Yukon/Tahoe VS. Commander

Ive got the little v6 commander, bought it 2 years ago with 75k on it..put about 30k on it in 2 years and had 0 issues other than the cd player jamming occasionally.

Mostly my wifes DD, but we use it for trips, etc.

XKs are going down in price so they can be had cheap
 
Interesting. I have my own reserves with both of the vehicles you listed, But to each their own:cheers:

I'd be interested to hear what your take on the TLCs would be. I'm still at the research stage so it's possible I've missed something about them.
 
When I bought my new XJ, I seriously looked at 80 and 100 series TLC. Part of me really wishes I would have saved a little more for a 100. My BIL has an 05 model 100 and its super nice. Along with the multiple Takons my family has had, we have had 7 Yota/Lexus cars. The only real downside is having to replace the timing belt every 100k, but after you do it a few times it gets much faster.

When my dad got his most recent Tahoe, it was between that and a 100 series. He was in a hurry to buy because the t-case in the Range Rover was going out (just the selector, but the range rover will keep it in 2nd gear if it sees a problem) again and he found a nice Tahoe first.

The Tahoe does get slightly better mileage than the 100 does as well.
 
Every so often I think of up-sizing from the XJ. Trouble is it's my daily driver and I don't need the extra size very often. If I was going to...
GMT-400 or 800 Tahoe or Yukon.
The TLC 80 is a high maintenance beast and the front axle is a PITA to work on. It's expensive, too. It's got more space than the XJ but not that much more. It isn't a convincing tow vehicle or a heck of a lot faster and anything you want to modify is going to be $$$. On the other hand, it's a more comfortable drive and an off-road beast right out of the box.
The TLC 100 is less of an offroad beast and more comfortable to drive, or at least that's how it seems to me being IFS. The engine is a lot more powerful, though, so it's better towing / highway wise. It's extra expensive, though, and I've worked on easier vehicles (though it isn't that bad)
The GMT 400 trucks are getting old now but come with SBC & 4L60E. The General built about 17 million of these GMT400 platform half-ton trucks (made up number) and parts are dirt cheap and common. I dare you to try and take a leak in a self-serve junkyard without hitting something you could bolt right up. The stock 10 bolt is nothing special but 14 bolts, SF or FF, are an easy swap. If you want to lift it, you can stay IFS or go SFA - there is no shortage of after market. With an SBC in there, sky is the limit for power you want to make - and it's dirt cheap - though you may need to build the trans to keep up.
GMT 800 is more of the same. I think it has slightly lower ground clearance than the 400 stuff but you get the LS series engines (I'm a fan) and you can find them with hydro boost brakes (big fan).
Either the 400 or 800 is cheaper, larger & ballsier than the TLC's, though not as off-road capable out of the box. They get similar fuel economy and to me are a much better family oriented 4x4.
The XK has been talked about enough.
The WJ, well, I kind of wish I'd started out with a WJ instead of XJ. That said, I'm hesitant now to sell the XJ & spend more money on a W. It ticks all the boxes for what I want out of a vehicle but I'd be afraid of running out of space in the thing (wife and I just had our first) and wishing I'd gone for a Tahoe.
 
Trying to sell my wife on moving away from the minivan and into something that can tow. Im thinking a yukon or tahoe might be the answer. Her only holdups are that its a bigger vehicle and no sliding doors.

Aside from those two. Are there any other suddested family suvs that meet the ops requirements?
 
Newer 4Runner. Toyota Sequoia.
Excursion is on a 3/4 ton frame and running gear IIRC.
Expedition is roughly tahoe sized.
Chevy Trailblazer / GMC Envoy + leveling kit is a good option, too, but I think in stock trim they aren't as solid off road as the Tahoe.
 
I bought a Disco 1 for half the price of anything mentioned here. Luxury up the butt compared to a XJ, just as slow as a LC80 but more comfortable, beast low range gearing and easy to work on.

Sure, they aren't the most reliable beast out there, but find one w a good service record and it'll serve you well. I'm loving mine. Unfortunately, you don't get the reliability/new-ness of a GMT 800 or yota, but it's half or a third of the price of one.
 
The TLC 80 is a high maintenance beast and the front axle is a PITA to work on. It's expensive, too. It's got more space than the XJ but not that much more. It isn't a convincing tow vehicle or a heck of a lot faster and anything you want to modify is going to be $$$. On the other hand, it's a more comfortable drive and an off-road beast right out of the box.
The TLC 100 is less of an offroad beast and more comfortable to drive, or at least that's how it seems to me being IFS. The engine is a lot more powerful, though, so it's better towing / highway wise. It's extra expensive, though, and I've worked on easier vehicles (though it isn't that bad)

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Either the 400 or 800 is cheaper, larger & ballsier than the TLC's, though not as off-road capable out of the box. They get similar fuel economy and to me are a much better family oriented 4x4.
The XK has been talked about enough.
The WJ, well, I kind of wish I'd started out with a WJ instead of XJ. That said, I'm hesitant now to sell the XJ & spend more money on a W. It ticks all the boxes for what I want out of a vehicle but I'd be afraid of running out of space in the thing (wife and I just had our first) and wishing I'd gone for a Tahoe.

