Death sentences....

5-90 said:
You're welcome. I've long learned that opinions are only common to all in the fact that we all have them - although they all differ.

However, I am still interested in hearing what you propose as a cure to the ills of society. Have you been able to give this some serious thought lately, or are you still in the "spouting-off" stage, and just haven't gotten there yet. Opinions are interesting, but if you're looking for a solution, I'd like to hear what you propose...

5-90

This is something I rarely think about. With being out of school for the moment and having two jobs, I personally have better things to do, no offence to anyone.

A solution? I don't have a solution to my opinion regarding the death penalty, at least I don't have on that would make any sense or that's possible. I feel there is so much wrong with our government, not that I don't think we have an okay system compared to some countries. My main concern, I suppose, would be to just try and eliminate as much crime as we can so we don't have to resort to the death penalty, ever. Of course that's not plausible in our society.

Why can't we be like Canada? They have such a low crime rate... lol.

I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but like I said, I don't give this much thought as of late.
 
DirtyJeepChick said:
Damn...read thru all this see little Jeeper Girl saying she's done but keeps coming back...threaten but never following thru...Ohh Wait that is what is wrong with a great deal of socieity these days you threathen but dont' follow thru with the action.

Now if you can't offer a solution and follow thru please go play in the kiddie pool around back.
Well, fortunately, 5-90 is nice enough to "debate" to some extent without being a dickweed. Do you have a solution, I may ask?

Who are you anyway?

EDIT: Wow, your profile is great. I can't wait to see you get attacked. *cough*
 
Nope not here to debate just here to point out that you don't like disipline or punishment but you sure do like coming back to this thread to get your ass spanked.

Does it matter who I am?...Do you really know who you are yourself?
 
DirtyJeepChick said:
Nope not here to debate just here to point out that you don't like disipline or punishment but you sure do like coming back to this thread to get your ass spanked.

Does it matter who I am?...Do you really know who you are yourself?

If I wanted to get my ass spanked, I would have made my username DirtyJeepChick.
 
red91inWA said:
if this is pointed at me, and I cannot disern that yet....

If you have an opinion and cannot back it up....don't give it. If you want to make a point and then tuck tail...dont.
Sorta what I was getting at. Often someone's defence or back up to their reasons don't make sence to us. So is that enough? Or does their backup have to make sence to us? Often it won't and I think you have to accept that and work with it if you want to help the other person expand and better justify their opinions. Tucking tail is fine if you learn something.
 
XJ Jeepin Girl said:
If I wanted to get my ass spanked, I would have made my username DirtyJeepChick.

Dammit, just spit coffee all over BOTH monitors....:shocked:
 
Weasel said:
Sorta what I was getting at. Often someone's defence or back up to their reasons don't make sence to us. So is that enough? Or does their backup have to make sence to us? Often it won't and I think you have to accept that and work with it if you want to help the other person expand and better justify their opinions. Tucking tail is fine if you learn something.

ok...lets clairfy for a bit.....she metions that punishment is NOT a deterant.

But in reality it is....if you have the attitude of a pacifist, please come out and say it. Stating hat we need to be "better" than we are now is a vague and inconclusive inuendo at best. Detail the reasons why you feel that way.

There was no conclusive support to any of her points which brings us back around to the public shcool system INDOCTRINATING kids these days.

It is painfully obvious that she doesn't know the reason behind her stance, just that it feels good and thats what counts.

Should we have placated Hilter and said "well..we shouldn't fight such a henious person? Afterall he did, for a fact, kill one out of every 3 JEWS onthe planet during his time.

What should we have done if not battled him?

Is it MORAL that we should let dicators who...

1. Kill their own people...
2. Starve them to death to meet there objectives?

Should we have let Pol Pot contiune?

Or should Stalin have had the right to kills hundreds of thousnads of Russian citizens?

Be honest. She has no idea where she stands. It;'s not that I disagree, I saimply ask for concrete ideas, other than just standing idley by and watching the world go by while millions of innocent people are being killed.

But therin lies another problem...the "better them than me" mentaility. It is abhortent that people can think like this.

Being a pacifist is a choice...but in the end she cannot come out and say yes I would defend myself to the death, becuase a pacifist believes ALL violence is wrong.

You cannot come out and say I think things are wrong with our government, without stating what you fell is wrong and what the problems really are. Canada is better? State your case as to why...

Throwing things out without being able to back them up is what our kids are learning...Maybe we should change our national anthem to "up with people".

