Bought a New Gun This Weekend

[Kejtar]

Your starting to sound like Kejtard.

OH.. so the "if you can't win insult them" approach shows it's true colors?

Your huge .45 will be sitting in your jeep when you need it and a ppk will be in my back pocket. Where are your guns right this second? I don't know anybody that lugs a .45 day in and day out. It's a freaking brick.A ball and chain. A rediculus huge hunk of steel that if it's a 1911 type shoots like crap anyway.

Boy are you wrong. I know a lot of folks that carry 1911's. Anything from officers frame to the fullsize government frame. And you can't tell that they carry and they have it very accessible. It's all in the holster, the quality of holster, the clothing and practice. Oh yeah, why don't you know anyone that carries 1911's ? cause they don't tell you and you can't see it

I read Massods book but as far as training like you guys have then street training beats yours hands down. You learn how to be safe and how thousands of cops handle their wepons. I spent 10 years on the streets and have been in gun fights. You fools will wind up shot. If a prick like you so much as gives me a dirty look and I see the massive hunk of iron under your coat then I pump two .22 rounds in your skull and tell the judje you threatened me with that huge scarry gun and I was in fear for my life. I walk,you die. Understand where I'm comming from. You guys that lug around those huge guns are the idiots that will wind up shot when the meth head geeks out because he thinks your a cop that will bust him. A fool carries a big gun like that and makes himself a target. Make sure your wife posts up when your hooked up to tubes so we cand send flowers.

Oh you wise one. Please educate the poor simple masses on your wisdom!

Where are you coming from? You're full of yourself. You don't want to listen to anyone cause you know it all cause you've done it all. You can't even have a discussion with someone without insulting them and calling them names......

 

[Stumpalump]

I am edjucating them on how to stay alive and you are promoting huge handguns that will hurt our children and get themselfs hurt. Your a bad bad man. I stand. A fool carries a huge full size ball and chain type wepon and lets the world or at least the bad guys and undercover cops know that you are packing. You will surly wind up dead faster than sombody with no gun or a small concealed gun. Go to rotten.com and look for gun shot wounds so you can see what may happen to you.
Edit: Don't go to rotten .com it's discusting and you will see horrible damage to human bodys from train wrecks to gun shots.

 

[goodburbon]

It's a freaking brick.A ball and chain

Wow, I had better get rid of this GIGANTIC CANNON that I couldn't possibly hide anywhere. Before some meth head with a .22 starts shooting at me.

not my hand, you won't see me with a finger on the trigger unless a round is about to come out, and I am right handed.

 

[Kejtar]

I am edjucating them on how to stay alive and you are promoting huge handguns that will hurt our children and get themselfs hurt.

WTF are you smoking? Whatever it is, I suggest you step away from it cause it's causing permanent brain damage.
Anyways, I'm done with this. Peace y'all.

 

[KarlVP]

Nice find. My next handgun will be an XD.

I'm gonna have to kinda agree with stumpy this time.

If you have a weapon that you plan on soley using for home defense. You should find a weapon that you like, you can shoot well, and you are comfortable with. Once you find those features, practice with it regularly. At least once a month.

Lots of folks buy weapons for home defense. You should be rather proficent in a home defense weapon. Don't just buy it, put it in a sock drawer for 10 years and expect to be an expert marksman when you need it.

If you are getting a weapon for carry. You should be profoundly knowlegeable of its use.

Anywho, Nice find on the XD.

 

[Weasel]

I'm gonna have to kinda agree with stumpy this time.

If you have a weapon that you plan on soley using for home defense. You should find a weapon that you like, you can shoot well, and you are comfortable with. Once you find those features, practice with it regularly. At least once a month.

Lots of folks buy weapons for home defense. You should be rather proficent in a home defense weapon. Don't just buy it, put it in a sock drawer for 10 years and expect to be an expert marksman when you need it.

If you are getting a weapon for carry. You should be profoundly knowlegeable of its use.

So That's what he's saying? Hmm you have a talent if you picked up this from all the garble he's posted. I agree with what you wrote but have no idea what stumpy is going on about.

 

[KarlVP]

So That's what he's saying? Hmm you have a talent if you picked up this from all the garble he's posted. I agree with what you wrote but have no idea what stumpy is going on about.

Well stumpy was also talking about caliber. Seems to me he was agreeing with the original poster on the choice of weapon.

As for what you carry, I don't care. Basic marksman skills can be acquired with a smaller caliber much easier than using something like a .357 or .45. If you practice enough, you can get the hang of it.

