Any vegetarians?

The advice to ease into it is good advice, your body is used to a certain rhythm. Shocking it with drastic changes isn't likely good.
I tend not to get fanatical about anything, if you get hungry for protein, do it, mother nature likely knows best. No matter what the fad of the month is.
I'm allergic to Tofu and some other legumes.
I've cut way back on meat and milk, but still feed my cravings on occasion.
You might try eating seasonally, what could be more natural than that. Berries and veggies in the spring, berries and grains in the summer, grains and nuts in the fall along with seasonal fruits. Feed your fat cravings in the fall, even if it's vegetable or olive oil. A little meat or dairy isn't gonna hurt anything and is likely needed for a well rounded diet.
Funny, tooth decay was largely not a problem, before man learned how to mill grains. This may be a tipoff, on what kind of diet we were really designed to eat.
 
Ya...ahhhh...I don't...ummm...eat meat either....aaaa..."LOOK PHEASANT!" BAM (pump sound of shot gun) BAM!

Why the heck can't they eat eggs? It's not like your forcing it out of the tasty, delicious, mouth watering chicken.
 
There are alot of good veggie meals, I've gone without meat for a week or two at at time when I get on a veg kick but then start missing things like 8mud said. It's like your body telling you it needs it so be prepared for that. A nice veggie/Chedder omlette in the morning cooked in a tad of olive oil keeps my engine running for about 5 hours, without something like that in the morning I'm using one had to keep my head from hitting the desktop or workbench by 10am. That parts bad because I then over compensate for lunch.
Ruby Tuesdays has this nice little item, 2 miniburgers and full salad bar, very nice balance, I can gorge on the salad bar keeping my little green man happy, and my wife, and still satisfy my carnivore side with the two min-burgers. I just don't eat the fries..
 
Whatever you do, take a daily multi-vitamin to compensate for what you may be missing. From what i understand, not that I eat alot of it, but red meat has vitamin B-12 which you can't get from any other food source.
Second, its easy to forget when eating vegan or vegetarian, that your muscles need protein and if you do alot of physical activity, it needs protein in proportion to the activity. I have relatives who were vegans for many years and if anybody did it right, they did. They became very studied on the subject. Nonetheless, eventually they started to have health problems and their doctor told them that they had to start eating animal protein.

Just food for thought,... Har, har. :^ )
 
Vegetables are like meat's nerdy little sidekick. Sure they're great, but only when meat's around. Watch Tommy Boy. Chris Farley is meat. Hilarious. David Spade is vegetables. Also hilarious. Then watch Joe Dirt. Vegetables aren't so funny on their own, are they? That's right, they aren't.
 
Kyle Petterson said:
Vegetables are like meat's nerdy little sidekick. Sure they're great, but only when meat's around. Watch Tommy Boy. Chris Farley is meat. Hilarious. David Spade is vegetables. Also hilarious. Then watch Joe Dirt. Vegetables aren't so funny on their own, are they? That's right, they aren't.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA best one ive heard yet hahhahah thanks!
 
do your research and be prepared to spend some cash... it's definately not an easy lifestyle. I decided to go vegan on a whim (not whipped!!!!!!) even though my wife has been vegan since we met. Go out, look for specialty food stores that stock vegan/vegitarian foods. Be prepared to have cravings for the first 3 months.


Definately worth it in my book. I've lost 30 lbs already and cut my cholestorol in half. (my family has an absolutely horrible track record of heart desease)


so far so good....


what are you looking to cook for her???

breakfast lunch or dinner??? I'll post up some of my faves!!!
 
Tip for cooking tofu: the more water you squeeze out the more tasty it becomes. I reckon this is becuase it absorbs more of the seasonings that it is being prepared in.

My wife makes a wicked curry asparagus tofu meal. Very good. We aren't vegetarians by any stretch. Variety is the spice of life.
 
Hey,

Tofu comes in differently levels of firmness...no kiddin.

Asians are big tofu eaters...and being from Asian decent, I know this.

