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doorless in VA

wishihad1

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hey everybody

well the california thread got me thinking. ive gotten into quite a bit of trouble with the jeep over the past year, and really want to lay off the tickets. i know i already draw plenty of attention as it is (red cherokee, 6 in, 35s...blah) so i want to make sure if i do get pulled over when im doorless everything i NEED is there. i know ill need mirrors, which i can pick up at autozone..but what else??:cheers:
 
I think your best bet, even though it might not be what you want to hear, or don't think I'm being a search Nazi, but try googling VA automotive laws. I have searched myself a couple times myself for MA laws. I say this because anyone can give you the wrong information that they think is the law on here, but if you read someone on a State website, then you know its the right info and you can't go wrong.
 
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It's not illegial in VA to run doorless, but if you are trying to lay low and avoid tickets, it's probably best to keep the doors on when you're on road. You'd need mirrors obviously but as far as anything else goes, I've only heard rumors of a bar at least 4" off of the floor to keep crap from coming out. Its sort of a grey area in VA laws, so if the cop feels its unsafe, he can ticket you....and if not for your doors, for something else.
 
yea..thats kind of what i was seeing when looking through virginia codes

they have one a code for any motor vehicle modifications not listed...so i could see them trying to hit me with that. im definately going to get mirrors, and see what happens
 
there have been a few people ticked in this area for running doorless (and had side mirrors). the reasoning behind it was that wranglers have factory removable doors whereas xj's do not. i'm not saying i agree with it, just that that's what happened.
 
This is what you're looking for....came from the state police web page. Dig through it, but there's nothing in there about going doorless or modifying your doors. If I'm wrong, let us know. I usually carry a copy in my Jeep and it's gotten me out of a few tickets, but I imagine that with the wrong cop, it'd just piss him off more. I was pulled over and inspected for lift height and he said my bumpers weren't low enough and I pulled this out and got out of the ticket. But like I said, depends on the cop I bet.

http://leg1.state.va.us/000/reg/TOC19030.HTM#C0070

Here is all they say about doors....so tube doors are ok, but like I said, doorless is a grey area...

Inspect for and reject if:

1. If each door located at the left and right side of the driver's seat is not equipped with an opening device similar to that installed by vehicle manufacturers that will permit the opening of the door from the outside and inside of the vehicle.

NOTE: A door opening device on customized vehicles may be converted to either a remote, push button or other similar opening switch.

2. If each door located to the left and right side of the driver's seat is not equipped with a latching system similar to that installed by vehicle manufacturers which will hold the door in its proper closed position.


For guys pulled over in question of the bumper height...pulled directly from the first page of the state police web site...

What are the bumper height laws in the state of Virginia?
Section 46.2-1063 states:

Alteration of suspension system; bumper height limits; raising body above frame rail. -- No person shall drive on a public highway any motor vehicle registered as a passenger motor vehicle if it has been modified by alteration of its altitude from the ground to the extent that its bumpers, measured to any point on the lower edge of the main horizontal bumper bar, exclusive of any bumper guards, are not within the range of fourteen inches to twenty-two inches above the ground. Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section, the range of bumper heights for motor vehicles bearing street rod license plates issued pursuant to § 46.2-747 shall be nine to twenty-two inches.

No vehicle shall be modified to cause the vehicle body or chassis to come in contact with the ground, expose the fuel tank to damage from collision, or cause the wheels to come in contact with the body under normal operation. No part of the original suspension system of a motor vehicle shall be disconnected to defeat the safe operation of its suspension system. However, nothing contained in this section shall prevent the installation of heavy duty equipment, including shock absorbers and overload springs. Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit the driving on a public highway of a motor vehicle with normal wear to the suspension system if such normal wear does not adversely affect the control of the vehicle.

No person shall drive on a public highway any motor vehicle registered as a truck if it has been modified by alteration of its altitude from the ground to the extent that its bumpers, measured to any point on the lower edge of the main horizontal bumper bar, exclusive of any bumper guards, do not fall within the limits specified herein for its gross vehicle weight rating category. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 4,500 pounds or less shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 28 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 28 inches. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 4,501 pounds to 7,500 pounds shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 29 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 30 inches. The front bumper height of trucks whose gross vehicle weight ratings are 7,501 pounds to 15,000 pounds shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 30 inches, and their rear bumper height shall be no less than 14 inches and no more than 31 inches. Bumper height limitations contained in this section shall not apply to trucks with gross vehicle weight ratings in excess of 15,000 pounds. For the purpose of this section, "truck" includes pickup and panel trucks, and "gross vehicle weight ratings" means manufacturer's gross vehicle weight ratings established for that vehicle as indicated by a number, plate, sticker, decal, or other device affixed to the vehicle by its manufacturer.

In the absence of bumpers, and in cases where bumper heights have been lowered, height measurements under the foregoing provisions of this section shall be made to the bottom of the frame rail. However, if bumper heights have been raised, height measurements under the foregoing provisions of this section shall be made to the bottom of the main horizontal bumper bar.

No vehicle shall be operated on a public highway if it has been modified by any means so as to raise its body more than three inches, in addition to any manufacturer's spacers and bushings, above the vehicle's frame rail or manufacturer's attachment points on the frame rail.

This section shall not apply to specially designed or modified motor vehicles when driven off the public highways in races and similar events. Such motor vehicles may be lawfully towed on the highways of the Commonwealth.


http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS408698.HTM

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1063
 
ALso in Va..... check your registration. For some ungodly reason this state likes to classify XJ's as "station wagons". Both of my XJ's had it on the registration. That will limit your lift to 22" IIRC.


Do yourself a favor and check your registration... If it says station wagon get it changed!!!!!!!!
 
Yeah, it's pretty easy to get it changed as well. Just find the blond at the DMV and tell her that your xj is a JEEP + SUV + Truck = 4500+ GVW. I did it and now I'm not limited to that gay station wagon thing either. And when they go to renew your registration, it'll stay with whatever was on the previous card, so you won't ever have to worry about the 4500lb thing again.
 
53guy said:
so tube doors are ok, but like I said, doorless is a grey area...

You know, I got to wondering about what they define a "door" as after reading this thread.

What about an assembly of tubing that is simply the outline of a door? mount two hinges, handle/lock cylinder, latch, and mirror, and you'd be good to go.

Judging by your example, a "door" doesn't have to actually enclose anything, it just has to be attached to the vehicle and latch into a "closed" position.

Rob
 
when the cop pulled me over, he looked inside the door and found that i was just over that 4700 limit or whatever it is. So technically i was really close according to him, but certainly over 22"
 
what do you mean he looked inside your door and found you were just above the 4700 limit..is that like a weight limit??and if so how he measure that on the side of the road..lol
 
It's on your vehicle registration card that you are supposed to keep in your vehicle. They are supposed to go off of that card and not what's stamped on the vehicle.
 
I really don't know to be honest. But I know that I got it changed. I think an xj rings in at about 3800gvw anyways, but my registration is 4500+gvw.
 
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