4 people shot one dead while offroading

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I'm not sure this family started anything. It also appears as though they were not even on this guy's property.
But even if they had thier own gun....

 

[8Mud]

I am not your friend...

I only wheel and camp in LEGAL areas with a group of friends.

I have used a gun more than I care to think about. After you are required to use one to take another's life you will have a different prospective on their use.

They make things that are desinged to fend off animals that do not require the use of a gun.

If you are not a dipshit there is no reason for people to start stuff with you. I have never been at a camping area and had a random bunch of drunk guys try and start junk with me or my family.

If you have had that experience you may want to look at yourself in the mirror. Any chance that you started the problem or should have stopped when you were ahead?

I am a 34 year old man, been a Marine for 16+ years, and still do not own a gun of any type. I am the odd ball here, who thinks guns are a pussy way out of a situation. It says a lot about the American youth.

I guess I am begging to be shot, have my wife raped, and my kids molested.

:sure:

I'm nearly double your age and doubt you'll ever reach my age. The name of the game is survival, not who has the bigger gonads.
Anybody who fails to realize about 15% of the population is dangerous as heck, is living in a fools paradise. Life is a game of chance, you may get good cards, you may not.
Though I agree with you on one point, avoiding trouble is more often than not, the best solution.
Planning for the worst, gives you options.

 

[altierior]

I'm nearly double your age and doubt you'll ever reach my age.

what an utterly ridiculous statement. you are suggesting that, because he doesn't carry a gun everywhere, you doubt that he will live to 60?!?

 

[8Mud]

what an utterly ridiculous statement. you are suggesting that, because he doesn't carry a gun everywhere, you doubt that he will live to 60?!?

That's what you said, not I. What I was referring to was his attitude, in a nutshell, if I understood correctly, was he can take of anything that comes along with guile and testosterone.
I think calling someone ridiculous, who is obviously successful at life, is arrogant. You can argue my methods, but it's hard to argue with success. Success being defined as living to a ripe old age.
My dad is nearly 90 and still carries a 44 derringer.
I say again, I've seen it on way too many occasions, people get comfortable, bad stuff happens. Some are prepared, some would rather see no evil, speak no evil. hear no evil. Reality versus wishful thinking. Sometimes you have to deal with what is, not what should be.

 

[shelbyluvv]

What I was referring to was his attitude, in a nutshell, if I understood correctly, was he can take of anything that comes along with guile and testosterone.

I never said that every confrontation requires force.

Just because I am a Marine people automatically ASSume everything must involve violence.

If you can defuse a situation with words and a level head over a gun, where is the problem. Just becuase you carry a gun you are better or wiser than me?

Get over yourself.

I don't measure sucess by how old a person is. That is just plain retarded. My grandfather is 85 and a total waste of space. But by your reasoning he is successful because he is old, not so.

 

[DrMoab]

If you are looking at carrying a gun for self defense as a pussy way out of a situation you are looking at things completely bass-ackwards from the way most people I know who carry look at things.

I carry for self protection and every second of every day I'm praying that I never have to fall to that choice. I've never been in a confrontation where I felt like I was going to have to use a weapon of any kind. I never start trouble and I never ever ever EVER think that just because I carry a gun I can get away with more than I could if I didn't have it with me. If anything it keeps me going with a lot more level head.

However...if I came across a situation where someones life was in danger and I couldn't see another way out. If that person was in grave danger of losing their life(or mine) then I would kill the aggressor dead and I know...without doubt that I would go home that night and sleep like a baby. When it comes to rapists, child molesters, murderers or any other scumbag who thinks they have some right to make other people suffer...Their life has no more meaning to me than the bug I splattered on my windshield.

So...if you think carrying a gun is the pussy way out, fine. I hope that when the time comes and there is a situation that someone could possibly be there with a gun and maybe keep someone from getting killed that you are at the other mall...the one where they don't allow weapons. Maybe you can sneak up on them and use those marine trained lethal weapon hands of yours to choke him or something.

What a TOOL.

 

[dudeinanxj]

I have the tendency to agree with shelbyluvv on his views. I don't carry and never will, nor own a gun in my house. I also don't put my self in situations that I would need a gun. I personally feel that if you must carry a gun, you are either doing something you don't need to be doing, around people or an area you don't need to be or you are just freakin' paranoid. I don't drink, smoke, do illegal drugs, or anything crazy. I just work on and wheel my Jeep and spend the rest of time chillin' at home. Call me what you will, I don't give a shit. I am comfortable with my views and who I am so flame as you will, I will just ignore you.

Now, I am not against the ownership of owning guns, that's your right and I respect that, so carry on. But my views are my views, respect mine as I respect yours.

 

[Dest]

Not "most" everyone.

I do not carry a gun and never will. That is the cowardly way to handle ANYTHING.

Americans are too pussified to fight or stand up for themselves anymore. The instant reaciton is to pull a gun or threaten to use one.

WEAK!

I love these broad, biased opinions about Americans.