You can get tofu so soft that it basically falls apart as soon as you touch it...good for soups.

And then you can get 'firm' tofu that you can basically bounce a quarter off of...good for slicing, dicing and frying...even grilling.

If you go to a decent food market, they should at least have two types of tofu...soft and firm...but there are more variations out there...

my favorite...take a block of firm tofu...slice into slabs about 1/8" thick and fry like an egg...lightly brown on each side...serve with onions and tobasco sauce...good eats...
 
when I try and fry tofu, it still seems kinda gelatinous inside. It's got the consistency of an egg that wasn't scrambled long enough. Is that normal, and somehting I should get used to, or can you get a more firm consistency by freezing it? I hear it makes it a little spongier.
 
I think the problem is the type of tofu you are using...from what you are describing, looks like you got the soft type.

If you can I would find a firmer tofu...there should be some sort of label on the package indicating which type it is.

I'm not sure it will work, but you might trying frying it longer at a lower heat setting...that might work, or might not...

good luck.
 
Thats not food.....thats what food eats :jester:
 
old_man said:
Thats not food.....thats what food eats :jester:

Studies of hunter/gatherers (everybody's ancestors at some time) show that, except in extreme environments like the arctic, hunting brings in about 20% of the total calories that the group consumes ('hunting' may be fishing or whatever it is the men do to bring home protein). The other 80% of the calories are provided by the women and children out gathering. Granted, some of what they are gathering is animal: eggs, reptiles, small mammals, birds, insects - even fish, if that's not taboo for the women. The gathered proteins account for perhaps another 10% of the groups total caloric intake. The remaining 70% is plant materials.

Considering that we are not chimpanzees, who get around 80% of their calories from fruit pulp, and we're not gorillas, who get most of their calories from mature leaves and stems, what plant materials would our ancestors have eaten? Why not concentrate on fruit, like the chimpanzee? Probably because you'd have to have stayed in the trees to make that work. Plus, you would be restricted to tropical forests where fruits are available year 'round. Why not mature leaves and stems, like the gorilla? Well, look at the gorilla. The teeth and musculature required are huge. And look at the gut you'd need. Sure, you can get big browsing on leaves, but like any browser, the gorilla spends 80-90% of its waking hours eating. That doesn't leave much time for civilization, and you'd still be restricted to climates where fresh leaves are available all year. So, not just meat, not just fruit, and not mature leaves and stems. But with a few tools to gain access to roots, bulbs and tubers you can put together a menu that will serve in almost any climate around the world.

20-30% animal: mammal, bird, reptile, fish, insect - even arachnid. Almost anything that moves. Hunted and/or gathered.

50-60% plant: By bulk, the most common plant material available through the growing season is, not mature but immature leaves, stems and shoots. We can't eat bamboo leaves, but we can eat bamboo shoots. We can eat the young leaves of almost anything that isn't poisonous. We can eat the young stems of any number of plants. In the off season, bulbs, roots and tubers store the energy for the next growing season. They are always available with a little digging. If the ground where you live freezes, then you have to harvest just before the freeze, but the bulbs and roots and tubers will last in storage all winter. Even today, just walk along the produce counter. Look at the number of items that are either leaves, stems, shoots, bulbs, roots or tubers. The vast majority of counter space is taken up by leaves, stems, shoots, bulbs, roots and tubers.

20% fruits and seeds. Of course, today we eat a lot of grass seed. Wheat, rice, oats, barley, maize, ets. are all grass seed. However, until very late in time our ancestors didn't bother. Probably about 10,000 years ago they started boiling seeds. As an energy source they're great. Collect enough and they will last you through the winter. Accidentally drop some at camp and you don't even have to go anywhere to collect it. So, civilization was built on cultivated grass seed.

