Another shooting....

If only the poor principal would have had one of CW’s WMD’s things would have had a chance to turn out different.

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I was thinking the same thing. Not every teacher needs to be armed, just a few select, well trained staff members. Could even be a janitor.

But, like many law enforcement agencies, I also think the more firearms there are out there, the more firearm violence will be seen. I think that is how this kook got his guns. His mom was a recreational shooter. Another case of guns easily falling into the wrong hands.
There's always gonna be kooks. But the damage they cause can be limited through various means including arming the right citizens, and using common sense where recreational firearms are accessible.:flame:
 
Having every teacher have a gun in every classroom is asking for trouble. All it takes is one slip.... a child gets a hold of a weapon and intentionally or unintentionally hurts some one with it

What i do believe is that SOMEONE maybe a select few should be allowed to carry. Going back on the tragedy that just happened, could have been stopped completely or cut short by one person with a weapon.

Im not a crazy right wing gun fanatic, but restricting the 2nd amendment right is downright ludicrous.
 
I'm really unsure how you can diagnose such people under the best of circumstances... especially in tough economic times.
I was reading something the other day. The statistic that stuck in my head was about our inability to figure out which nut-cases will become violent nut-cases. Apparently trained psychiatrists, looking for the problem, only manage to find about 10%.
Not sure how they arrived at that conclusion. Have somebody with a serious mental problem, dock says, "This one will be OK." and they're not. OK, that's a miss. So the doc says,"This one's going to pop." Then what? They leave the guy to see if they were right?

No need to apologize for the misinformation of the press. Yesterday they said he did all the shooting in the school with handguns,.. today he did it all with a rifle.
 
Our schools have a armed police officer in them at the middle/high school level. Not at the primary school level. I would imagine most school systems are like that now.

But think about it for a minute. Your surrounded by kids, confronted by a gunman and your also thinking of your safety as well. After all if you go down then the gunman is going to take them all out. So you decide do I drop him here on the spot and hope a stray bullet doesn't take a kid out. I don't know in this case if this madman could have been stopped safely once he entered the building. I think the principle did all she could with her two hands. He was going to kill everyone he could and save the last bullet for himself.

The media circus that ensues after these events just fuels another demented mind into getting their 5 min of fame.

I love kids, I coach youth sports and have done so since 1993. I'm always aware of my surroundings on the field and I have one coach that has crowd control duty. I have always feared that a violent ex spouse may do something stupid and jeopardize a kid. We are always prepared to take action if we have to but you never know how it will go down.
 
It was a logical exercise. I prefer allowing schools to be CC zones instead of gun-free. This way the bad guy will have no idea who is prepared to defend themselves and those who are carrying are trained and comfortable with using a firearm to protect themselves.


This is the only part of your guys argument i can go along with. People who have allready gotten a CCW should be allowed to carry just about anywhere. Liberals cite obama letting guns into national parks as him being pro gun, but that shit is retarded. Not letting legal guns onto a campus has never (as far as i know) cost lives.

High capacity mags are my biggest issue... theres no legit use for 90 round ar15 mags, or 30 round glock mags. Not for hunting, not for plinking, not for self defense.

Personally, i hate kids, and could care less about this... just thought i'd voice that.
 
Having every teacher have a gun in every classroom is asking for trouble. All it takes is one slip.... a child gets a hold of a weapon and intentionally or unintentionally hurts some one with it

x2, that shit is retarded. Republicans (more realistically the pro gun crowd) love living in some kind of fantasy john mclain world, where some hero is gonna BOOM HEADSHOT! everyone they dislike, but thats not how shit goes down, and that argument is face palm worthy.
 
Personally, i hate kids, and could care less about this... just thought i'd voice that.
Sheesh, those little guys were cute as heck. I get choked up everytime I watch the news.... and than I get mad.


But think about it for a minute. Your surrounded by kids, confronted by a gunman and your also thinking of your safety as well. After all if you go down then the gunman is going to take them all out. So you decide do I drop him here on the spot and hope a stray bullet doesn't take a kid out. I don't know in this case if this madman could have been stopped safely once he entered the building. I think the principle did all she could with her two hands. He was going to kill everyone he could and save the last bullet for himself..
The way the news channel explained the confrontation between the shooter and the principal along with the school psychiatrist it seems unlikely they would be able to stop him even if they were armed - that incident happened far too quickly. It's more likely, the shooter would have two more guns instead.


I was reading something the other day. The statistic that stuck in my head was about our inability to figure out which nut-cases will become violent nut-cases. Apparently trained psychiatrists, looking for the problem, only manage to find about 10%.
Now they're saying his mother was a survivalist who stockpiled food, water and guns. The mailperson said she seemed "off". Lord knows what we'll hear tomorrow.
 
High capacity mags are my biggest issue... theres no legit use for 90 round ar15 mags, or 30 round glock mags. Not for hunting, not for plinking, not for self defense.

What about an 11 round mag in a 9mm

That lovely Pig FineSwine is pushing a bill getting rid of ALL semi autos including the possession of them. That means they would come for guns. Not just ban the sale. It would also ban anything over a ten round mag. Not 30, 60 or 90. Ten.
 
