Any Non religious people here?

You guys are all in my mind set.

Im taking a world relgions class, and I can respect everything but Christianity.
War
Hate
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Im somewhat of a spirtualist, but I WILL NOT base my life on events that happened, or didn't happen 2000 years ago.

By "not religious" I mean I don't participate in any ORGANIZED religion.

As with every human endeavor, their exists human fault. Before you condemn any religion, I suggest you do more of your own research. Here is a little tidbit of information--people LIE to you, especially people with agendas. Put teachers and professors high on the list of people with agendas. Get a good formal education so you can be a highly paid and productive member of society (especially paying copious amounts into the social security system), but to truly be EDUCATED you are going to have to do that on your own.

Don't think your professor has an agenda? Challenge him/her on their positions. If you can handle a D-, that is.
 
I just live my life the way i think it should be lived by surrounding myself with good people and doing the right thing, I don't need a book or somebody to preach to me that i have to live a certain way or i will go to Hell, yea no thanks
 
By "not religious" I mean I don't participate in any ORGANIZED religion.

As with every human endeavor, their exists human fault. Before you condemn any religion, I suggest you do more of your own research. Here is a little tidbit of information--people LIE to you, especially people with agendas. Put teachers and professors high on the list of people with agendas. Get a good formal education so you can be a highly paid and productive member of society (especially paying copious amounts into the social security system), but to truly be EDUCATED you are going to have to do that on your own.

Don't think your professor has an agenda? Challenge him/her on their positions. If you can handle a D-, that is.

The class doesn't have any stance. It's simply a history of many faiths.

The professor doesnt tell us what she thinks, we just learn about the origins of all the religions.
 
"I do like your Christ. I do not like your Christians - they are so unlike your Christ." -Mahatma Ghandi.

I wish I could remember who said, "I don't have any trouble with God - I just don't like His fan club."

My problem with religion tends to be when the individual practitioners are such that they feel the need to constantly proselytise. When someone feels the need to drag God into the conversation by the heels within the first two minutes, I tend to tune out.

I see Faith as a largely personal matter - I don't care how you worship, and you shouldn't care how I worship. I've never had any trouble with "Orthodox" (lifelong/raised Christians, for instance) like my son's in-laws. Or like some people I've met here. They can keep their faith to themselves, they don't need to haul it into conversations, they don't preach, and they can talk about pretty much anything without dragging God in by the heels. This, I like. I figure about two-thirds of Catholics (in general) and most of your "lifelong" Christians are like this.

The ones that are most irritating to me are "Born-again" Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses - they've got to drag God in at the earliest opportunity. This gets tiresome rapidly.

Jews are great - they don't preach, and they don't have a Hell (probably why they don't preach. I'm not 100% sure of the causal relationship - it may be the other way about.)

Zen, Tao, and Shaolin tend to be more about development of the life now - the first two with the mind, and the last with the mind and body as a unit.

Buddhism follows the teachings of a man (not a Deity,) and simply believe in doing the best you possibly can to help others.

Hindoos tend to be wonderful people (although you often cannot understand them - the Hindi accent takes a little practise...) because they're trying to "climb the ladder" to Brahmin, which is the level from which they ascent to Divinity. But, they don't preach either - they just help where possible, and share what they have. They do expect you to do much the same in return - but when you can, and when you are able.

My wife is Spiritualist/Deist, and I'm more Agnostic than anything else. Granted, she's got friends that are deeply Christian, but they don't preach to us (I just have to be careful not to swear when I smack myself in the thumb with a hammer while I'm working over there. I usually do fairly well...) that last point before the parenthetical note is why we get along so well - we know they're Christian, they know we're not, and we'll talk about pretty much anything else. Ditto my son's in-laws - they're primarily Ukrainian, therefore Orthodox, but they know we're not - as long as we respect their beliefs, they'll respect ours. We'll bow our heads and be quiet while they're praying over dinner if we're over there, we'll stay nice and civil while we're there, and we'll talk about pretty much everything except religion. Works neatly.

Considering they and their daughter have even managed to civilise our older son (he's even going to church with them on Sundays!) it's not necessarily a bad thing. And, they're damned solid people in their own right.

"Catholic - doesn't matter what you do, as long as you tell someone."

"Baptist - doesn't matter what they dunk you in, as long as you go under."
 
