96 rolled cherokee death trap

[Cnickgo]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

i been driving it to school and back

And did you guys really think that those pipes were all he's going to have? He's obviously not going to be driving it or hardcore wheeling it in this condition, its an INCOMPLETE PROJECT

I'm sorry, but you just threw yourself under the bus with him. I personally couldn't care if he just ran this monstrosity around the yard or at "the local hole". The fact that he is not only endangering himself on our public roads !!!!!AGAIN!!!!!, but everyone else around him.

Wheel the POS all you want. When Murphy comes knocking, and Darwin is on his heels, at least we can say we tried.

...and please, please, please don't insult Stump's fab skills again.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I'm sorry, but you just threw yourself under the bus with him. I personally couldn't care if he just ran this monstrosity around the yard or at "the local hole". The fact that he is not only endangering himself on our public roads !!!!!AGAIN!!!!!, but everyone else around him.

Wheel the POS all you want. When Murphy comes knocking, and Darwin is on his heels, at least we can say we tried.

...and please, please, please don't insult Stump's fab skills again.

His point by saying that is: He's not wheeling with it at this point, he lives practically across the street from the college. And how is his cage endangering anybody else? i'd like to see that point be proven... My whole point is that all of these comments on this thread so far have been made in ignorance of one simple fact, the fact that happens to be THE most important fact in the thread, which is: that this is an INCOMPLETE project.

And if he's under a bus, then its also my place to be under the bus because i'm the one helping him build the cage. But trust me, by the time this cage is complete, and by the time that its first tested in a rollover, it will be vastly safer than any stock-bodied jeep and equally safe as any other caged jeep around.

 

[XTurboJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I don't think that is correct. Trust me on the fact that stock XJ's, with or with out doors, can hold up very well in a roll. I've done it, twice. One with and one with out front doors. I even drove the second one around for another two years and made countless trips to Moab with it. What you have there, whether it is finished or not, is two hoops, that are unsupported and that will fold the first time any serious force it applied to them.

And regardless if the school is "across the street" or not, what if some one hits him? there is no protection from anything in that. a honda civic would take his legs of in a driver side impact. And he is endangering any one else that gets in that vehicle with him as well. There are some things that just cant be foreseen and that must be accounted for and planned for. driving on the street is statistically more dangerous than just about any other daily activity we all engage in.

Do every one, especially yourself and Caleb a favor, park that thing, and either junk it from there, or build it the right way from there.

Just like the others have said, but i think it worth reiterating, If you cant do it right, don't fuqin' do it.

 

[XJRN]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

If you guys need to be worried about anybody, its all the cageless stock-bodied jeeps running around, not to mention the ones that take the doors off of a cageless jeep. then you're talking about a couple of tinfoil molded steel spotwelded pillars holding a jeep with an extra thousand pounds on the underbody.

This sentence just ruined your credibility. Doors are not load bearing and have no impact on unibody strength.

The difference between a jeep with no cage and a jeep with a crap cage, is that you drive a jeep with no cage as a jeep with no cage, but the second you trust a crap cage is the second you die.

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Had he not gone off on the people who told him it needed more, and instead had said "it doesn't have all the bars on it yet, here's a drawing of what it'll be like with all the tubes installed" I wouldn't have responded how I did.

I'd also like to note that punctuation is important and angrily spewing broken English at expert fabricators (not me, the other guys) is a great way to look like an ass.

 

[Cnickgo]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

His point by saying that is: He's not wheeling with it at this point, he lives practically across the street from the college. And how is his cage endangering anybody else? i'd like to see that point be proven... My whole point is that all of these comments on this thread so far have been made in ignorance of one simple fact, the fact that happens to be THE most important fact in the thread, which is: that this is an INCOMPLETE project.

And if he's under a bus, then its also my place to be under the bus because i'm the one helping him build the cage. But trust me, by the time this cage is complete, and by the time that its first tested in a rollover, it will be vastly safer than any stock-bodied jeep and equally safe as any other caged jeep around.

The cage itself does not endanger others. The structural integrity of the body does. If that body fails, such as a twist or a crack, that causes him to lose control of the vehicle, it IS endangering everyone else on and around the roadway.

I'm glad you have taken responsibility. At least we know now that an individual who is seeking an Engineering degree with a focus on welding is behind this catastrophe. Don't worry kids, everything is going to be just fine!

Personally, I want to thank you for being such a fantastic ambassador of and it's members.

 

[NorCalChris]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

uke:

 

[UNCC_99XJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Had he not gone off on the people who told him it needed more, and instead had said "it doesn't have all the bars on it yet, here's a drawing of what it'll be like with all the tubes installed"

Agreed...or maybe said something to the effect of "here's my cage.....just kidding!"

No point in saying what I wanted to say, as it's already been said by others.

 

[REWSTER]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I like it, i am gonna go to Menards and price out some pipe right after work

 

[srmitchell]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

This thread is awesome!

I've been meaning to make a cage, great idea using pipe. I might go buy that kind that threads together, you know, like a playground. I can sell bolt in kits!

