Cash For Clunkers

What a bunch of B/S that is. All they want is for you to get rid of a good car/jeep/ whatever you drive and then Have a great big Payment every month.

To the guy that is thinking about doing that for his MJ. I cant even say it.
 
And here I am, actively looking for a pre-1974 J-truck or W-truck, so I don't have to deal with the Smog Nazis and I can tune the engine to run properly and efficiently.

As an automotive hobbyist, I was outraged when I first heard about this, and I'm even more outraged now. Yeah, let's just take all of these cars and send them to the crusher.

Benefits? Let's see:
- Getting a high car payment every month.
- Shelling out taxpayer dollars for something of dubious public utility. (Just wait until this bill comes due! Borrowing from the future is never cheap...)
- Getting higher insurnace premiums - not only from having a newer vehicle, but from the necessity of "full coverage" due to the lien against it (not to mention the "Gap coverage" - since the loan amortisation ends up with you being "upside down" on the loan for the first two-thirds of the period.)
- Higher costs of maintenance. Parts cost more.

Oh yeah - you can get better fuel economy out of the deal. I don't think that's going to offset the TCO increase for the reasons given above...

Nah - I'll keep my twenty-year-old Jeep, particularly since no-one makes a suitable replacement for my needs. And, you're not going to get it without a fight from me - it's a versatile all-rounder that is cheap to maintain, cheap to repair, cheap to insure, and damned well should be cheap to register, if CA weren't getting greedy because they've misspent money for so many years... Back home, I'd be down to $25/year on tags. And, registering it as a truck instead of a car would drop insurance and not have me subject to the seat belt law while driving it (whereas in CA, not wearing a seat belt is a "primary offense" - you can get pulled over just for not wearing your seat belt, even if you're not actually doing anything else that is malum prohibitum. Wondermus.)

- I do not want to pick up a car payment.
- I really don't want a car payment for anything that is unsuitable for my needs.
- I do not want to deal with the Air Police any more than I absolutely have to - and even that is too much.
- I do not want to fork over any more to insurance than I absolutely have to - ergo, no new truck.
- You know, keeping my twenty-year-old Jeep on the road actually reduces my "carbon footprint" - since I use reman hard parts to keep it going, I've had a smaller carbon footprint for the last then years than I would have if I'd bought a new truck.

- And, frankly, I really don't care about propping up execs who have been misspending their revenues and not saving for a rainy day. Every time I hear about executive compensation, the question of, "Just how much money does a person need?" goes through my mind. If I think Congresscritters get paid too much, you can imagine what I think of what execs get paid (I often want to tell Congresscritters, "Just do what you're told, you're not being paid to think. If you were paid to think, you'd be paid a lot less.")

Every time I've listened to anything on the news from pols in the last fifteen years, they've told us that we need to "tighten our belts." I guess it never applied to them - they never tightened their belts, and now they want us to bail them out. I don't buy it. "Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."

Proposition for a Constitutional Amendment - Federal budget outlays can never exceed expected revenues. Pay of elected officials would be the first thing to be cut, then assorted programmes that do not do anything for direct public benefit (like the National Endowment for the Arts.) Government manning, if necessary, shall be reduced to make up for additional shortfall. (Hey, it's what companies do!) This means civil service manning goes first, operations and military are not.

Yah, if this means that Congress and Senate don't get paid anything, so be it.

Oh - and put Congresscritters on Social Security and Medicare, and eliminate their retirement programme. And, let's go ahead and make it so you can't retire from elected service - if you're in office that long, you're doing something wrong (and usually doing to us. Ted Kennedy, are you listening?) That should get those programmes fixed in a hurry.

Eliminate the Internal Revenue Code (26CFR) and replace the Federal Income Tax with a National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) of not more than ten percent (preferably 5-7%.) No, it's not "revenue neutral" - they're just going to have to start cutting useless programmes and civil service files to make up for that as well.

Return to the "gold standard" for currency - give the dollar back an anchor it hasn't had for decades, and get it to settle down.

I've got ideas for fixing things that aren't just of the "spit and baling wire" approach - just no-one will listen. Do I think they'll work? What we've been doing so far has had the net effect of making things worse; so, logically, taking measures in the opposite direction should make them better, no? At least it's trying something new, and if what you're doing isn't working, you should try something else.
 
This whole program is a pay off to the unions that helped get Obama elected. Let's just hope they don't pass healthcare "reform" and/or cap and tax, oh I mean cap and trade, or we'll all be completely screwed.
 
5-90 for pres.

I've heard that before...

