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Amend a by-law.......LET THE VOTING BEGIN.....

Ok I had another read off the bylaws. The definition is for a “sponsored event or a trip” if a run is not a trip than I am indeed confused, and you will need to explain it more clearly. The bylaws were no doubt written for the lawyers in order for NAXJA to incorporate and I am no lawyer. However it dose seam to me that you are mistaken in your assertion that a “SC run” would not fall under the NAXJA definition (Event: A NAXJA sponsored activity as defined by the requirements of these bylaws)of an event. If not a “sponsored event or a trip” than what? And, if it is not a sponsored event than why would the SC feel it could collect any dues? It’s not sponsoring the event? Help me out here.
 
:oops: As I reread my post, I realized I could be taken as a bit harsh on the orginization and perhaps officers, That is not how I wanted to come across. I think they are doing an excellent job, and are not getting the credit or appreciation they deserve.

I will offer to take on one of the runs I and others have suggested and organize/lead it. I don't want to overstep my authority though so I would appreciate it if one of the officers would asign me one. I am certainly not very experienced, but I have run fordyce a couple of times. So maybe that would be a good one for me. Give me a trail and a month, and I will take it from there.
 
Thanks Chuck! I agree with the $30 a year and then we dont have this disagreement about what is a run and what is a sponsered event. The bottom line is that the SC needs some sort of fees or something so we can operate. There are things such as chapter sickers that are being paid for out of an individuals pocket which the club should have the ability to reimburse the funds. No matter what we will all benefit!!! I think that we should start another thread and push the calender of events and really keep up on it. If we want to do just the $30 a yaer we will need another motion for it and I am not sure how that all works. So I will start the run thread and I would appreciate the support and ideas to flow. Thanks!!!
 
ok well i have a question? do u have to be a member of naxja to be a member of the seirra chapter?? because i don't want to be a member of naxja? y would i be?

i know i have an xj but i also live in cali so that means i should joins cal 4 wheel too?!?!?! ok so look at that that means thats like $110 for the year?!?!? i don't have that kind of money 4 wheeling is expensive anyways. (magizines, brakening down, GAS, and everyhting).

i do understand paying money to be in a club. don't get me wrong!! but i don't think that $60 to be in a club is worth it?!?! i mean i like the seirra chapter and naxja, but i mean what is naxja i understand it supports the blue ribbon thing but it is not like cal 4 where it accually supports cali.

i know all this stuff is opinatiol so i am not trying to camplain just state where i am coming from. and i really don't have anyother suggestion so if anyone has them i would be glad to hear them.

and i know other people feel the same way cuz it is tru (expensive). so i still want to be with the club i just don't know if i want to joind naxja.(i'll pay the $30 for the runs thats cool). just letting u guys here my point!!!


thanx
stoney
 
Well Stoney,

Nobody can make you becaome a NAXJA member, I didn't do it until after the Swamp run last summer. I wanted to find out what this was all about before I sent in my $35. What can I say, I benefit from the web site, I receive correct information from XJer's all over the world. You have to ask yourself, is your XJ better because you have used the bandwidth on this site or not. If your answer is yes then you should become a member of NAXJA to at least support all the hard working web programers and such.

Keven and I talked about the member/nonmember thing going on in SC. This is one idea I had, but you need to be voted in. This idea doesn't give you voting rights, but alows you to go on runs with out being a guest by an actual NAXJA member.

Honorary membership may be elected by majority vote of the board of directors. The honorary member is not obligated to pay dues and this membership expires one year from the date of the BOD vote, unless renewed by the BOD with an additional vote. Honorary members shall not be entitled to vote, nor hold any office or committee chair position in NAXJA. Honorary members who apply and are accepted for full membership shall immediately be eligible for all voting and office privileges.
 
i like that idea, cuz seriuosly i don't have th money for that, when i am planning on moving out and stuff but i still want to hang out with the crew

really i don't mind paying the $30 bucks! just when it all adds up it gets $$$! and i do support the SC but i really don't know bout naxja just not really a piroty.(not to sound mean)

but thanx for explaining it for me XJ i really apperciated it!!

stoney
 
Yes, if you live in the geographical area and belong to NAXJA, you're automaticaly a member of the Sierra Chapter.

What's wrong with paying NAXJA for what you're using and paying the chapter $5 for each run?
 
