Any Warn junkies out there???

[Georgia Mike]

OK,here's the deal:
I found a ratty old Scout II with a Warn winch on the front of it. The guy wanted $500 for it all. The Scout was in such bad shape that I knew my wife would lay a brick if I dragged it home with me. I told him I only wanted the winch,he said he didn't want to part it out. We finally came to an agreement and a deal was struck. He let me buy it alone. So,what is it? It's an old one,I can assure you of that It looks like an 8274,but it doesn't have the auto-brake cammed drum on the side,it just has a drum with a metal ring wrapped around it,and between the metal ring and drum is a lining of sorts,kind of like a leather strap or brake lining :dunno: What model is it? It says 8,000 lbs on it,but that's all thats really legible on the label. It needs the oil changed (what kind of oil? 90 weight?)and a new cable,but everything else works. Oh,all the controls are cable operated from inside the cab,but unfortunately,the only cable that works is the ON/OFF cable.:anon:

 

[Georgia Mike]

Aww COME ON!! Nobody can help me out? Anyone know Warn's web site addy off-hand so I can e-mail them for some info?

 

[Tucker]

www.warn.com

Sheesh, google came up with that without breathing hard. Did you try to find ct?

 

[Georgia Mike]

Not really I just wanted to write something other than "Aww COME ON!!" in my post,but thanks anyway!

 

[Ghost]

Jeeze! You get the Scoutt Too and bring it to me! Man we got to talk. Never pass up a perfectly good parts pig.

 

[Georgia Mike]

Well,there was nothing *absolutely good* about it :laugh: It was so rusted out that when I opened the door,the door jamb closed up so much that the door wouldn't even come close to shutting again I did,however,get to drive it! All of about 2 feet before it choked off, never got it started again :laugh:

 

[Cheropair]

Probably an 8074, I've got one. Most of the wear parts (clutch discs, bearings, solenoids) are the same as the 8274. Only big difference is no freespool. Power in. power out. Works just like the 8274.....
HTH

 

[Georgia Mike]

Mine will free spool,it just doesn't power out :dunno: Also,it doesn't have any solenoids at all. The power switch consists of all cable-operated stuff,all except one are broken. The one that does thankfully work is the power cable that controls a switch box of sorts. It's basically a throw-switch. The cable is hooked to the throw,and in turn when the cable is pulled,it connects the battery to the winch motor. I know all of this stuff may sound jerry-rigged,but the plate that all the cables run into under the dash has "WARN" on it,with labels printed on it for each cable's function. I e-mailed tech support at Warn and sent the serial #,too,just to see if they could give me any specifics on it. I was cruising through Bill Vista's articles and saw some Warn info on there,and he had the 8274 schematics for something like "30000000 and down" serial numbers. Mine must be older than dirt,then! 'Cause my serial # starts with "127xxxxx":anon:

 

[Georgia Mike]

OK,I found out what it is! It's called a Warn Belleview. I went over to the BinderBulletin site and a guy hooked me up with a web page all about it,and hopefully a parts source arty: Here's a link so you'll finally get to see what I've been describing:
http://www.ih8mud.com/tech/oldwarn.html

 

[Willis]

It's actually a 'Bellevue'. The Warn family owned a Jeep dealership in Kent, WA in the 40s. They contacted a machine shop in Portland, OR called Bellevue to make hubs that can unlock for on road driving. Bellevue made these hubs and Warn marketed them. Around 1960, a Bellevue machinist made the first electric winch, prior to that, they were all PTO. You could buy a Bellevue winch straight from Bellevue with out any Warn insignia on it. In the mid 70s Warn bought Bellevue ( Warn may have marketed the Bellevue before the purchase of Bellevue Machine, but I am not sure). They upgraded many components including the brake system to a disc type setup, along with many other things. My 8274 says, Warn Ind, Kent WA. I am not sure when they moved to their current facility in Clackamas, OR, or the year of my winch, but to tell you the truth, the Bellevue winches are not that desirable. I think you can upgrade many of the parts to the new style if so desired.

Also, my 8274 takes a specific amount (I want to say 6 oz) of NON-DETERGENT 30 weight. Warn can confirm this, they have a great customer service dept, give them a call.