Here's another idea - no more running mates. Go back to what it was before - POTUS is the guy who gets the most votes, VPOTUS is the guy behind him. Sound, no? Kinda keeps things more evened out that way (which is, I'm sure, why they did it that way in the beginning...)

But, if I have to have a running mate, I'll take my wife along. Her head's knotted on good and tight as well, and she's a lot like me (just shorter and cuter.) So, having her on the ticket with me makes sense - we'd be essentially interchangable parts, politically speaking (which simplifies things greatly!)
 
that grand cherokee youtube video was taken in burlington, WI about 1 minute from my house.

the manager of that store has a pink jeep comanche (his 17 year old daughter drives it, wants me to 4x4 convert it and lift) and is disgusted at having to do this.

btw....they have been having trouble killing the 4.0's. actually had to drive a cherokee around the parking lot with that crap in it to destroy the motor.

AND....that grand cherokee had under 60k on it...and zero rust.
 
where the vehicle goes is up to who the dealership calls to come get it.

what happens to the vehicle after that is up to the scrap yard. they cannot sell a complete engine, or parts of the engine. however, they can sell virtually anything else off of the vehicle. I'm not sure if the transmission is still saleable or not.

basically, though....the scrap yards benefit more by just draining and crushing them. there isn't as much money in body panels as there is in drivetrains.
 
My neighbor is trading in his 250K plus mile 91 Chero Laredo in as a clunker on a new Hyundai(sp). I scored a near new muffler, tailpipe, mud flaps, rear air deflector and some other parts from it.

The entire clunker thing ticks me off, they have been trying to get one of these things passed for years. With obama in office they finally did.

There is an idiot on IFSJA from CT trading in a very nice 84 J10 with a lift and 33's in on some new piss pot. Real nice truck, he just gave up on selling it.
 
I won't fault someone for trading in a car that they can't sell for three times the book value, even though I have an addiction to jeeps....with that being said.......

another 2 billion or so and I think this plan could really work :flame:
 
This program was designed to take 250,000 clunkers off the road.

I'm guesing that somewhere between 5 and 10% of those could be Jeeps of various kinds ... lets say 5% to be conservative.

Thats 12,500 jeeps that will get killed.

I don't think it would be a stretch to think 25% of those Jeeps will be XJs.

So we are potentially looking at over 3,000 XJs being destroyed.

Oh, and did you know that passenger vehicles are a relatively small contributor to air pollution and oil consumption .... large trucks, heavy equipment, and factories do the real damage.

So the whole "green" aspect of this program is complete BS!!
 
This program was designed to take 250,000 clunkers off the road.

I'm guesing that somewhere between 5 and 10% of those could be Jeeps of various kinds ... lets say 5% to be conservative.

Thats 12,500 jeeps that will get killed.

I don't think it would be a stretch to think 25% of those Jeeps will be XJs.

So we are potentially looking at over 3,000 XJs being destroyed.

Oh, and did you know that passenger vehicles are a relatively small contributor to air pollution and oil consumption .... large trucks, heavy equipment, and factories do the real damage.

So the whole "green" aspect of this program is complete BS!!

This program has NOTHING to do with "going green"....

it has EVERYTHING to do with Obama returning the favor....
 
My neighbor is trading in his 250K plus mile 91 Chero Laredo in as a clunker on a new Hyundai(sp). I scored a near new muffler, tailpipe, mud flaps, rear air deflector and some other parts from it.

The entire clunker thing ticks me off, they have been trying to get one of these things passed for years. With obama in office they finally did.

There is an idiot on IFSJA from CT trading in a very nice 84 J10 with a lift and 33's in on some new piss pot. Real nice truck, he just gave up on selling it.

Ugh, that guy hurts my feelings.
 
Well, "going green" is more of a trend thing than anything...

I work for a company that is starting to incorporate some "green" options into the product line. To actually be able to advertise it as "green" it costs us more money and forces us to expend more time/labor/energy than what we already do... just to end up with the SAME EXACT THING we've been making for years. There is absolutely no way to tell the difference between the "green" and not-green items... Yet we're going to lose profit, increase our carbon footprint, waste more material, and have to charge more money, just to please people insisting on "green" materials for their home.
 
My two cents...I like the idea of a "cash for clunkers" program, but this one just sucks. I can think of many needy people and organizations that could use these perfectly good cars and trucks, yet they are going to waste. I could go on and on, but that's for another day and conversation.

Any FYI to the South Jersey folk, my buddy at a dealership killed 5 Cherokees so far, but he doesn't know where they are going so keep an eye out at the junk yards in South Jersey.
 
im kinda of afraid to go to the junkyards around me in central jersey. god only know how many of our fallen xj brethren lay to waste
 
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