Abortion

we need fewer people on this planet anyways.

KILL THEM ALL

(now to sit back and watch the fireworks...)
 
I believe every one has it's own merits. As a rule I am against them, should not get pregnant in the first place, too many ways not to, like robbing a bank, can't afford the time don't do it. In cases of rape and incest, different story. Very tough subject in most cases.
 
I find it strange many are for abortion and at the same time against the death penalty. Sounds to me like those kind of people are a little mixed up, "Yeah, let's kill 'em before they can talk and tell us how screwed up our thinking is rather than kill the murderers and rapists in prison who can talk back".
 
I don't believe a fetus in the womb as reached person status, just being a human fetus doesn't earn it that right. So I have no problem with abortion.

That being said it should be a decision that is reached carefully with the pros and cons weighed heavily. I know some women that have had 2 or more abortions and that makes them awful people.
 
Define the question:

Proactive or retroactive?
 
This thread will quickly turn into an abortion. I've learned this is one of those topics that you can't discuss in an online forum. Besides, where's the politics? Are you wanting to discuss the morals of it or the legal side?
 
Yes Darky, I know this topic tends to stir people up. That's why I posted it.

I think there are plenty of scenarios where an abortion would be appropriate, but its not something people can just use as birth control. Regardless of whether or not it's morally wrong though, I don't believe it's the government's place to tell people what they can and cannot do to their own bodies.
 
I think everyone who thinks abortion is OK for a normal healthy woman carrying a normal healthy baby should grab a shot gun and blow their own head off.

It will solve two problems at once.
 
RichP said:
I believe every one has it's own merits. As a rule I am against them, should not get pregnant in the first place, too many ways not to, like robbing a bank, can't afford the time don't do it. In cases of rape and incest, different story. Very tough subject in most cases.
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Very true, and some of the laws pertaining to this seem to muddy the problem even worse.

TJ Rat said:
I find it strange many are for abortion and at the same time against the death penalty. Sounds to me like those kind of people are a little mixed up, "Yeah, let's kill 'em before they can talk and tell us how screwed up our thinking is rather than kill the murderers and rapists in prison who can talk back".
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I never got that either, personally I don't have an issue with both under the right circumstances. I don't have an issue with abortion, especially under the circumstances Rich laid out and medical problems that can be pregnancy related. I also have no problems with the death penalty so long as the police and prosecutors can be trusted to have the right person on trial/convicted in the first place. However, I do feel that the wrongly convicted person dies in prison while for that reason for the above reason, those who put them there should be prosecuted for said person's death.

Darky said:
This thread will quickly turn into an abortion. I've learned this is one of those topics that you can't discuss in an online forum. Besides, where's the politics? Are you wanting to discuss the morals of it or the legal side?
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Yea, I'm surprised that it hasn't dissolved into an Religious vs Atheist battle yet.
 
Everyone's entitled to their opinion about abortion, but ultimately it's the woman's right to choose. Living in a democracy should be about having such choices (whether they're good or bad). IMO, the best defense against abortion isn't government control over the matter; it's education.
 
Privately, I am in favour of abortion when not used as retroactive birth control. As has been said, we know what causes pregnancy these days, so there's no reason for unwanted pregnancy from consensual sex. Cases of rape, incest, or "medical need" are justifiable, as would be someone who is psychologically unfit to bear children.

Publicly, I can't afford to be in favour of restricting it. I have no place telling women what to do with their bodies (although there are women that I'd like to tell them what I'd do with thir bodies...) but the whole "reasonable restriction" debate is the same thing that got us into the whole hoofaraw with gun rights anyhow (I am vaguely in favour of "reasonable" and veridam few restrictions on gun ownership. However, we see what's happened - so, publicly, I'm in favour of no restrictions whatever.)

Note that neither side of the coin (in my case) is or can readily be reduced to a "religious vice atheist" debate - or anything else like that. It's a simple matter of ethics.

Besides, if we outlaw abortions performed in potentially "safe" environs (hospital operating rooms, medical clinics) we'll end up pushing them back underground (back alleys, coathangers, suck brooms) and we won't see just the fetus being killed as a result. Yes, we're overpopulated, but dangerous abortions isn't the way to reduce the current population of the world.
 
urban yan said:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion about abortion, but ultimately it's the woman's right to choose. Living in a democracy should be about having such choices (whether they're good or bad). IMO, the best defense against abortion isn't government control over the matter; it's education.
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I agree with Urban Yan--now I feel dirty so I will go take a shower. :D

Seriously, what I feel and what I want don't mean squat--it is not my choice.

I see no difference between zealots--on either side of the issue--and Muslim extremists. They want to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
 
joe_peters said:
I see no difference between zealots--on either side of the issue--and Muslim extremists. They want to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
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Very true, just different shaped kettles and pots is all.

As for the line bjoehandley brought up, "never got that either, personally I don't have an issue with both under the right circumstances. I don't have an issue with abortion, especially under the circumstances Rich laid out and medical problems that can be pregnancy related. I also have no problems with the death penalty so long as the police and prosecutors can be trusted to have the right person on trial/convicted in the first place. However, I do feel that the wrongly convicted person dies in prison while for that reason for the above reason, those who put them there should be prosecuted for said person's death."

I also feel very strongly on this, if they wrongly convict a person and then that person is exonerated and the conviction is bogus they who prosecuted them need to serve an equal time in prison. It is very possible that a cop who just wants to make an arrest might think twice or a prosecutor/DA who is up for re-election might also think twice or three times. There have just been too many people convicted and innocent though bad courts that it makes me cringe. I wonder how many we have executed and how many we let die in prison that were not guilty over the last 200 years, it has to be a dam big number in the high 5 or low 6 digit range.

As for abortion for health reasons, that is also a tough one, I've known more than a few that risked their lives to have the child, more than a few nites while an EMT on a rescue squad we rushed a expectant mother who should not have tried to the ER, some made it, some did not.
 
Coastie said:
If those stupid skanks wouldn't get pregnant in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.
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:roflmao:
abortions just an easy way out, kinda like calling a mulligan.
 
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