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I don't think that is correct. Trust me on the fact that stock XJ's, with or with out doors, can hold up very well in a roll. I've done it, twice. One with and one with out front doors. I even drove the second one around for another two years and made countless trips to Moab with it. What you have there, whether it is finished or not, is two hoops, that are unsupported and that will fold the first time any serious force it applied to them.

And regardless if the school is "across the street" or not, what if some one hits him? there is no protection from anything in that. a honda civic would take his legs of in a driver side impact. And he is endangering any one else that gets in that vehicle with him as well. There are some things that just cant be foreseen and that must be accounted for and planned for. driving on the street is statistically more dangerous than just about any other daily activity we all engage in.

Do every one, especially yourself and Caleb a favor, park that thing, and either junk it from there, or build it the right way from there.

Just like the others have said, but i think it worth reiterating, If you cant do it right, don't fuqin' do it.

I was actually not intending to say that the stock cages are not worthy, because this jeep (in its previous life) was rolled 1-1/2 times off a cliff until it hit a tree, and the cage held up fine. My point was that this cage is an upgrade, and these people don't need to be worrying about it on the road. At its current stage (not the one in the pictures) it isn't just two unsupported hoops. Those pictures were taken in the middle of working on it and there were tubes connecting the two hoops before he really even drove it anywhere. He'll upload more pics in a bit to show where it is now, and see what you all think.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

This sentence just ruined your credibility. Doors are not load bearing and have no impact on unibody strength.

The difference between a jeep with no cage and a jeep with a crap cage, is that you drive a jeep with no cage as a jeep with no cage, but the second you trust a crap cage is the second you die.

Well since you guys are trying to argue that the tiny few pounds of strength difference between pipe and tubing might make the difference between life and death, i'd like to point out that it would take nearly a thousand pounds to vertically crush a door, and that they also help hold the pillars parallel with relation to each-other.

Also, his jeep is no less likely to be the cause of lost legs than any other doorless jeep other than the lift height, and its still higher than any Honda civic's hood.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Had he not gone off on the people who told him it needed more, and instead had said "it doesn't have all the bars on it yet, here's a drawing of what it'll be like with all the tubes installed" I wouldn't have responded how I did.

I'd also like to note that punctuation is important and angrily spewing broken English at expert fabricators (not me, the other guys) is a great way to look like an ass.

If only I was the first person to use incorrect English on an online forum... OMG its the end of the world...

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

If only I was the first person to use incorrect English on an online forum... OMG its the end of the world...

I'm so glad you conveniently ignored my other point

Also, just a side point... you don't have to respond to this one unless you can't argue with the other one... there is a multiquote button for a reason

 

[MT Mike]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

here is a link to the modifications i have done so far
more to come soonhttp://s1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff401/calebhiatt/

Take a good long look ladies and gentleman. If you look closely, you'll see Darwin in this picture, and he's laughing his ass off. Anyone driving or riding in this piss poor excuse for a vehicle has a serious death wish AND a total lack of common sense.

Do yourself a favor, get a few gallons of diesel fuel and a road flare and put that thing out of its misery before you hurt or kill yourself or someone else.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

The cage itself does not endanger others. The structural integrity of the body does. If that body fails, such as a twist or a crack, that causes him to lose control of the vehicle, it IS endangering everyone else on and around the roadway.

I'm glad you have taken responsibility. At least we know now that an individual who is seeking an Engineering degree with a focus on welding is behind this catastrophe. Don't worry kids, everything is going to be just fine!

Personally, I want to thank you for being such a fantastic ambassador of and it's members.

Trust me, we've inspected every inch of the unibody of the Jeep, and although it is slightly tweaked from the original accident, it's completely crack and structural weakness free. The only major tweaks are rear of the rear axle. And I will personally stand behind any of the welds on this cage with my reputation. Some people on here have seen my previous work, ask some of them. I don't build things half-assed. If there's any building characteristic you can accuse me of, it's overbuilding.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Take a good long look ladies and gentleman. If you look closely, you'll see Darwin in this picture, and he's laughing his ass off. Anyone driving or riding in this piss poor excuse for a vehicle has a serious death wish AND a total lack of common sense.

Do yourself a favor, get a few gallons of diesel fuel and a road flare and put that thing out of its misery before you hurt or kill yourself or someone else.

This pic was taken while we were fitting the harness, He didn't actually drive it anywhere at this point.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I'm so glad you conveniently ignored my other point

Also, just a side point... you don't have to respond to this one unless you can't argue with the other one... there is a multiquote button for a reason

I've never actually seen that button before to tell you the truth. I'm not much of a regular forum user as you may see from my statistics on here since some people are obviously looking through my profile.

 

[stroked88]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

with that size pipe, i highly doubt you willl ever get that thing to weigh in at 2500 pounds.......

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I've never actually seen that button before to tell you the truth. I'm not much of a regular forum user as you may see from my statistics on here since some people are obviously looking through my profile.

If you're talking about me, I didn't even bother, and you can verify it by checking who has viewed your profile recently... I merely noticed that you posted like 5 times in a row, each replying to a single post.