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Articles of impeachment introduced against Bush?!

Robert 771 said:
Yeah, there's assholes on both sides, but that's not what he was talking about.

He was asking about actual solutions. And while the right has completely screwed the pooch trying to actually implement anything (mostly because they let the left run the show), I haven't heard anything out of the left that sounds like a solution at all...

Robert
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They aren't my guys, I haven't voted for a Democrat in 15 years. Don't really care for them all that much either.
 
I personally dont care for either side, but I vote republican b/c at least they are offering up solutions and attempting to do things. For the most part, democrats just want to argue shoot down any idea. Again, still just waiting for a democrat idea/solution/sensible thought.

AND again....I think there are bigger problems in this country and whether or not the President should be impeached. But...I dont see what crime he committed. YET again, even democrats (including Clinton, in 2003 no less) called for regime change in Iraq. Americans need to quit pretending they know the truth and know what's going on over here.

And no, I dont listen to Rush at all actually...

Radical Muslims as a whole are out to create a worldwide Islamic State. Can you look at a Muslim and tell whether or not they are radical? Nope. Can you talk to one and tell which they are? Nope. Due to my experience, I dont trust any of them. Even the ones who claim they love America and Americans....do they really? Or are they going by the whole "keep your friends close and enemies closer"....?
 
JNickel101 said:
I personally dont care for either side, but I vote republican b/c at least they are offering up solutions and attempting to do things. For the most part, democrats just want to argue shoot down any idea. Again, still just waiting for a democrat/republican idea/solution/sensible thought.blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah
AND again....I think there are bigger problems in this country and whether or not the President should be impeached. But...I dont see what crime he committed. YET again, even democrats (including Clinton, in 2003 no less) called for regime change in Iraq. Americans need to quit pretending they know the truth and know what's going on over here.blahblahblahblahblah
blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah
And no, I dont listen to Rush at all actually...blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah
blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah
Radical Muslims as a whole are out to create a worldwide Islamic State. Can you look at a Muslim and tell whether or not they are radical? Nope. Can you talk to one and tell which they are? Nope. Due to my experience, I dont trust any of them. Even the ones who claim they love America and Americans....do they really? Or are they going by the whole "keep your friends close and enemies closer"....?
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JNickel101 said:
...so the point is the IRONY of the democrats, they are calling for renewable energy, yet turn around and block it, citing killing birds and/or ruining landscape.

Yet again...still waiting for a democrat to state what their solution is to the "energy and economic crisis"

I have a feeling i'll be waiting for a while. at least republicans are trying things - democrats are so quick to point fingers and call out flaws, yet offer ZERO alternative solutions. You REALLY think that taxing windfall profits from big oil is going to lower gas prices or help the economy? Better yet, lets impeach Bush, that will solve our issues w/ oil prices and the economy!!!! What a joke....

Hasta
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JNickel101,

I liked the rest of your post, and I agree with it, so I only quoted the part I disagree with. You and several others have said this in recent posts, so I pulled the folowing from Obama's web site:

"Invest in a Clean Energy Future

  • Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.
  • Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
  • Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.
  • Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.
  • Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund: Obama will create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development. Obama will invest $10 billion per year into this fund for five years. The fund will partner with existing investment funds and our National Laboratories to ensure that promising technologies move beyond the lab and are commercialized in the U.S
  • Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
  • Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.
Support Next Generation Biofuels

  • Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol: Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.
  • Expand Locally-Owned Biofuel Refineries: Less than 10 percent of new ethanol production today is from farmer-owned refineries. New ethanol refineries help jumpstart rural economies. Obama will create a number of incentives for local communities to invest in their biofuels refineries.
  • Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by ten percent by 2020.
  • Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.
Set America on Path to Oil Independence

Obama's plan will reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030. This will more than offset the equivalent of the oil we would import from OPEC nations in 2030.
  • Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will double fuel economy standards within 18 years. His plan will provide retooling tax credits and loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that they can build new fuel-efficient cars rather than overseas companies. Obama will also invest in advanced vehicle technology such as advanced lightweight materials and new engines.
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030

  • Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.
  • Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters: Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.
  • Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage"
Found on:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
 
I wonder where he plans on getting those billions? :shhh:
 
President Bush stood up to terrorism, a dictator and ultimately to the American people and said "NO MORE!" 7 years after 9/11 we have not been attacked again, although President Bush has been attacked personally nearly daily.

