Boostec Supercharger Information

[O-Gauge Steamer]

I spoke with Rich today, March 22, at Boostec. I am going to his shop in the morning to get the nickle tour and to look at the XJ prototype setup.

The production kit is on it's way from Oz and is scheduled to get into the Springs next week (week of March 28). I have been invited to photograph the installation of a production kit. Right now, Rich is running the prototype on his XJ.

Some teasers...
1. Extra controller for fuel management.
2. Cast tensioner bracket for the belt tensioner. Replaces the Factory stamped steel one.
3. Plans are to stock relatively large numbers of the kit so as to not hold up shipments.
4. $3,995.00 kit price.
5. Uses an extra injector to balance fuel demands.


This will be the thread I use to document all I find out as I find it.

Dave

 

[nochance9]

Sweet! Sounds pretty sick. Any ideas on power output and mpg from running the prototype?

 

[O-Gauge Steamer]

I am going to attempt to get him to put the XJ on a dyno after the installation of the production kit. Drawing any conclusions from the prototype would be premature... Least ways, that's how I see it.

You can see what is looks like as well as get what information that is currently available at http://www.boostecus.com. You can also find Vids on Youtube...

 

[tragiccomic1972]

..... on pins and needles waiting on your report.... awesome man

 

[FlexdXJ]

While this sounds cool and all, You can build a nice stroker for that and get the same results.

 

[urban yan]

1. Extra controller for fuel management.2. Cast tensioner bracket for the belt tensioner. Replaces the Factory stamped steel one.
3. Plans are to stock relatively large numbers of the kit so as to not hold up shipments.
4. $3,995.00 kit price.
5. Uses an extra injector to balance fuel demands.

What Rick told you isn't inline with what he told me the last two times we spoke. He was supposed to ditch the 7th injector along with a standalone fuel management system in favor of a 6 high flow injectors and a diablosport intune.

The 7th injector/ Perfectpower SMT6 combo's the main reason Rick hasn't been able to sell these units for well over a year.

 

[blubullett]

While this sounds cool and all, You can build a nice stroker for that and get the same results.

Yeah but imagine this blower on top of your stroker.

And a 7th injector is a ghetto way to do the fuel management. For 4 grand it better come with something better then that.

 

[urban yan]

Rick's first gen Jeep and Landrover superchargers used an additional injector. It's a terrible solution (uneven fuel distribution). Rick was supposed to ditch the 7th injector, so I'm surprised to hear he's using a 7th injector again. When I spoke to him in December, he told me he was onto something different.

 

[gradon]

X2 on throwing this on top of a stroker. Get yourself some forged eagle rods, custom 30+cc forged dish pistons to keep scr <9.0:1, the 4.2 crank, some 40# injectors, and fuel and timing management and I see no reason why you can't have 300+whp and 375wtq. Tasty.

 

[badron]

Let's be clear on this. Exactly what is the reason or reason(s) for the 7th injector. Before the web BSers has it connected with government cover up.

 

[urban yan]

Poor fuel distribution.

 

[cruiser54]

I got to drive many times a Paxton supercharged 4.6L 2WD Comanche , Electramotive programable fuel injection,with a worked over AW-4, lowered, IMSA flares and fat tires, It was a project done by a guy who worked for Jeep and lived here in town named Gary Bryson. He would give it to me to drive when he needed to haul something heavy and wanted to use my demo from the dealership, a stock Comanche.It was real quick and handled surprisingly well. I can't remember if it had the carbon fiber leaf springs or not. I remember hearing 300 HP. Whether it was flywheel HP or RWHP, I don't know.

 

[tragiccomic1972]

X3 on putting this on top of a stroker. what fun! But I still believe I can build one with Byson's turbo set-up cheaper and make as much/more power, better reliability and less fuel consumption off boost... I am interested to see what steamer comes back with

 

[gradon]

The 7th injector would theoretically be installed in the log closest to the intake and squirt in a manner so that all cylinders can be enrichened by it. It would be controlled by a separate controller and not the pcm. Not ideal compared to bigger injectors that squirt directly into the head and proper management. Some people use a 7th(or 5th or 9th) injector for water/meth injection.

 

[O-Gauge Steamer]

So, here is where we are...

The idea of the 7th injector is not the ideal solution. That being said, it is the most cost effective solution. As Rick says, from a mechanical stand point the kit is 100% and from an electrical/fuel management point of view it is 98% The problem is the pre-2005 PCM. 2005 and up PCMs can be, and are, reprogrammed and we all know that our XJ PCMs cannot. There is a long history of sending air/fuel through the blower. How do you think draw-thru dragster engines work? One or more carbs on top of the blower.

