearly 2% at one point today, gold dropped $75 last 2-3 days, oil is down about $7-$8 from recent highs.


http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYMEX_CL.F10.E&v=d1&w=1&t=l&a=50

Time for everyone to stop their belly aching, and go buy Christmas presents to stimulate the economy!:cheers:

I still have no job, you buy my christmas presents. I've been looking for 3 months now, not only do I not have a job, I haven't even had a call back.

Just wait until you see the 4th quarter auto sales now that the auto stimulus is done...
 
Thanks Jeff, that makes me feel better.

Companies are still tightening the belts, the don't trust the market nor do they trust the Obama Administration. My 401k contribution match was frozen today and all non-commissioned employees will have their salaries cut 2-7%. Glad I'm base+commission compensated, but I live in a state with 6.5% unemployment, not 10-15%.

Time to earn the Nobel, President Obama. Stop acting like a campaining community organizer and actually do something besides spend money my unborn grandkids haven't even earned yet and further increase our debt.

News flash here...... if things continue without some dramatic changes to the current course, Obama's policies will "fundamentally transform the United States of America" into the 1980's.......how's that for Hope and Change!
 
....join the military....never been a better time.
 
Sorry to hear the bad job news. Goodburbon, where are you living now? Didn't you move to Colorado recently for a new job? I thought you were working offshore last we talked. I read a report this week that said auto sales were actually up, and holding up even after CFC ended, so the auto sales are holding up, which is unexpected good news.

Jes, might be time to pack and move. Jobs seem to be holding up better here in Texas. My daughter just got her second job at a new small business that just opened here. Both part time, but she is 3/4 time in college. I will admit she spent time looking, and said there were no jobs for several weeks and her first job had cut back hours to keep from laying any one off, but she is 19 and found a good job in just 3-4 weeks here, and our unemployment is one of the lowest in the nation right now. I think the only reason ours went up at all is all the people moving here for better job prospects. Just a guess on my part, I have not looked for real stats, but it makes sense.

XJ, the good news is the companies are making profits again. If they were still losing huge amounts of money, you could forget any chances of a turn around in employment any time soon. No one hires when they are losing money, they lay off more people or close. I think the belt tightening is ending and job losses have slowed to near the break even point, so we should start to see increases in employment next year (my opinion, not the governments, they are saying more job losses may be coming). But if they pass a jobs bill to encourage hiring shortly, we may see a turn around in jobs next year. I read the other day a survey where those with jobs reported they were planing to shop for Christmas on line this year as they were too busy at work to take time to shop at mall stores, which is a sign they can't lay off any more, but need to hire now.

XJ, my hats off to you on helping others with little hope have a Christmas! All of us with jobs should think of taking an extra effort on that front this year.

Ehall, are you saying I am the only one using cherry picked stats? LOL.:laugh:

Hope you all at least had a nice T-Day last week. I did, we got an 18 lb turkey for under $5 at Kroger!

Winterbeater, are you offering us the loans to buy those new cars? LOL.
 
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The offshore project ended. I have actually returned to Louisiana to work because funds were getting tight. I'm still technically employed but I need a job that isn't 1100 miles from my new home, hence my search that began back in July. It's actually been more than 3 months, but I didn't begin searching full time until the last few weeks of my offshore project.

The Company I worked for most of the summer has announced that they are selling ALL of their offshore and foriegn assets. In an odd move industry wise they are maintaining a business as usual approach as they try to sell. Most companies stop all work, and only perform minimal maintenance. Devon is continuing with new projects and are actually being decent to whomever the next company that buys up this Iron that I grew up on. (some of it is so old it's riveted girder construction, and some is Cement installed in 1948)

I will admit that things are somehow not as bad as I had imagined that they could be by now, but it seems to be like lingering in purgatory. Nothing is crashing down horribly, but nothing is getting better except the stock market.
 
An 1100 mile daily commute would really suck, no doubt about it.

One area that looks to be growing hard and hiring for some time is alternative energy. I must have read about 20 or more 1/2 billion dollar DOE grant projects aproved in the last few weeks, one near Odessa, for a coal to syngas power plant (Southern energy, stock symbol SO), and another huge farm waste to biomass power plant is south Texas (also SO, Southern Energy), and 1.5 billion dollar wind farm in Texas all just approved with stimulus money in the last 3 weeks or so. Point being, you might want to start looking at construction in the new alternative energy Power plant-utility grid work area. The wind power industry is growing like gangbusters now, at least based on new orders, and past growth.

Good luck!
 
An 1100 mile daily commute would really suck, no doubt about it.

One area that looks to be growing hard and hiring for some time is alternative energy. I must have read about 20 or more 1/2 billion dollar DOE grant projects aproved in the last few weeks, one near Odessa, for a coal to syngas power plant (Southern energy, stock symbol SO), and another huge farm waste to biomass power plant is south Texas (also SO, Southern Energy), and 1.5 billion dollar wind farm in Texas all just approved with stimulus money in the last 3 weeks or so. Point being, you might want to start looking at construction in the new alternative energy Power plant-utility grid work area. The wind power industry is growing like gangbusters now, at least based on new orders, and past growth.

Good luck!

Question: Has a profitable model been created for all of these projects or are they simply government subsidized boondoggles that will require perpetual tax-dollar input to maintian?
 
Question: Has a profitable model been created for all of these projects or are they simply government subsidized boondoggles that will require perpetual tax-dollar input to maintian?