Hope that helped some,
Steve

 

[Georgia Mike]

Yeah,that page says "1 Pint NON-DETERGENT 30 weight" for the lube. I has a fill level kind of like a transmission or t-case. You fill it until the oil starts to come out of the little hole,and it's full. Why do you say it's undesireable? Just curious. It seems to be fairly quick,and if I can fix the brake cable,that issue will be resolved. I'm still waiting to hear back from Warn on any specifics on it. Do you know how difficult it would be to swap it over to the auto-brake like the 8274?

 

[Willis]

I think the power out, and brake functions (the 8274 brake is a better design) make the 8274 more desirable. Picking up an old 8274, and an old Bellevue costs about the same amount. I had to put a new motor on my 8274, it was about $230. But it is the newest high HP design. I'd like to know what parts can be upgraded, and if it is worth is or not. I've seen used working 8274 going for 3-400 ish. If you have to buy a motor, solenoids (cause they'd be different for power in/out), cover, solenoid mounting plate, brake assembly and other misc items, it might be better to just buy a used 8274. That is of course if you plan on making it 'as good' as an 8274. I have no first hand experience with the Bellevue winches, but have seen them on a lot of old wheelers (since they were sold here locally, firsthand). Wish I knew a bit more on the technical side of these winches to help you out. Check on Pirate, or SNORT. SNORT would be a pretty good place because a lot of the guys on there have been around here (the northwest) wheeling for a long time, and probably have experience with them.

 

[Georgia Mike]

Well,it does seem to work OK on the ground I tried it out on the Scout it was on and it seemed to do fine. I'll see at Tellico in July how good it actually is. As far as reverse is concerned,I had a winch once before,a Ramsey REP 8000. That thing was slow as Christmas! I swore to never buy another slow winch again! But anyway,back to the point,I never,not even once,had to use reverse for anything,so,I don't think not having it would be all that bad. As far as the braking is concerned,I just need to fix the cable and it should work OK for the moderate wheeling I do BTW,I'm not familiar with SNORT. What site is it? Thanks!

 

[Willis]

S.N.O.R.T (Sweaty Nipples Off Road Team). www.snort4x4.com . Mostly Northwest guys, but quite a few national members just for the tech. Most if not all of these guys are also found on Pirate, but they won't flame you on SNORT just for being a newbie.

 

[Stig]

The M-8274 stands for 8 (8000 lbs) 2 (2-way) 74 (introduced in 1974). WARN INDUSTRIES, INC., actually bought the rights to the Bellevue winch in mid-60's.

Our company, BG nor in Norway, was one of the first exportcustomers at WARN in 1968 or 1969.

I can't remember 100%, but I believe that you can change the axle shaft that goes to the brake with the one from M-8274. M-8274-50 is pretty much the same winch as the M-8274, but -50 indicates WARN's 50th anniversary.

If you contact WARN at (503) 722-1200 and ask for Tom Telford you will actually speak to one of the engineers that has been in charge for this winchmodel for many, many years. Tom is also an avid off-roader responsible for the axle and Jeep program from WARN.

 

[Georgia Mike]

Cool! Thanks for the info.

 

[ToyotaGuy]

I know this thread is super old. I thought i would add to the info though. These are super sought after winches, ( i have one my self) in europe there are winch junkies that make adaptors to run 2 3 or 4 motors, and extended spools. You can upgrade the motor to the newer much more powerful motors as well to increase line speed and load. I live down the street from Warn. They are such a great company, i have walked around their manufacturing department several times and had the tech pull parts off the line for my winch (under warrantee)

Either way the parts are no longer in production by warn, there are several new parts you can make fit, and several people making new parts like the motor adaptor. There is also a guy in texas who buys these and parts them out on ebay. The Warn techs swear the 8k stamp was simply because they guessed. It can do much much more than 8k and even more if you upgrade the motor.

Check out

This page has tons of cool pics and some hard core winch builds
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=661678&page=2


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382401 for a stock rebuild write-up

and
http://www.flaminfabrications.com.au/ for parts

this is kinda a different idea of dual motors without your winch wider
http://www.gigglepin4x4.net/index.html