President Clinton sat down and leaned back for Monica Lewinsky, then lied about it to the American people.

Bill Clinton deserved to be impeached and should have had the courage and honor to resign. But that is the problem isn't it? Many liberals see more grays or shades of what the truth is. "I never had sex with that woman.", for example.

Thank God we still have people in the country that can be elected to office to do what they believe is RIGHT and not bow, or cower to public pressure for political gain.

The last Democratic president that had any B@LLS was president Kennedy. We wouldn't see that kind of courage again until Regan, Bush 1st, and now Bush 2nd.
 
TRNDRVR said:
Exactly.

Besides, he's easy prey.
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LOL...you should go read that again. He was saying your post was pointless.

I'm easy prey...yeah, ok...and you have yet to make a post that has any intelligence or thought in it. You're kinda like the big dumb bully in school. Sure, you pick on kids because you might be "bigger" (after all, on the Internet, we're all huge, right?) - but in the end, you're still just an ass.

Face to face, I'd love to see what you had to say....keep hiding behind your keyboard, big boy.:D
 
Ecomike said:
JNickel101,

I liked the rest of your post, and I agree with it, so I only quoted the part I disagree with. You and several others have said this in recent posts, so I pulled the folowing from Obama's web site:

"Invest in a Clean Energy Future


  • Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.
  • Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
  • Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.
  • Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.
  • Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund: Obama will create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development. Obama will invest $10 billion per year into this fund for five years. The fund will partner with existing investment funds and our National Laboratories to ensure that promising technologies move beyond the lab and are commercialized in the U.S
  • Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
  • Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.
Support Next Generation Biofuels


  • Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol: Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.
  • Expand Locally-Owned Biofuel Refineries: Less than 10 percent of new ethanol production today is from farmer-owned refineries. New ethanol refineries help jumpstart rural economies. Obama will create a number of incentives for local communities to invest in their biofuels refineries.
  • Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by ten percent by 2020.
  • Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.
Set America on Path to Oil Independence

Obama's plan will reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030. This will more than offset the equivalent of the oil we would import from OPEC nations in 2030.

  • Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will double fuel economy standards within 18 years. His plan will provide retooling tax credits and loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that they can build new fuel-efficient cars rather than overseas companies. Obama will also invest in advanced vehicle technology such as advanced lightweight materials and new engines.
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030


  • Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.
  • Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters: Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.
  • Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage"
Found on:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
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Thats the first I've actually heard about anything the man has to say other than "Change" and "I wanna go talk to Iran and be friends".

I've come up with a new theory after reading and seeing what has been going on with the Dems lately....they're out to make us all drive hybrids, electric cars and get rid of our trucks and SUVs.

Biofuels would be great...but right now, the technology isnt all that profitable. I need to read more about how it affects food prices as well. But then again, I think we should quit paying farmers NOT to farm. Hell, let them grow sugar beets or whatever makes the best bio-diesel. Though I'm not sure its the solution. Doesn't bio diesel still release bad shit into the air? He has some lofty goals that I'm not sure are attainable...first Dem I've seen to actually provide ideas...

But yeah....he's gonna tax us to death. That combined with Nancy Pelosi and her Marxist plan to tax the shit out of our investments so that we can "give immigrants and unemployed minorities the kind of life they want and deserve" and damn...the rest of us still wont have money to buy gas.

Nancy The Socialist:

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below...............

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 20 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities! This woman is frightening.

She quotes...' We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.' (I am not rich, are you?)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'.' (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. 'Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it'.)

:twak:
 
JNickel101 said:
Thats the first I've actually heard about anything the man has to say other than "Change" and "I wanna go talk to Iran and be friends".

I've come up with a new theory after reading and seeing what has been going on with the Dems lately....they're out to make us all drive hybrids, electric cars and get rid of our trucks and SUVs.

Biofuels would be great...but right now, the technology isnt all that profitable. I need to read more about how it affects food prices as well. But then again, I think we should quit paying farmers NOT to farm. Hell, let them grow sugar beets or whatever makes the best bio-diesel. Though I'm not sure its the solution. Doesn't bio diesel still release bad shit into the air? He has some lofty goals that I'm not sure are attainable...first Dem I've seen to actually provide ideas...

