BART Police Officer Executes Hand-Cuffed Man?!

[ECKSJAY]

What I am saying, though, is that I didn't see any reason for the officer to pull his weapon. If it was going that badly, they should have called one of the other 5 officers over to taze him. At no point did I see reason for the officer to intentionally shoot him.

We don't know. If the guy had a weapon, there was not going to be time to apply the Taser, especially if it was several feet away at the time. We'll have to see what comes of the investigation.

I wasn't there...none of us where there...as was stated the video doesn't show anything clear...believe me when I say that there are things that happen when you are in the middle of a situation that a video may or may not capture...

i hate how conclusions are jumped to so fast...

I am certain that it will be investigated to the fullest but it won't happen over night.

mac 'tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving' gyvr

I'm with ya mac.

 

[Coastie]

I think we can all agree the kid mad a bad choice by resisting the cops.

Once a group of illegals got out out of hand and myself and two young non rates restrained a full grown man without any problems. As he was fighting back using my sidearm as a means to an end was never even a option.

However since we could not hear the officers for all we know they were shouting that he had a weapon and the cop took what he thought was the safest way to subdue the man.

If the kid did really have a gun in the close proximity I might have mad the same choice.

 

[kcjeep6]

Ever try steer wrestling? How about wrestling a steer with thumbs? Yeah man, those guys were wrangling that kid and fighting for his hands. If that dummy had sat still and kept his trap shut, I'm sure things woulda been sorted out and they wouldn't have to yank him from the wall to cuff and search him. I'm sure they were going for someone else and kept everyone detained until they got it sorted...but there's always a joker who smarts off and gets twisted up. The couple seconds to draw was also while leaning on a guy to restrain his legs. Go find a guy on the street and wrestle him to the ground sometime. See if he fights back or just flattens out. Lemme know if it was easy or kinda difficult.

Please remember this is the San Leandro Ca. USA and not a war zone. We have a Bill of Rights! We do not live in a police state. I have said it before the police in this country have become too militarized and like the present administration believes they are above the law. If you think you 2nd amendment rights will allow you to defend yourself from the Government watch the video again.
The Office screwed up in any other field of employment if you screwed up that bad you would be fire on the spot. Way is it the LEO’s get a paid vacation?

 

[ECKSJAY]

Please remember this is the San Leandro Ca. USA and not a war zone. We have a Bill of Rights! We do not live in a police state. I have said it before the police in this country have become too militarized and like the present administration believes they are above the law. If you think you 2nd amendment rights will allow you to defend yourself from the Government watch the video again.
The Office screwed up in any other field of employment if you screwed up that bad you would be fire on the spot. Way is it the LEO’s get a paid vacation?

What does this have to do with the video? :laugh2:

 

[Kittrell]

Please remember this is the San Leandro Ca. USA and not a war zone. We have a Bill of Rights! We do not live in a police state. I have said it before the police in this country have become too militarized...

That does nothing for your argument, since the military isn't really allowed to be the military anymore. Thats not really a giant leap for LEOs.

Way is it the LEO’s get a paid vacation?

Because they have to take them off active duty, until the investigation is done. But they aren't gonna pay them, even if they were in the right?

 

[Coastie]

Way is it the LEO’s get a paid vacation?

Because he has not been found guilty of anything yet....

 

[ECKSJAY]

lol, 'vacation'....he just shot a guy. I'm sure he's in talking to a therapist to help make sure he's not gonna flip out.

 

[ehall]

To me it looks like he did not have the safety engaged, and it went off in his hand.

 

[ECKSJAY]

To me it looks like he did not have the safety engaged, and it went off in his hand.

:roflmao: :yelclap:

 

[Freaky McPants]

The first time I watched the video, it looked like an execution. I watched it a few more times and personally, I can clearly see the surprise in all the Officers faces, especially the one who shot the perp. I think it is possible that it was an accidental shooting, but I think its more likely that the cop shot the guy on purpose, and that surprised look you see in his face is him realizing "Oh shat, I just screwed the pooch". This is all just my opinion, so dont anyone get too excited. We will have to wait and see what the outcome of the investigation is, but I think that the Officer in question should get charged with Negligent Homicide at the very least.

 

[buzzbombxj]

Its kinda scary as I bart about $11:40 worth every week. I almost went to the city that night, my family did, and went through that station maybe half an hour earlier. I went to chico to party arty1:

 

[Rockslut]

There is nothing conclusive in any of those videos other than dude resisting and a cop shooting dude. I agree with the accidental discharge theory.

Did anyone see or hear anything about dude having a weapon? No, so you cant assume he did or did not have anything. Doesnt matter what it looks like, what are the facts?

Cops go on admin leave during the investigation. If the shooting was determined to be justified then the officer should not lose pay.

 

[chrisgerman1983]

anyone who thinks this was an intentional "execution" is messed up in the head! i highly doubt a cop is gonna shoot someone in the back in front of hundreds of witnesses on purpose. im sure their was some negligence to some extent but if the cop got shot instead it would have barely made a ripple on the news.

 

[Boatwrench]

if the cop got shot instead it would have barely made a ripple on the news.

Maybe in BC, but here it's a full blown story also.

 

[Darky]

Maybe in BC, but here it's a full blown story also.

Nowhere near what it is when a cop shoots a perp.

 

[selarep]

wow... i was just on the bart getting some sh*t from a bart officer (or I think it was a bart officer) this last saturday (1-3-09).
Wow...
my .02, the cop really screwed up. excessive deadly force.
he's screwed. I've been in the military, done the cop thing, blah blah, the cop screwed up.

 

[Freaky McPants]

anyone who thinks this was an intentional "execution" is messed up in the head!

Ever consider the possibility that maybe the cop is messed up in the head? Just because they're cops doesent mean that there arent a few nut jobs that get by every once in a while.

 

[Ramsey]

Ever consider the possibility that maybe the cop is messed up in the head? Just because they're cops doesent mean that there arent a few nut jobs that get by every once in a while.

A good example HERE

 

[Freaky McPants]

A good example HERE

He's ex Military, of course he's crazy. At least according to civilian PD's. I work with a guy who tried to get out and become a cop. He had a very hard time with it, because if they hear you were in the military, they think you're too crazy to be a cop.

 

[Rockslut]

excessive deadly force.

As compared to less than excessive deadly force?

Is that when you kill them dead?