 

[XJrambler]

I also don't put my self in situations that I would need a gun. I personally feel that if you must carry a gun, you are either doing something you don't need to be doing, around people or an area you don't need to be or you are just freakin' paranoid.

What kind of situations are you talking about not putting yourself in? Driving through the ghetto? Yeah, I don't do that either...

I do, however, go to the bank, the grocery store, the mall, the movies, etc. Point is you don't have to put yourself in any situation. Sometimes you get put into the situation weather you like it or not...just like the family in this article.

I hear stories about home invasions on the news all the time. Do I think I live in a safe area? Ofcourse. That still doesn't mean I'm going to risk or chance my family's safety because I feel that everyone around me is a good person and would do me no harm.

Maybe I'm "just freakin paranoid"? I hope you're right, though, I hope it never comes down to me having to use my weapon. I also hope you don't ever have to regret not having one either.

 

[8Mud]

I don't measure sucess by how old a person is. That is just plain retarded. My grandfather is 85 and a total waste of space. But by your reasoning he is successful because he is old, not so.

Quote"It says a lot about the American youth." unquote.

 

[shelbyluvv]

What a TOOL.

Now, now, Ryan. Was the name calling really called for? I have my opinion and you have yours.

I did not call you or anyone a tool, pussy, or any other name. What gives you the right to call me a tool and start a flame fest?

I had high respect for you at one time and I don't even know you other than this board.

Sadly you have attacked me for no reason other than my opinion differs from yours.

 

[shelbyluvv]

Quote"It says a lot about the American youth." unquote.

And that means...

The Gen X and Pepsi generation are not as used to having to stand on their own 2 feet and use their heads to control conflict. With all the hype put on gangsta rap it is no wonder the youth of this nation turn to guns over a level head. They are the cool thing to have.

I do everything from hunting to auto cross racing. I do have some shotguns and a few rifles. They stay locked up in the gun safe.

I do not disapprove the owning of firearms. It is our God given right to bear arms.

All I said (or ment to say) is if you feel you "need" to carry a gun for your protection you are doing something wrong.

Hopefully, I will never end up in a situation where a gun is the only way to resolve it. If I do than I did something real stupid to put myself in that place.

 

[DrMoab]

I'm curious how you "deflect" the situation when someone is pointing a gun at you.

Sorry about the TOOL comment, it was a little harsh but this is an issue that really gets to me.

Like I said, I agree with you that violence should be avoided at any cost but there are times...hopefully it will never be me... that you can't avoid it.

 

[DeftwillP]

I thank you for your service. I can not, from your post, imagine what you might have had to do before and what you've been through. For that I'm greatful.

But to completely toss aside guns or the need to have one for self defense if going too far. Sometimes, you just can't "talk" your way out of things.

 

[shelbyluvv]

I thank you for your service. I can not, from your post, imagine what you might have had to do before and what you've been through. For that I'm greatful.

But to completely toss aside guns or the need to have one for self defense if going too far. Sometimes, you just can't "talk" your way out of things.

Thanks,

I feel, as I am sure many do, that a gun can only escalate a situation. Once a gun is pulled or mentioned the whole situation changes into another game.

If someone wants to shoot me. I am sure it will be done long before I could draw a pistol and double tap them.

I have had guns pulled on me before and I think my level head has kept me alive this long.

Had I had my own firearm...

 

[muddyrocks]

The families in the OP's post were ambushed... they are lucky to have survived with only one death.

The story I read had the range at approx. 150-200 yards. Tough to get a double anything at that range let alone a pistol: And it would be tough as hell to use a level head too, in an ambush, such as this one, one which made no sense.

I practice shooting 100 yards with a pistol and am 'ok' at that range but the odds always decrease under pressure.

In case your wondering, my children have the strength of character to stand up for themselves and their friends or loved ones; none of this is any guarranty of life to an old age only life with dignity and pride.

 

[DrMoab]

Thanks,

I feel, as I am sure many do, that a gun can only escalate a situation. Once a gun is pulled or mentioned the whole situation changes into another game.

If someone wants to shoot me. I am sure it will be done long before I could draw a pistol and double tap them..

What about other people? We had a situation here where a kid walked into a mall and started killing people. An off duty cop took him out before he killed a lot more people. In that situation it was already elvavated to that point. The guy didn't have to be a cop. He could have been a regular joe. Not an under cover cop.

 

[Steve_Moore]

I am a 34 year old man, been a Marine for 16+ years, and still do not own a gun of any type.

I do have some shotguns and a few rifles. They stay locked up in the gun safe.

:dunno:

All I said (or ment to say) is if you feel you "need" to carry a gun for your protection you are doing something wrong.

No, I'm not. I carry every single day. I will not be a victim.

 

[1985xjlaredo]

This is what happens when brother and sister marry

 

[alex22]

All I said (or ment to say) is if you feel you "need" to carry a gun for your protection you are doing something wrong.

So what was Suzanna Hupp doing wrong when she went to lunch with her parents at Luby's Diner?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard

There are some situations where words cannot help you.

I think I understand where you are coming from on your views on Firearms; my father is a Vietnam vet who hasn't used a firearm since he was discharged.