I've walked, run and been pushed thru too many hells and survived when afterwards I can see no reason I made it and buddies did not. I'm pretty personal about my beliefs and don't wear them on my sleeve. As for church, its just social, I do work volunteer stuff like the food pantry and I do attend the covered dish dinners but that is because the food is so good. next couple should see a preponderance of venison, elk and other game dishes, yummy.
Attend church, maybe 3 times a year unless someone I know dies.
Never had much use for ministers, priests, etc, never had much use for the trappings either.
I guess I'm pretty much with 5-90 and jnickel in that respect.
 
I just live my life the way i think it should be lived by surrounding myself with good people and doing the right thing, I don't need a book or somebody to preach to me that i have to live a certain way or i will go to Hell, yea no thanks

Well Said Dude! :cheers:

"I do like your Christ. I do not like your Christians - they are so unlike your Christ." -Mahatma Ghandi.

I like that! Ghandi was a very cool dude the way it sounds!
 
Every religion has their own definition of "good"

Some believe you must kill certain other people to reach good afterlife...

Others believe you should have lots of wives...

Others believe you have to pay to get there (to heaven), otherwise you sit in a waiting area....these are the same who listen to leaders who like young boys....and are full of "conspiracies"....

Others think you should keep your mouth shut, respect everyone and everything, make beer and live a really simple life....

I like the last group the most....


ha ha, well said.

:cheers:
 
Never felt the need to justify my existence on this earth. Never needed "faith" in a higher power to give me a reason to be a decent person and know right from wrong. Also never felt the reason to force my beliefs on anyone, or say "if you don't think like me, you're going to die and go to hell!!!".

I've just always thought I was strong-minded/willed enough to get by on my own....plus I've found that a lot of, if not most, "religious" people are:

Hypocritcal
Fanatical
"Always right"
Missing a lot from life
Weak-minded
Lost, searching for answers/explanations
You just described most of humanity. Shucks, "religious" people consist of humanity.
Most of us don't use our faith as a reason to be better people, or to justify our existence. I can get by on my own, yet I am humble enough to realize that there's more than this, more than me, out there.
 
I see Faith as a largely personal matter - I don't care how you worship, and you shouldn't care how I worship. I've never had any trouble with "Orthodox" (lifelong/raised Christians, for instance) like my son's in-laws. Or like some people I've met here. They can keep their faith to themselves, they don't need to haul it into conversations, they don't preach, and they can talk about pretty much anything without dragging God in by the heels. This, I like. I figure about two-thirds of Catholics (in general) and most of your "lifelong" Christians are like this.

The ones that are most irritating to me are "Born-again" Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses - they've got to drag God in at the earliest opportunity. This gets tiresome rapidly.

I'm with you on that one. All my family knows I don't believe in organized religion but when my mom died my aunt sent me a god damn card with a prayer in it and said they would pray for me and said I should look at my bible(I have 3 bibles and a bunch of other religious books) for guidance.

I called her and I was pissed. Seriously... you take advantage of MY MOTHERS DEATH when I'm fawking 19 to try and convert me? Screw you.
 
She was reaching out to you based on her love for you, her nephew. She believed that you may find some comfort. I say this all the time, but if you see someone drowning, would you toss them the life jacket and tell them to doggy paddle, or sit back and wait for them to figure it out because you're afraid of offending them?
 
Others before self.
 
You guys are all in my mind set.

Im taking a world relgions class, and I can respect everything but Christianity.
War
Hate
Fear

Im somewhat of a spirtualist, but I WILL NOT base my life on events that happened, or didn't happen 2000 years ago.

Judaism, Islam and Christianity all have the same roots. The Genesis creation story originates from long before the Torah was ever written - by thousands of years.

Given that all 3 are intertwined, I'm not sure I understand how you can say you don't respect Christianity, but you respect the two who have been fighting over a worthless piece of land and hating each other for thousands of years, killing each other, stealing, looting, being greedy - all in the name of their "God".


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I think this one is my favorite though:

Scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard in his book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. While views on the origin/creation of the universe as a whole are unclear, the creation of the modern man is laid out in a highly secretive creation myth. 75 million years ago, Xenu was the leader of the Galactic Federation, a federation of 76 planets that had already existed for 20 million years. Many of the planets at the time suffered from massive overpopulation. As leader of the Galactic Federation, Xenu implemented a policy in which trillions of people were either frozen or killed and then sent to a planet known as Teegeeack (now Earth). Xenu placed the frozen souls near volcanoes and then bombed the volcanoes, destroying the remaining souls. These dead souls were later reactivated by electric forces from the Earth, in which they returned to life and entered the bodies of humans and remain there today...
 
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