BART Police Officer Executes Hand-Cuffed Man?!

You can't even see whats going on??? He could have been reaching for something, the cops could have warned him before he took out his gun. With all the shouting and the grainy cell phone movie, you really can't see or hear anything going on FOR SURE besides that fact that he was shot.
 
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igotanxj said:
You can't even see whats going on??? He could have been reaching for something, the cops could have warned him before he took out his gun. With all the shouting and the grainy cell phone movie, you really can't see or hear anything going on FOR SURE besides that fact that he was shot IN THE BACK.
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Did you watch the same video? He shot him in the back AFTER they hand-cuffed him! IN THE BACK?!
 
That is unbelievable. I ride BART all the time and have never actually seen the BART police do really anything. I heard on the radio last night that the family plans to sue them in court for 23M. That cop deserves what ever he has coming to him and more.
 
SBrad001 said:
Did you watch the same video? He shot him in the back AFTER they hand-cuffed him! IN THE BACK?!
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They never said he was handcuffed. You can see his hands flailing all over the place before and after he was shot. Maybe he was grabbing a knife or something??? Who knows? I know it looks pretty bad, but we can't actually tell without being there. I'm not saying you guys are wrong and I'm right...just saying that we don't know. Maybe he will go to jail??
 
igotanxj said:
They never said he was handcuffed. You can see his hands flailing all over the place before and after he was shot. Maybe he was grabbing a knife or something??? Who knows? I know it looks pretty bad, but we can't actually tell without being there. I'm not saying you guys are wrong and I'm right...just saying that we don't know. Maybe he will go to jail??
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I agree with you. It is hard to tell what is going on, I don't think he was cuffed. It does look pretty bad though. Be interesting to see what happens.
 
Investigation isn't over.

Watch the video on the news last night and exclaimed "Holy Sh*T! they executed that guy!" Watch the video several times today at work with a couple of other boarding officers. It's inconclusive from the cell phone video taken from inside the train. Their reaction was it was his muscle memory, he went for the taser and grabbed the firearm instead. The victim also wasn't cuffed until after he was shot. Another lesson learned the hard way to do EXACTLY what the officer tells you, your not going to win.

Fruitvale Station is kinda No Man's Land.
 
Boatwrench said:
Investigation isn't over.

Watch the video on the news last night and exclaimed "Holy Sh*T! they executed that guy!" Watch the video several times today at work with a couple of other boarding officers. It's inconclusive from the cell phone video taken from inside the train. Their reaction was it was his muscle memory, he went for the taser and grabbed the firearm instead. The victim also wasn't cuffed until after he was shot. Another lesson learned the hard way to do EXACTLY what the officer tells you, your not going to win.

Fruitvale Station is kinda No Man's Land.
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I always thought taser guns were holstered on the opposite side of your natural shooting hand? Every belt setup I can ever seen has been like this. So it it were muscle memory then he would have reached on his left side not his right...
 
Yeah, too hard to tell so I can't imagine why anyone would start jumping to conclusions that this was an intentional act.

I didn't see the officer as "calmly" drawing his weapon - I see his hand move pretty quickly up to grab it, then he briefly fumbles with the holster safety and - to me - it looks like the gun pops off as he's drawn it and moving it forward into position. Plus, his partners are all around and below him and other than looking like they're trying to restrain him, they don't look too jazzed up either - before the shot. Just looks to me like that Officer was stepping out of the mix as his partners continued to restrain the guy and he may have thought he should draw his firearm for cover until he was restrained.

I'm almost of the opinion that this may end up being an accidental discharge....:dunno:

I just can't imagine popping a round that close to my partners unless the bad guy is going for a weapon - and I could actually see the weapon or reasonably believed he had one concealed.

And yeah, "muscle memory"...... if the officer was intending to deploy his taser and grabbed his firearm accidentally...... there's no excuse for that. Generally, department policy and certainly Taser Corp suggests that they be kept on the weak hand side or cross draw so that there is some measure of difference between deploying the Taser and a firearm. I don't see how the two could be confused anyway..... weight, grip, size are dramatically different...... and the Taser has a thumb safety lever/"on" switch - the majority of Cops carry Glocks or other firearms that don't have a mechanical thumb release safety...........:dunno: Hell, there's still some departments out there that still don't carry Tasers - the Taser may not even be part of the equasion here......

Regardless, there's gonna have to be some serious explaining on his part to justify it.
 
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Boatwrench said:
. . .Another lesson learned the hard way to do EXACTLY what the officer tells you, your not going to win.
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So disobeying a police officer while two other police officers hold you down justifies being shot in the back? Or even shot at all?


The kid was unharmed and just before you see him on the floor, face down, you see him with his hands up in the air.
 
I can barely even tell what's going on but it does indeed look bad for that cop.
 
SBrad001 said:
So disobeying a police officer while two other police officers hold you down justifies being shot in the back? Or even shot at all?


The kid was unharmed and just before you see him on the floor, face down, you see him with his hands up in the air.
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Dude, c'mon...I expected a LOT more from you. It's starting to sound like a Jester thread with the 'zOMG they just SHOT him for NO reason'. The FACTS are that you can NOT hear everything going on, you're listening to commentary from several feet away, and you can NOT see everything from the video angles. Please, use a little more sense than the overblown media hype.

For someone who doesn't like the 'machine', you sure seem trapped inside it. ;)
 
ECKSJAY said:
Dude, c'mon...I expected a LOT more from you. It's starting to sound like a Jester thread with the 'zOMG they just SHOT him for NO reason'. The FACTS are that you can NOT hear everything going on, you're listening to commentary from several feet away, and you can NOT see everything from the video angles. Please, use a little more sense than the overblown media hype.

For someone who doesn't like the 'machine', you sure seem trapped inside it. ;)
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Let's assume that those two officers are holding him down and he's struggling for whatever reason. But, he's detained and the officers have control of him.

Then, he start yelling that he hates cops, or is going to kill a cop, or kill himself; THAT justifies shooting him?
 
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