None of them will get additional government support. So they will need to survive on their own. I look at most of them this way. Usually the government subsidizes projects of this sort with tax credits (when and if they help at all), this time around they are funding with matching capital grants up front that require new investment, and matching (50% or more) capital construction funding by the lead company, and 100% operating funding by the company(s) or industry consortium. Makes it easier for companies to take the risk on riskier new ventures in the middle of a depression/recession, where they would not otherwise take the risk of investing due to poor economic conditions.

They will act as profitable models for others to follow.

One of them will get farm subsidies (tax credits, cash, I don't know, but I do know it is a subsidy, and it is the biomass power plant in south Texas) early on to encourage farmers to supply the waste biomass on one of those projects. Will the farm subsidies later get renewed, who knows, but it is there for a long enough period to encourage farmers to collect and ship fiber waste bulk to the power plant so that the power plant builder can be assured a source of biomass in the start up phase, otherwise they might not risk building it. Once it is built there will be a supply demand market.

I do get your point, but keep in mind that the railroads that helped build this country into a great nation were also initially subsidized with federal dollars, and latter become a source of tax revenue to the federal government.:D
 
So, TARP is now going to be "Stimulis II" ?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/08/obama-takes-joblessness/


Where did the TARP money come from intially? Shouldn't it be payed back?
Anyone else offended by the fact that Obama will not allow banks to pay back the money that he forced them to take?

Seems like…..extortion?:gonnablow

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html


They've done such a great job in pooping the bed on their so-called economy jump-start plans thus far........

"I didn't run for President to pass emergency recovery programs, or to bail out banks or to shore up auto companies," he said Saturday during his weekly radio address.

Then why not just let Capitolism work?




 
The legality of this needs to be questioned.........those in power need to be held accountable on this, because it's a shell-game.

Obama likes both sides of an argument

Fact check » Sometimes reality poses a different view.
The Associated Press

Updated: 12/08/2009 05:50:14 PM MST




In President Barack Obama's hands, the $700 billion financial rescue fund offers a bit of bookkeeping magic: an opportunity to pay down the deficit while also spending more -- thereby adding to it.
Under law, any paybacks to the bailout known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program must be used to reduce the deficit. But in an economic speech on Tuesday, the president sought to have it both ways. Increased repayments from banks to the Treasury will reduce the deficit all right, but it will give Congress the budgetary room to spend more -- and the president encouraged just that.

It wasn't the president's only attempt at having his cake and eating it, too, in his speech:

OBAMA » "We were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that led to the crisis, decided to hand it over to others to solve," he said, describing his administration's infusions of money to banks and the auto industry.
Later, however, he conceded that the TARP program was "launched hastily under the last administration," and argued the policy was flawed.

THE FACTS » Obama's partisan swipe glosses over some of the circumstances before he took office. First, he and his fellow Democrats presided over some of the decision-making that led up to the crisis, because they controlled Congress for two years before Obama became president. Obama's

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner also had a hand, as chief of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York under the Bush administration.

Moreover, the $700 bailout fund was initiated under the Bush administration by then Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. It was endorsed at the time by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and by Geithner. As Illinois senator during the presidential campaign, Obama backed that package.
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OBAMA ON TUESDAY » "Even as we have had to spend our way out of this recession in the near term, we have begun to make the hard choices necessary to get our country on a more stable fiscal footing in the long run."

OBAMA, LAST WEEK »"We are under no illusion that somehow the federal government can spend its way out of this recession, but it is absolutely true that any of the ideas that have been mentioned here are still going to require some public dollars and those are actually good investments to make right now."
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OBAMA » "We cannot continue to accept an education system in which our students trail their peers in other countries."

THE FACTS » The long-held perception that U.S. pupils lag those in other countries has been based on misleading comparisons, and is getting outdated in any event. Developed Asian countries do tend to be ahead, but the U.S. has been gaining for many years, making bigger strides on international tests than Singapore and Japan in math, and more progress than Japan in science. The U.S. is highly competitive with Europe, including Britain, Russia and Germany. Global assessments do not account for the fact that U.S. is growing ever more diverse, with a large share of children who are learning English.
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OBAMA » "We've made college more affordable."

THE FACTS » He's piloted short-term relief but nothing to restrain college costs for students over the long term. Pell Grants for low-income students received a one-year boost of 13 percent, more than the growth of tuitions. As well, Obama's stimulus law gives college tax credits to more parents and students over the next two years.
Over the next decade, however, his proposals, if accepted by Congress, would increase Pell Grants by an average of about 2.6 percent yearly. That's actually slower growth for Pell Grants than in the past and it would not keep up with tuition increases, which have averaged 7 percent annually since the grants began. Moreover, Obama's proposed changes in student lending are designed to save the government money, not students with loans. Some of the envisioned savings would go to other areas of education, not college.
 
Another downward revision of Q3 GDP, now from 3.5% to 2.2%

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/12/22/economists-react-gdp-revision-surprisingly-large/

GDP is a measure of wealth flow and roughly calculated as consumer spending + business spending + government spending. If most of the 2.2% growth was one-time booster spending from things like cash-for-clunkers and the "stimulus" wealth transfer program, then there was no actual increase in GDP at all since it was all from one-time transfers
 
Yes, I was reading the other day about another problem with GDP which has to do with how much of the GDP is made, built overseas. Seems a car assembled here out of overseas parts is treated as if it was all made here and they have no way track the components of GDP in the car.

Another downward revision of Q3 GDP, now from 3.5% to 2.2%

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/12/22/economists-react-gdp-revision-surprisingly-large/

GDP is a measure of wealth flow and roughly calculated as consumer spending + business spending + government spending. If most of the 2.2% growth was one-time booster spending from things like cash-for-clunkers and the "stimulus" wealth transfer program, then there was no actual increase in GDP at all since it was all from one-time transfers
 
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