High capacity mags are my biggest issue... theres no legit use for 90 round ar15 mags, or 30 round glock mags. Not for hunting, not for plinking, not for self defense.
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Sure there is. A 'militia' should be able at any time to make a solid stand against any tyrant large or small.

Now i know im gonna hear something about out dated this or that. But keeping it strictly legal, what is the arguement against it. If someone decides against large capacity for me. They are infringing on my right to participate in the neccessary militia. as being limited in my armorment limits my ability to fullfil that task effectively.

So to fight that aspect you need to remember that you have to make it legal AND still abide by the constitution.


Secondly, in district of columbia v. heller (2008) precedent was set by the supreme court that even outside of the bounds of militia, the second amendment protected individual rights to use fire arms for otherwise lawful use(in the home or self defense)
The case also held that prefatory claus as interpreted by the court stemmed from concern for the fed gov disarming its citizens, therefore eliminating the militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule...eliminating the concept of militia all together - which ties the 2nd amendment....


So now you need to make a law that still is agreeable with being constitutional, but you also have to overturn precedent.



Any bill presented will undoubtedly cross both lines, will be argued and cases will end up in SCOTUS, where history will undoubtedly be made.
This whole scenario the US finds itself in as of late is not the end, the beggining of the end, but the end of the begining.
 
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x2, that shit is retarded. Republicans (more realistically the pro gun crowd) love living in some kind of fantasy john mclain world, where some hero is gonna BOOM HEADSHOT! everyone they dislike, but thats not how shit goes down, and that argument is face palm worthy.

Fear is universal, cowardly nut job shoots up a school because he knows there will not be any guns, if someone shoots back it instills fear, so he fights harder, takes his life or runs, all 3 situations give more kids a chance to get to safety. If the principal had a gun it would have slowed him down and we may have more kids living.

So no we don’t think someone will get shot in the head, but I will remind you that it was the Dems that decided nut jobs should be free and changed the laws so we could not lock them up until after they committed a crime.

Fact is on 911 one plane had heroes on it, who willingly decided they were not going to be victims at the hands of s*itheads with box cutters.

And as much as it would hurt if my child was killed in a tragedy like this, I could handle it much better if it were a stray bullet from someone trying to save lives.

You will never stop this stuff because we will always have stupid parents that will not “invade” little Eric and Dylan’s "space" to see that they are making propane bombs. Unless that is you want to have the state take away kids and let the state handle parenting, in which case I am very happy I have my gun(s!)
 
High capacity mags are my biggest issue... theres no legit use for 90 round ar15 mags, or 30 round glock mags. Not for hunting, not for plinking, not for self defense.
could you have used a more ridiculous # of rounds for a magazine? i do understand that you dont know the difference between a magazine and a clip so maybe thats why you went way overboard.........

Sure there is. A 'militia' should be able at any time to make a solid stand against any tyrant large or small.

foreign or domestic
 
You anti-gun guys want to know why the average gun owner wants a 90 round mag? the gun gets hot and you would rather spend your time at the range shooting than loading a clip.

And if it just so happens that the good guy has 90 rounds and bad guy has 30, well that is just a bonus.

Having said that I could get my head around protective gear, vests, helmets, stuff like that. I welcome that debate, if someone gets into your house you are not going to have time to put it on and deer don’t shoot back. Only exception would be if there is threats against your life.
 
I think it is funny people are worried about large capacity magazines and the damage they cause.

Of the recent shootings:
How many shots were fired?
How many successful reloads?
How many hits were actually made?
How many jams were successfull cleared in a quick amount of time?

I can think of a number of older gentlemen who prefer lever actions and super black hawks to ar's and glocks. and despite the ammo capacity downfall, could fire/reload at an alarming rate, hit more accurately, and be far more "effective" with their pistol/rifle.

It isnt the weapon, or how many rounds it holds. The people doing this crap are not 'plinkers' or 'gun activists' or well versed in gun control/use. It is the uninformed, untrained, off the wall jack ass that does something. So how does disarming the folks that dont fly off the handle help? Maybe work on informing the rest of the folks. :dunno: Just seems more common sense to take a proactive action and educate people than to freak out.
 
What about an 11 round mag in a 9mm

That lovely Pig FineSwine is pushing a bill getting rid of ALL semi autos including the possession of them. That means they would come for guns. Not just ban the sale. It would also ban anything over a ten round mag. Not 30, 60 or 90. Ten.

Some of his tiny victims were riddled with as many as 11 bullets
-- heraldsun.com.au

I don't think the average person needs an assault rifle (handguns and rifles are plenty fine IMO). I said this before and I said it again, if you need an assault rifle to defend your home than its time to face the stark reality that you're living in a filthy cr*phole. Save the money you would otherwise spend on that assault rifle (or whatever term the NRA calls them these days) and move your family someplace less crappy. Moreso, high capacity clips serve little purpose in the real world. If you need a high capacity clip to defend your home than you have no business owning a gun in the first place. Go back to the target range until you learn how you use a gun effectively using a regular clip. Bigger guns aren't the answer; it's training.

BTW, using pig comments towards those of Jewish decent; classy. Extra points for using the German term – swine – instead. You get a gold swastika.
 
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