Anywho, as for the discussion with Stumpy, if I ever have to shoot someone or multiple folks in a defensive situation, I'm not going for a "one shot stop" or whatever you folks in the movies see. I'm going to shoot them until they are no loger able to harm me. If you are an expert pistol shot, sure, you can aim for the head. But a center mass shot is much better to aim for in a defensive situation to the average weapon user. It doesn't matter what you shoot them with. .22 caliber holes are just as deadly as .45 caliber. Keep shooting them till they are unable to fight back, or dead.

 

[Ba-Riedo]

Your huge .45 will be sitting in your jeep when you need it and a ppk will be in my back pocket. Where are your guns right this second? I don't know anybody that lugs a .45 day in and day out. It's a freaking brick.A ball and chain. A rediculus huge hunk of steel that if it's a 1911 type shoots like crap anyway.

Wow a 1911 is a ball and chain? I have a friend who carries one most of the time, you cant see it unless he wants you to. It might be a ball and chain if you are a built like a stick.:cheers:

-Alex

 

[sjd78]

Well stumpy was also talking about caliber. Seems to me he was agreeing with the original poster on the choice of weapon.

As for what you carry, I don't care. Basic marksman skills can be acquired with a smaller caliber much easier than using something like a .357 or .45. If you practice enough, you can get the hang of it.

Anywho, as for the discussion with Stumpy, if I ever have to shoot someone or multiple folks in a defensive situation, I'm not going for a "one shot stop" or whatever you folks in the movies see. I'm going to shoot them until they are no loger able to harm me. If you are an expert pistol shot, sure, you can aim for the head. But a center mass shot is much better to aim for in a defensive situation to the average weapon user. It doesn't matter what you shoot them with. .22 caliber holes are just as deadly as .45 caliber. Keep shooting them till they are unable to fight back, or dead.

You see, the problem with yours and stumpy's back wards logic is that when and heavinly forbidding you actually have to discharge a fire arm at someone...especially if they are on dope your meesly littel .22 or 38's are not going to stop them...PLAIN AND SIMPLE! It doesnt matter how many shots you fire, you will be dead when they get ahold of you or shoot you back! Large caliber's have ALOT more stopping power and cause ALOT more damage upon impact and exit.

 

[sjd78]

I guess you "anti large caliber" poeple have never seen a Kimber Ultra Compact huh? Its smaller then your stadard XD! So much for a ball and chain. Why dont you people learn about what you are talking about before you keep spewing garbage that makes you look like a moron!

 

[KarlVP]

You see, the problem with yours and stumpy's back wards logic is that when and heavinly forbidding you actually have to discharge a fire arm at someone...especially if they are on dope your meesly littel .22 or 38's are not going to stop them...PLAIN AND SIMPLE! It doesnt matter how many shots you fire, you will be dead when they get ahold of you or shoot you back! Large caliber's have ALOT more stopping power and cause ALOT more damage upon impact and exit.

Maybe you are missing my point.

Handguns are not death rays. Being in the military I know plenty of folks that have been shot by both rifles and handguns and were able to return fire. And they are still alive to this day.

There was a case back east when I lived there when a man who was attacking a police officer was shot SIX times by a .45 and continued his assault. They confrontation was finally ened when he was shot a seventh time in the head.

The MAJORITY of folks who own defensie weapons DO NOT practice with them regularly. What would you rather have someone who can shoot so so with a .38 or someone who shots like complete ass with a .357?

Here's a test for ya. Next time you are at the range, get two stalls right next to eachother, and set up targets at 20 feet on each stall. (Make sure it's okay with the range safety officer first) From either stall fire 3 shots at each target with a small caliber weapon. Now fire the same 3 shots at each target with a .45 or hell, a .357 snubby. Sure an expierenced pistol shot could knock that down like it was nothing. Your average joe who owns a weapon for home defense really can't do that.

Knock down power or stopping power is great, but if you shoot your goblin twice and send 4 rounds through 8 walls into your neighbors house because you are a crappy shot, you are gonna have some explaining to do.

 

[sjd78]

Maybe you are missing my point.

Handguns are not death rays. Being in the military I know plenty of folks that have been shot by both rifles and handguns and were able to return fire. And they are still alive to this day.

There was a case back east when I lived there when a man who was attacking a police officer was shot SIX times by a .45 and continued his assault. They confrontation was finally ened when he was shot a seventh time in the head.

The MAJORITY of folks who own defensie weapons DO NOT practice with them regularly. What would you rather have someone who can shoot so so with a .38 or someone who shots like complete ass with a .357?

Here's a test for ya. Next time you are at the range, get two stalls right next to eachother, and set up targets at 20 feet on each stall. (Make sure it's okay with the range safety officer first) From either stall fire 3 shots at each target with a small caliber weapon. Now fire the same 3 shots at each target with a .45 or hell, a .357 snubby. Sure an expierenced pistol shot could knock that down like it was nothing. Your average joe who owns a weapon for home defense really can't do that.

