96 rolled cherokee death trap

[stumpXJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

i am posting this thread to get information and ideas from other jeep fans about what i should do

any ideas comments and information is very welcome

i posted this to get ideas not to get bashed on for the materials i am using or the condition it is currently in. its very safe i have a 4 point harness.

we are very mindful of safety concerns and always take them into account thanks for all the positive feed back

People are telling you exactly what you asked for, its also what you dont want to hear. Plain and simple, you're doing it wrong. Start over, or dont. Its up to you, but dont get butt hurt when people are trying to tell what you are doing wrong, and how to fix it.

You cant possibly think the "4 point harness" is going to do anything do you? If I were ever dumb enough to ride in that rig, I would refuse to wear it. I would HOPE to get thrown from the vehicle in an accident, I would have much better chances.

You are the exact opposite of "mindful of safety concerns". If you were concerned about safety even slightly, you would have done your home work, and realized how shoddy and hokey your 'cage' is.

Enough bashing, here are my ideas, comments, and suggestions. Seriously.

If you dont have the experience to do it right, dont do it.
If you dont have the money to do it right yourself, dont do it.
If you dont have the money to pay a professional to do it right, dont do it.
If you dont have the time to do it right, dont do it.

See the pattern here?

Good luck man, I also have a teal 96, and would love to see this thing come back from the grave, but right now... it aint happening.

~ Stump

 

[9T3XJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Needs less sheet metal and more tube...

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

StumpXJ is this all you do tear everyone apart cause you dont like what they are doing? if you dont like it dont read it enough said! as for the pic of the tub buggy i dig and will be adding alot more tubing

 

[stumpXJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Nominated.

~ Stump.

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

also take into account that i have a very low center of gravity its physics how much lift do you have? plus that massive roof rack seriously your rolling before i do

 

[GrimmJeeper]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

The plain and simple fact flinchy is that using an inferior material like pipe to build a cage is dangerous to say the least. if that pipe folds over onto you in a rollover because it's weak garbage you have the potential to be trapped in there and die. As said above if you don't like advice that doesn't agree with your build decisions (which are poorly informed and dangerous to yourself and anyone who rides with you) then don't ask for advice. Not everyone is going to agree with you, grow up.

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

StumpXJ is this all you do tear everyone apart cause you dont like what they are doing? if you dont like it dont read it enough said! as for the pic of the tub buggy i dig and will be adding alot more tubing

you asked for input, you got it. Would you rather be butthurt and find out your mistakes before rolling it, or happy because everyone sucked up to you and said it was awesome (or just ignored it because it is hack fab and you don't want to hear that) and then roll and squash yourself?

Your comment about it being low COG so the terrible cage is OK makes no sense, if that is your point, chop the rest of the cage off and it'll be even lower. You can still roll even with a real low COG.

The materials are probably not strong enough (though there has been some debate over that on Pirate, and I won't get into it) your unibody tie-ins are going to break if you roll on it, and that cage will fold up like a wire coathangar. Do it right, or rip the cage off, take off your seatbelt, and hope the XJ rolls further than you do.

 

[DrMoab]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

People here are not bashing you.

They don't want to see you die. It would do you good to step back and think about the experience that is on this board. Lots of people who have responded to you have been around this stuff for a very long time and know what they are talking about. Take it to heart...you might live a couple extra years.

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

i realize all the safety concerns i will be switching to tubing from here on out and replace the hoops over the winter when time and money allow allows

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

That is like using shoelaces for lap belts, adding nylon webbing for shoulder belts, and saying you will get around to replacing the lap belts later.

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

its almost winter i am not driving it then i been driving it to school and back but my dad has always said you can be part of the problem or part of the solution you have given me your advice and i am taking it why are you still complaining how about you buy the tubing for me instead of continuing to complain about it

 

[kastein]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

I am not complaining, I am telling you that you are still doing something that is a bad idea. Again, whether you are going to drive it right now or not doesn't affect whether this is a bad idea or not, no cage at all is just as good an idea using your "I'm not driving it right now so it's OK" logic.

However, I find your attitude extremely annoying so I guess I'll stop "complaining" about it. Feel free to keep your deathtrap cage and drive it as much as you want, happy with it till you roll... you dying is really no skin off my back I guess.

Oh, and since you don't like my input I guess I won't comment on your threads in the future either hope someone else feels like giving you free tech advice.

 

[stumpXJ]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

also take into account that i have a very low center of gravity its physics how much lift do you have? plus that massive roof rack seriously your rolling before i do

You're grabbing at straws and barking up the wrong tree man. Get a grip.