Answer these questions little girl....and be SPECIFIC...

1. What should we have done with Adolf Hilter?

2. What should we do with the geoncide being perpatrated by Kim Jong Il in North Korea?

3. What should have been done with Pol Pot,or Mau Se Tung?

4. How about Sadam Hussien killing hundreds of thousands of people?

5. Should we let Hezbollah exist?

6. Should Ted Bundy, and John Wayne Gacey been allowed to live? How about Wesley Dodd?

I'm going to go out on a limb, but I would bet Jeeper Girl also believes in the Right to Choose. Yes or No?

If she is going to make a stance it needs to be specific. Not vauge, feel good hyperboli.

She has NOT been specific, which is all that has been asked of her.

Therfore I repeat...If you are going to have a stance...be clear, and concise.

She constantly said I'm done yet keeps coming back.

The need for attention is getting old and busted.

Prove that she hasen't been indoctrinated, becuase you damn well know that is the same kind of "I hate America" shit that comes from most teachers under the age of 60. Thank you NEA for your agenda...It has obviously paid off in spades.

:D
 
Your numbers are off on adolph vs uncle joe, adolph was a piker compared to uncle joe when it came to knocking off people, the number that most agree on is around 22 MILLION for uncle joe...some think it was closer to 40 MILLION...and he didn't care who you were, jewish, protestant, catholic, hindu, muslim, agnostic....
 
True - and I think Hitler was also responsible for wiping out about half AGAIN as many Christians as Jews - so let's bring his body count up to full scratch as well.

Rich is also correct that Stalin just didn't care - that's where the word "pogrom" comes from. Stalin's killings were political purges, and it didn't matter to him what your beliefs were, if they didn't line up with his, you were GONE.

5-90
 
Good point....I was not in a position to get Uncle Joes #'s...anyway the numbers are just as unacceptable as any of the people that I've listed.

I just find it abhorent to think that by being a pacifist the threat will go away.

I'm sure, for a fact, that is why Hitler disarmed all of the populace. It made the wholesale slaughter so much easier.

According to her philosophy all forms of punishment are bad, and in saying that it emplies that not doing anything, is better than doing something.

Even against the most tyranical, homicidal maniacs our world has ever know.

I just find it PAINFUL to believe that our society is so eaisly misled.
 
RichP said:
Your numbers are off on adolph vs uncle joe, adolph was a piker compared to uncle joe when it came to knocking off people, the number that most agree on is around 22 MILLION for uncle joe...some think it was closer to 40 MILLION...and he didn't care who you were, jewish, protestant, catholic, hindu, muslim, agnostic....

Thanks for another interesting thread my man. It has been....enlightening.:D
 
red91inWA said:
Good point....I was not in a position to get Uncle Joes #'s...anyway the numbers are just as unacceptable as any of the people that I've listed.

I just find it abhorent to think that by being a pacifist the threat will go away.

I'm sure, for a fact, that is why Hitler disarmed all of the populace. It made the wholesale slaughter so much easier.

According to her philosophy all forms of punishment are bad, and in saying that it emplies that not doing anything, is better than doing something.

Even against the most tyranical, homicidal maniacs our world has ever know.

I just find it PAINFUL to believe that our society is so eaisly misled.

"Those who appease the tiger do so in the hopes that the tiger will eat them last."

Sorry gang, but I've been a fighter entirely too long to try appeasement. If someone wants me, they're not going to get me for free (refer to November - I was dead for about 20 seconds, and the car that hit me - not my truck, me - was written off as a "total loss." That, my dear friends, is what I'm mainly about. You don't get a piece of me for free...)

As a society, we are easily mislead because "critical thinking" is no longer taught in schools. I had the dubious honour of tutoring a neighbour for his California High School Exit Examination (CAHSEE), maths section. He informed me that he learned more from six weeks, three times a week, with me than he did in three damn YEARS of high school maths - mainly, because I was trying to teach him to think, rather than just parrot answers to me.

It must have worked - I also got to watch him get his diploma last month...

It's a pity that, if schools aren't going whole hawg into "Outcome-Based Education" (look that one up - I doubt most of us here would pass that course...) then they're "teaching to the test," which is nearly as bad. Couple that with all the "safety" crap we're foisting upon our kits in the last 10-15 years, and is it any wonder we're not seeing any new risk-takers to replace us when we're gone? Kids are losing the ability to evaluate factors, think independently, and assess and justify great personal risks, and I think we're going to suffer for it (if we're not already...)

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