Knock down power or stopping power is great, but if you shoot your goblin twice and send 4 rounds through 8 walls into your neighbors house because you are a crappy shot, you are gonna have some explaining to do.

Once again your backwards logic makes no sense. First off most confrontations happen between 5-7 feet, not 20 feet. So in reality its not all that hard to hit a person at that distance no matter what caliber you are shooting ( I know there will be some exceptions but you shouldnt carry if you cant hit someone at that range) . Second, if you are a crappy shot and shoot into your neighbors house it isnt going to matter much what caliber you are shooting now is it? If somone is a crappy shot they shouldnt be carrying a handgun for defense. Justifying it by saying I would rather them carry a smaller caliber because they are a crappy shot is a joke. Bottom line if you are going to carry a firearm you need to responsible enough no matter what the caliber is to make sure you are correctly and accurately able to use it!

 

[Bryan C.]

Did anyone see this? Might be a repost, but this guy used a .22 cal and the bullett bounced off the guys head....
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2008/01/post_24.html

 

[Kejtar]

Did anyone see this? Might be a repost, but this guy used a .22 cal and the bullett bounced off the guys head....
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2008/01/post_24.html

well there was also an incident where the bullet penetrated the skin then traveled underneath the skin around the skull and exited to the rear right of the head.

 

[KarlVP]

Once again your backwards logic makes no sense. First off most confrontations happen between 5-7 feet, not 20 feet. So in reality its not all that hard to hit a person at that distance no matter what caliber you are shooting ( I know there will be some exceptions but you shouldnt carry if you cant hit someone at that range) . Second, if you are a crappy shot and shoot into your neighbors house it isnt going to matter much what caliber you are shooting now is it? If somone is a crappy shot they shouldnt be carrying a handgun for defense. Justifying it by saying I would rather them carry a smaller caliber because they are a crappy shot is a joke. Bottom line if you are going to carry a firearm you need to responsible enough no matter what the caliber is to make sure you are correctly and accurately able to use it!

It isn't backwards logic, I'm not getting my point across.

First of all, go measure some distances in your house. You may be surprised to see the distance from the top of your stairs to the bottom. Or the maximum distance you may encounter an armed assailant in your house.

I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. Sadly, there are far too many folks who purchase firearms for home defense and rarely if ever practice with them. Any bullet out of any caliber can penetrate several walls.

But I'll use my wife as an example. She is MUCH more comfortable shooting a .22 or .38 than a .357. She is pretty accurate shooting .22 but sucks ass with the .357. Even a 6 inch barreld(sp) .357. Basically she is afraid of the larger calibers. When I go back on deployment in May, I'll be comfortable knowing that if armed bad guys break into my home, my wife will be able to lock the family in the master bedroom, call the police, and in the event that armed badguys are trying to harm my family, she can pretty reliably defend herself with a .22. Not squeeze her eyes shut and "hope for the best" with a .357.

The folks that I know that choose to carry do practice. Once a month, if not once a week. They are all pretty proficient pistol shots.

Not trying to get personal at all. But does your wife or girlfriend shoot?

 

[sjd78]

It isn't backwards logic, I'm not getting my point across.

First of all, go measure some distances in your house. You may be surprised to see the distance from the top of your stairs to the bottom. Or the maximum distance you may encounter an armed assailant in your house.

I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. Sadly, there are far too many folks who purchase firearms for home defense and rarely if ever practice with them. Any bullet out of any caliber can penetrate several walls.

But I'll use my wife as an example. She is MUCH more comfortable shooting a .22 or .38 than a .357. She is pretty accurate shooting .22 but sucks ass with the .357. Even a 6 inch barreld(sp) .357. Basically she is afraid of the larger calibers. When I go back on deployment in May, I'll be comfortable knowing that if armed bad guys break into my home, my wife will be able to lock the family in the master bedroom, call the police, and in the event that armed badguys are trying to harm my family, she can pretty reliably defend herself with a .22. Not squeeze her eyes shut and "hope for the best" with a .357.

The folks that I know that choose to carry do practice. Once a month, if not once a week. They are all pretty proficient pistol shots.

Not trying to get personal at all. But does your wife or girlfriend shoot?

I better understand what you are saying now. I see you point that your wife is better off shooting something that she is capable of shooting accurately then somehting she may or may not be. In that situation I agree with you although I dont feel IMHO that a .22 is an effective defense caliber. If it were me (and Im not trying to bash you because I dont know your or your wifes situation) I would try and graduate her up to something she still felt comfortable shooting in a larger caliber. But like I said I dont know your situation there for I will not comment on your decision to use a small caliber as a method of defense any further.