I have enough lift to do what I need to do, 5.5 inches right now. My roof rack is for camping, not rock crawling. But rest assured if I were a building a buggy for crawling like you are doing, it would be bad ass or it wouldnt be at all.

Btw, you have already rolled your jeep once, I havent. I know my limits, and my vehicles limits.

Again, good luck. You should listen to everyones post, then re-group. Do research, there are hundreds of cage threads around here.

~ Stump

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

im not saying i dont like peoples advice i realize that pipe was a bad idea. also realize that i live in the middle of wyoming to get metal at a resonable price i have to go 250 miles to get some i like your advice and am going to take your advice i just have to take time to plan a trip to go get the metal

 

[flinchy]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

you probably have lockers too i am running a 1 1/2 inch lift and open open just cause i rolled it doesnt mean i rolled it when i was crawling. i know my limits and my jeeps limits. just cause you have big bills doesnt mean you got mad skills. i already said i was listening to the other posts about pipe vs. tubing and i have plans for alot of supports and bracing

 

[IslanderOffRoad]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

you probably have lockers too i am running a 1 1/2 inch lift and open open just cause i rolled it doesnt mean i rolled it when i was crawling. i know my limits and my jeeps limits. just cause you have big bills doesnt mean you got mad skills. i already said i was listening to the other posts about pipe vs. tubing and i have plans for alot of supports and bracing

How did you roll it then, mall crawling?

 

[Darky]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

you probably have lockers too i am running a 1 1/2 inch lift and open open just cause i rolled it doesnt mean i rolled it when i was crawling. i know my limits and my jeeps limits. just cause you have big bills doesnt mean you got mad skills. i already said i was listening to the other posts about pipe vs. tubing and i have plans for alot of supports and bracing

Who cares if he has lockers? DOes that reduce his skill at driving? Does that mean e knows less? What the hell is your point? We should bow and grovel because you're a broke-a$$? I'm broke too, but guess what, I saved money and waited to get what I got? I didn't just hack something together and say good enough because I don't make big money. I wheeled for 4 yrs in my XJ with a BB and 30's open/open, then open/welded. Before that was a stock Trooper, and a stock Geo Tracker. Does that make me cool? Can't get much more low budget then a Geo, right?

If you're smart, do a quick search of threads started by stumpXJ, look over his work. He knows of what he speaks, and you would be wise to listen to experienced fabricators rather than mocking and arguing with them.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

Its not like you're looking at a finished product here guys, its more complete now than it is in any of these pictures... we haven't even gotten to any gussets or supports anywhere yet. You're looking at a picture of a couple of hours worth of work into the building of a buggy thats going to have hundreds of hours in it.

Its eventually going to have tubes that run to the back corners like slant-back style, and its going to have some plates attaching the front pillars to the firewall area, and its going to have a C pillar and connecting tubes between all of the pillars...

And realistically guys, pipe is fine to use for a cage if you just use heavy enough stuff and use some brains in the design and support systems of the cage. Steel is steel, yeah there are different grades of steels but in contrast to the variety of different grades available, 2" thick wall pipe is heavy enough. We're talking the difference between a couple pounds of tensile strength differences and a tiny bit of bend strength in contrast to the thousands of pounds of tensile strength that this stuff is capable of handling. Compare the amount of tinfoil holding up the stock roof, to the amount of steel holding this thing up if its upside down. 8 cute little tinfoil columns held a 3500lb jeep up just fine, and we're talking about 8 columns of 2" thick wall pipe holding a 2500lb thing. If you guys need to be worried about anybody, its all the cageless stock-bodied jeeps running around, not to mention the ones that take the doors off of a cageless jeep. then you're talking about a couple of tinfoil molded steel spotwelded pillars holding a jeep with an extra thousand pounds on the underbody.

Realistically, this whole thread has been completely useless so far, Caleb was asking for ideas, maybe some pics of other peoples cages, and some helpful tips.. what he got was a bunch of hotheaded idiots telling him that his first two tubes aren't going to hold up as a complete cage. It was plainly stated that this is an incomplete project. :soapbox:

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

How did you roll it then, mall crawling?

And by the way, this jeep was originally rolled on a road, not wheeling related in any way.

 

[Red Chief]

Re: 96 rolled cherokee build up

WOAH I didn't even realize that those two hoops weren't tied together... other than something else to hit your head on, those serve no purpose

And did you guys really think that those pipes were all he's going to have? He's obviously not going to be driving it or hardcore wheeling it in this condition, its an INCOMPLETE PROJECT