We will be installing the production kit, hopefully next week, when it gets here from Oz. I will report on that after it happens.

Interesting features:
1. The belt tensioner bracket (beautiful piece, I'll photograph it next week) is vehicle dependant. XJ/TJ, LHD/RHD differences in the mounting drove the different designs. I don't know how much you all are familiar with, but dedicated castings are a major investment in tooling. Then they have the mounting surfaces machined after casting.
2. Multi-bar MAP sensor.
3. The piggyback computer is going to look at water and air temps as well as the boost pressure to adjust the timing.
3. Intake manifold. Wait until you see the pictures... The SC mounts to the manifold with 4 bolts and uses an o-ring seal. Tha manifold itself has reliefs in the bottom to make it easier to bolt onto the engine. What an idea, have the installer in mind...

The attention to detail is amazing. The quality of the castings looks are OEM quality. It is well thought out and is designed to be installed in an afternoon. Not much more work than changing the manifold gasket. One cut and splice and a few new connections to the piggyback.

Other projects in the works:
1. Electric water pump with controller. Actually, my XJ may get the first one... These are in use in Oz, just new here.
2. Electric fans with controller. Again my XJ...

Both of these use a PWM based motor drive with temperature sensing. For those unfamiliar, PWM means Pulse Width Modulated. The idea is that you send pulses of DC to the motor to control the speed of the motor. Proven technology, this is how DC Servo Motors on CNC Machines work. As the voltage stays constant, the HP of the motor is maintained. You can vary a DC motor speed by voltage but, you lose the HP and torque at the lower voltage levels.

As the Hot Rod market has been using electric water pumps for years with no real issues, this should go like gang busters. Removes drag off of the engine which translates into HP and fuel economy improvements. The difference here is that instead of using an electric motor to turn the mechanical pump, this pump will set in the lower radiator hose and the mechanical pump will be gutted out. Can you say full flow at crawling speeds?

If it sounds like I'm hyping this, well I sort of am... I will be involved with the SC kits from now on and will be helping to develop the other projects. My thanks to the guy that initially posted the link to the web site... Looks like my forced retirement will not be as boring as it has been.

 

[slappomatt]

for a $4000 kit cost shouldnt be THAT much of a factor. I am in the early stages of throwing a SC on my 95XJ and I will have a grand total of about $500 in the whole kit. Although I already had a FMU and a inline fuel pump. Running fuel through alot of SC is a bad idea as several have coatings that come off with fuel. why not get together with the people at DIYAUTOTUNE.COM and have them work up a plug and play ECU. My brother and friends have probably put Megasquirt on 20+ boosted engines and it runs very well. Also very cheap at <$300 for complete (unsoldered) standalone ECU

 

[tragiccomic1972]

My thanks to the guy that initially posted the link to the web site... Looks like my forced retirement will not be as boring as it has been.

Your welcome steamer... good luck on your new path. Keep us informed!

 

[O-Gauge Steamer]

Just got out of the TJ Rick has equipped with the blower. It was in pieces this morning and he had to fab a PS pump modification i.e. remote the resevoir. Major bark of the 33-12.50s going into second (6 speed) and a very near bark going into third... This at 4 psi boost.

Not to mention the lovely SC whine...

 

[Boostwerks.com]

For those concerned about the 7th injector, you could simply plug it and install larger injectors with a piggy back controller like the AEM or Split Second. I wonder if he would be willing to sell a kit without the piggy back controller/map/7th injector?

I do not like piggyback systems that are "one fits all" as you can't fine tune the setup for your specific engine and running enviroment (IE stroker).

 

[Talyn]

we all know that our XJ PCMs cannot.

Not 100% true. They can be flashed for timing (at least the 97+), fuel, torque management, top speed, efan turn on temp, etc. But I doubt it can be flashed to read a 2 bar map sensor.

Other projects in the works:
1. Electric water pump with controller. Actually, my XJ may get the first one... These are in use in Oz, just new here.
2. Electric fans with controller. Again my XJ...

Very interesting. I like the idea of an electric water pump, but don't know if the aftermarket ones would be viable for a daily driver. I am sure there are some OEMs that use an electric water pump.

why not get together with the people at DIYAUTOTUNE.COM and have them work up a plug and play ECU.

Because its not really feasible to sell it to your basic DIYer. You would also have to replace the factory gauges in the 97+ as they rely on the CCD bus for their data. And emissions checking will be a concern. No OBDII port to begin with.

install larger injectors with a piggy back controller like the AEM or Split Second. I wonder if he would be willing to sell a kit without the piggy back controller/map/7th injector?

That is what I am thinking.