Okay, I've read throught the entire thread and am rather confused. What exactly are we voting on?

Jes
 
Here it is Jes.

[quote:580fba031c="Riley Salida, CA"]I think that there is a difference between a sponsered event and a run. I also feel that for it to be posted as a SC run or event you would have to be a memeber of Naxja which then makes you a member of the SC. There is also nothing wrong with planning something back-channel if you want to do something last minute and maybe not organize a full run with a trail leader and so forth. In my opinion I think that paying $30 up front is not a big deal and if you cannot afford it all at once then arrangements can be made. I think that we are just trying to find a way to generate moneys that we all can benefit from and to help the chapter grow.

We can als go away from the whole $5 a run thing and get set up more as a normal club and just charge a flat fee of $30 whether you come out and participate or not. It is up to us to decide.

I will put in the first motion for the $5 a run or just pay the maximun of $30 a year in one shot. This is really only an interpretation issue and we cant seem to find the common ground that is needed.[/quote:580fba031c]
 
Chuck on your last post. With all said I'm a little confused. I'll agree on the $5 a SC run, I'll agree on a max $30 a year. What if you go on only 3 runs this year. Do you still need to caugh up another $15 bucks because your a SC member? :?
 
[quote:be40312719="Kernel"]Chuck on your last post. With all said I'm a little confused. I'll agree on the $5 a SC run, I'll agree on a max $30 a year. What if you go on only 3 runs this year. Do you still need to caugh up another $15 bucks because your a SC member? :?[/quote:be40312719]

Now rereading it, it is confusing. when I gave the 2nd motion, it was for the flat $30 fee per year. I emailed Rob, so he should be posting soon to clarify.
 
cool.

I know last year I didn't make one run. In my case it would have been a waste of money. Good for the SC but not for me. :D I know just thinking of myself. :roll:
 
I know I'm not officially in the SC, but I'm close and I have some ideas about what works and what doesn't work. What you all are attempting to do is WAY too complicated, and over time you will regret doing it. I see no practical way to keep track of how many runs any particular individual has run during the year, and whether they owe the $5 or not. Also, you'll have guests on the run who won't understand forking over $5, and you also will have people who just miss paying it, or the leader misses getting it from someone, and it would be unmanageable over time. Also, I don't think it's fair to a trip leader to have to deal with collecting money from everyone on every run. The isssue of what constitutes a club run is another unclear issue. Since we have insurance coverage with NAXJA it's necessary to make a determination on what is and what isn't a club sponsored run. Just talking about going someplace with friends on the forum does not constitute a club run, one of the purposes of the forum is to allow friends to communicate and put trips together....they are not all club runs. A club run has to be announced as a club run, i.e. "the run this month is to Fordyce", etc. So, you cannot just say that every trip that is talked about on the forums is a club run, it just doesn't work that way.

The idea about collecting $30 from everyone has more merit, but you really have no way to enforce it. Because of the way the chapter is set up, anyone who is a NAXJA member who lives in your geographical area is already a member of the Sierra Chaprter. Paying the $30 would be a voluntary contribution, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it would be difficult to enforce. Besides, to pass that kind of motion you will need a quorum of votes from a majority of all the NAXJA members that live in your geographical area.....not very likely.

It's necessary to raise a little money for the chapter to operate on, plus it's nice to be able to make a donation to a worthy land use cause now and then. My opinion is that it would be much easier to set aside one event a year, or more, as a fundraising run, and charge for that particular run. Those who want to support the chapter can attend the run and pay the fee, plus any guests would also pay the event fee. This would limit the "pain" of dealing with money to only once a year, and those who choose to not participate have nothing to complain about. Also, if stickers or t-shirts are ever made for the chapter, these should be sold for a profit as fund raisers rather than just covering the cost, which is much easier to deal with and accept than trying to collect membership or run money.

You all are making a good effort on this subject, and raising a little money for the chapter is needed. I encourage you to keep it real simple, and to look from the perspective of someone who you are trying to bring into the club. The comment was made about having some recources to make the chapter grow, which is a good thing. Please don't muddy the water by adding things into the equation that might actually keep some people away. A run that is clearly designated as a fund raising run is easy to do and should be universally accepted. The rest of the time you all can go wheeling and not be concerned about money issues.

Food for thought........

Richard G
past NAXJA president
 
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