But yeah....he's gonna tax us to death. That combined with Nancy Pelosi and her Marxist plan to tax the shit out of our investments so that we can "give immigrants and unemployed minorities the kind of life they want and deserve" and damn...the rest of us still wont have money to buy gas.

Nancy The Socialist:

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below...............

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 20 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities! This woman is frightening.

She quotes...' We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.' (I am not rich, are you?)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'.' (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. 'Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it'.)

:twak:
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That's not true, quite passing on lies. I don't like Pelosi but there's enough real criticism to be made based on reality.
 
JNickel101 said:
Thats the first I've actually heard about anything the man has to say other than "Change" and "I wanna go talk to Iran and be friends".

I've come up with a new theory after reading and seeing what has been going on with the Dems lately....they're out to make us all drive hybrids, electric cars and get rid of our trucks and SUVs.

Biofuels would be great...but right now, the technology isnt all that profitable. I need to read more about how it affects food prices as well. But then again, I think we should quit paying farmers NOT to farm. Hell, let them grow sugar beets or whatever makes the best bio-diesel. Though I'm not sure its the solution. Doesn't bio diesel still release bad shit into the air? He has some lofty goals that I'm not sure are attainable...first Dem I've seen to actually provide ideas...

But yeah....he's gonna tax us to death. That combined with Nancy Pelosi and her Marxist plan to tax the shit out of our investments so that we can "give immigrants and unemployed minorities the kind of life they want and deserve" and damn...the rest of us still wont have money to buy gas.

Nancy The Socialist:

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you're so darn stupid that we're going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That's what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below...............

Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren't going to believe this.

Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 20 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities! This woman is frightening.

She quotes...' We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn't Marx say something like this), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.' (I am not rich, are you?)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:
'We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as 'Americans'.' (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in. 'Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it'.)

:twak:
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Perhaps you guys have heard this one before. A friend sent it to me the other day, and I got a kick out of it...

I'm reminded of the time that Catherine, one of my son's friends when he was little, told me that she wanted to be President one day.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine - 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

Catherine replied - 'I would give new houses to all the homeless people. Then they would have a place of their own to live'

'Wow - what a worthy goal you have there, Catherine.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that, you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $15 dollars. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out and you can give him the $15 dollars to use for a new house.'

Catherine (who was about 4) thought that over for a second, while her mom looked at me seething, and Catherine replied, 'why doesn't the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can pay him the $15 dollars.'


I smiled and said: welcome to the Republican Party!!!
 
srimes said:
That's not true, quite passing on lies. I don't like Pelosi but there's enough real criticism to be made based on reality.
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What is the truth? Don't say, no you're wrong and not offer the correct info.

If that is true, it's retarded, and yes rather Communist. I would love to have my income equalized to Bill Gates, but I don't expect the gov't to tax the hell outta him to give me free money...
 
srimes said:
That's not true, quite passing on lies. I don't like Pelosi but there's enough real criticism to be made based on reality.
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LOL...ok, believe what you want....pretend it isn't true. These are the people we let take control of Congress...hate to break the news to you!

There's a reason that congress has an approval rating of less than 20%...and the Dems have only been in control since 2006!
 
Mudderoy said:
Perhaps you guys have heard this one before. A friend sent it to me the other day, and I got a kick out of it...

I'm reminded of the time that Catherine, one of my son's friends when he was little, told me that she wanted to be President one day.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine - 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

Catherine replied - 'I would give new houses to all the homeless people. Then they would have a place of their own to live'

'Wow - what a worthy goal you have there, Catherine.' I told her, 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that, you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $15 dollars. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out and you can give him the $15 dollars to use for a new house.'

Catherine (who was about 4) thought that over for a second, while her mom looked at me seething, and Catherine replied, 'why doesn't the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can pay him the $15 dollars.'


I smiled and said: welcome to the Republican Party!!!
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I love it!!!! :jester:
 
Ghost said:
I wonder where he plans on getting those billions? :shhh:
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:doh:
Our empty pockets.
 
Bent said:
:doh:
Our empty pockets.
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Last I heard they just print it at the US Treasury!:party:
 
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