To answer your question (I dont mind, its not too personal) My fiancee does not shoot...yet. I am warming her up to the idea and we will have a date at the range just as soon as she feels comfortable to do so. I absolutely do want her to learn how to properly work a firearm and deffend herself with one if need be though.

 

[Stumpalump]

Probably more people in this country have been killed by .22 rimfire's than all other calibers combined, which, based on body count, would compel the use of .22's for self-defense. Source:http://www.pointshooting.com/fbipart2.htm

 

[KarlVP]

I better understand what you are saying now. I see you point that your wife is better off shooting something that she is capable of shooting accurately then somehting she may or may not be. In that situation I agree with you although I dont feel IMHO that a .22 is an effective defense caliber. If it were me (and Im not trying to bash you because I dont know your or your wifes situation) I would try and graduate her up to something she still felt comfortable shooting in a larger caliber. But like I said I dont know your situation there for I will not comment on your decision to use a small caliber as a method of defense any further.

To answer your question (I dont mind, its not too personal) My fiancee does not shoot...yet. I am warming her up to the idea and we will have a date at the range just as soon as she feels comfortable to do so. I absolutely do want her to learn how to properly work a firearm and deffend herself with one if need be though.

I have been working the wife up to the bigger calibers. Started her off on a 22 rifle, then a MarkII ruger. She shot the 357 snubby in .38 but she flinched A LOT and it took a couple trips to the range to get her "semi comfortable" with it. She refuses to shoot it in .357. Even with a rented revolver with a 6 inch barrel she was not happy with.

I was in the same boat as you a couple years or so ago. (Don't know if your Fiance has the same ABSOLUTE fear of weapons that my wife had) The wife had never used any weapons. She was totally afraid of all of them. I remember Christmas 05 when I took leave to visit my family. My Mom, Uncle and Cousins all went to the range to shoot some rifles that we had. I brought the wife with, and she was 100% afraid of the whole situation. I tried to warm her up to it that day, but there was nothing doing. It took a couple personal her and I only sessions at the range to warm up to using weapons. That being said, she does know HOW to use all the weapons I own. She IS accepting to learning how they work, how to load and unload them, how to work the action, and which ammunition goes with which weapon. My wife knows how to use the weapons I own, but is not comfortable shooting all of them.

 

[sjd78]

Probably more people in this country have been killed by .22 rimfire's than all other calibers combined, which, based on body count, would compel the use of .22's for self-defense. Source:http://www.pointshooting.com/fbipart2.htm

"Probably more people in this country have been killed by .22 rimfire's than all other calibers combined"

Well Im convinced now....you know, that sounds like real scientific evidence right there!

More people have been killed by automobiles then firearms, should we start using them as weapons of self defense? Honestly, do you really believe all the garbage you read? That whole article is hokey at best. You can believe what you want Stump, its your choice and right to do so. I on the other hand dont believe that such a small caliber is an effective self deffense choice. Does such a small caliber have the potential to inflict injury to someone...of course. Is it the most effective to stop someone with the least amount of shots fired...not at all. I wouldnt want to trust my life to and rely on such a small caliber, but that is just me. As stated above though, some situations do warrant the use of a small caliber for a certain reason or another and each person only knows their own situation and needs.

 

[sjd78]

I have been working the wife up to the bigger calibers. Started her off on a 22 rifle, then a MarkII ruger. She shot the 357 snubby in .38 but she flinched A LOT and it took a couple trips to the range to get her "semi comfortable" with it. She refuses to shoot it in .357. Even with a rented revolver with a 6 inch barrel she was not happy with.

I was in the same boat as you a couple years or so ago. (Don't know if your Fiance has the same ABSOLUTE fear of weapons that my wife had) The wife had never used any weapons. She was totally afraid of all of them. I remember Christmas 05 when I took leave to visit my family. My Mom, Uncle and Cousins all went to the range to shoot some rifles that we had. I brought the wife with, and she was 100% afraid of the whole situation. I tried to warm her up to it that day, but there was nothing doing. It took a couple personal her and I only sessions at the range to warm up to using weapons. That being said, she does know HOW to use all the weapons I own. She IS accepting to learning how they work, how to load and unload them, how to work the action, and which ammunition goes with which weapon. My wife knows how to use the weapons I own, but is not comfortable shooting all of them.

I am in the same situation. My fiancee totally has the same fear of weapons. I completely understand where you are coming from now, and I am faced with the same issues to deal with. It is going to be a slow process I know, but I just want to go at her pace so she will be comfortable in the entire process of learning.