At the same time, they probably started boiling legumes. Or, rather they probably started boiling legumes and then extended the practice to grass seeds. Why legumes first? Because they would have been eating immature legume pods (e.g., green beans) anyway. But, what do you do with the beans once the pods have become too matured to eat? If you find soaking them makes them softer, and boiling them makes them digestible, then extending boiling to grass seeds is not that big a step.

Looking back before civilization, fruits and seeds were not that big a deal. There's plenty of vitamin C in green leaves, if you eat enough of them. Immature leaves, stems and shoots are produced throughout the growing season, but fruits and seeds are seasonal. You have to live somewhere like the tropics that supports continuous fruiting, or you have to wait months for them. Certainly, fruits and seeds were important to the diet of our ancestors, but not the extreme that cereals are in our diet, today. However, it was important that seasonal items be given the full attention of the group when they came in season. It's interesting to note that it is almost universally taboo for women to involve themselves with the men's hunting, but when it comes time to gather a seasonal item like a particular fruit or seed, the men will always forgo hunting to help gather. Everyday stuff (leaves, eggs, bugs, etc) the women and children handle on their own, but when a fruit or seed (or nut - don't forget nuts) come in season, the entire group joins together to make sure they get as much as possible. Why is it that the women are prevented from helping on the hunt, but the men will always help gather? Because, for the survival of the group, you cannot affort to cut into the time the women and children spend gathering. On the other hand, it is vitally important that key elements for winter survival are collected when the time comes. In the end, gathering is more important than hunting.

So, short version: Leaves (lettuce, kale, spinach, etc.), stems (celery, leaks, rhubarb, etc.), shoots (almost any immature shoot or sprout that is not poisonous), pods (peas, snap beans, and any number of pods that don't make it to the supermarket anymore), roots (carrots, parsnips, radish, etc.), bulbs (onions, etc.), animal, and finally, tubers (potato, sweet potato, etc.), fruits, seeds and nuts. The bulbs, roots, tubers, seeds and nuts, with preserved (usually jerked) animal will see you through the winter. The growing season is supported by leaves, stems, shoots/sprouts, pods, and animals.

Oh, and beyond about 2 years of age our hunter/gatherer ancestors had no access to anything dairy.
 
I was vegetarian for over a year and a half simply because I tried it on a dare for 2 weeks and ended up liking very much how it made me feel. ..A meat-free diet made me feel cleaner, i didn't get as oily, sweat as much, or smell as bad. ..I seemed to always have more energy, probably because I made a concious effort to get all my vit's and min's, versus eating a steak with the presumption of it giving me all of my necessities. Remember that peanuts and peanut butter are your friend, they have good fats, calories, and ample protein. Enjoy a good protein smoothie for brunch everyday, the best I've found without spending too much was about 55g's of protein per serving at a local smoothie shop(SmoothieKing.) ..That's pretty good, since most men as active as I assume most of us here are, we should be getting 1 gram of protein per Lb of body weight. ..Check out Kashi "Go Lean" cereal too, lots of fiber and protein. Also, if you can't find all the protein you need without it, one normal-size can of tuna has around 35g's.

You gotta get on a multivitamin, and a B-complex on top of it. ...Here's an interesting, little-known fact, if you don't get enough B12, your penis can shrink. ..It happens, believe me, haha. ..Even if you aren't concerned with losing an inch or two, lack of B12 will leave you feeling dehydrated all the time no matter how much water you drink, it's a real crappy feeling.

If you need any other help, shoot me a PM. ..I've got tips for days when it comes to maintaining a cheap vegetarian diet, I was on tour making $5/day for most of my veggie experience, haha.
 
While I enjoy this coffee, I'm seriously thinking about tackling this friggin deer eating my roses in the backyard, choking the life out of it and eating a huge chunk of its neck raw for breakfast...
 
Beej said:
While I enjoy this coffee, I'm seriously thinking about tackling this friggin deer eating my roses in the backyard, choking the life out of it and eating a huge chunk of its neck raw for breakfast...

Entirely acceptable. The 20% calories from hunting certainly included venison. For balance, you might want to have a salad with your deer.
 
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