I hear you on all this.

I seriously looked at a FZJ80 about 3-4 years ago and really the interior size was not a big upgrade. I didn't care about the third row as that wasn't on my bullet list.

Don't get me wrong, the FZJ80 is much better built than an XJ or any Jeep/Chrysler for that matter but it didn't solve my big issues: tow rating/power and rear leg room space for my boys.

The UZJ100 appears to be a good fit. I don't care about the IFS front end. I'd be building a touring machine and triple locked with 35" tires if it can't get where I want to go I'm jumping the shark. The IFS doesn't have a reputation for being fragile once the front carrier is upgraded with a locker. 265 hp, 328 kb-ft. Adequate... a Jeep I-6 stroker can make these kinds of numbers.

The URJ200 has 383 hp, 400 lb-ft. Plenty of towing power for my purposes. They are really nice, modern trucks built to a high standard. A buddy of mine in the car club has the Lexus version that he uses to tow his enclosed race car trailer. Probably a ~8000lb trailer and he has no issues. The air suspension in the back compensates for the tongue weight nicely.

Cost-wise, there's places to get TLC parts cheaper if you hook up with the vendors at ih8mud. Buy in cost is higher but you are getting a well made machine. I don't mind paying good money for good product.

Other trucks I've looked at are the first generation Toyota Sequoia and Ford Expedition. Mostly for low buy in cost and simplicity, ease of building up. While I like them my thinking lately is that they are getting too long in the tooth. There are occasionally rust free ones around here (towed behind RVs) but still old. UZJ100 is around the same age but most are much less mileage and in better nick. But, still kinda old... makes me think about the URJ200 again.

Sentimentally I really like the WJ from a packaging and performance point of view. I just don't want to go down that road for a long range truck. For day trips it'd be fine. For a few weeks out at a time I'd prefer something nicer and more roomy. So, the XJ does the short range role already... We did a four week trip in the XJ this summer towing a ~3500 lb trailer. Jeep probably weighed ~5000lbs with gear and passengers. It was painful in the mountains. I need/want a bigger machine. I'm not convinced a WJ would be much better, maybe the Overland version for towing but then it's not much bigger inside.

I'm not a fan of the GMs. I like the look of them but the interiors really bug me (I haven't looked at the latest stuff). I'm not sure if I'd trust one to go off-road much more than a forest access road. It'll all twist up and break stuff... but that could be just my biases from the past. If off-road doesn't matter then of course this stiff doesn't matter.

Too bad we don't get the Nissan Patrol here.

My rambling 2¢
 
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I've been looking at the TrailBlazer stuff today. With the 4.2 I6 it's only marginally less power to weight as compared to the WJ w/ 4.7 HO, which I thought was plenty quick enough. With the 5.3, it's quicker. I'm not accounting for the WJ's 5 speed vs the TB's 4 speed.
TB (with either engine) or WJ, both are a lot faster than the XJ.
A 2" leveling lift on the Trailblazer is dirt cheap, too, and you can run 16" rims w/ 32" equivalent tires pretty easy. Front locker is probably a no-go but rear, maybe..?
It looks like a damn good alternative to the Commander in terms of size and features and a step up from the WJ in size, down from Tahoe...
 
There's a guy on Expedition Portal that has built up a Trailblazer. I can't remember if he got deep into it with lockers and stuff.
 
I've been looking at the TrailBlazer stuff today. With the 4.2 I6 it's only marginally less power to weight as compared to the WJ w/ 4.7 HO, which I thought was plenty quick enough. With the 5.3, it's quicker. I'm not accounting for the WJ's 5 speed vs the TB's 4 speed.
TB (with either engine) or WJ, both are a lot faster than the XJ.
A 2" leveling lift on the Trailblazer is dirt cheap, too, and you can run 16" rims w/ 32" equivalent tires pretty easy. Front locker is probably a no-go but rear, maybe..?
It looks like a damn good alternative to the Commander in terms of size and features and a step up from the WJ in size, down from Tahoe...

You forgot to mention the TBSS. LS2/AWD
Either way, if going this route I recommend a 5.3 or TBSS WOuld be awesome with a SFA swap in the front. But, There is not much room for cargo with the 3rd row installed. These are nice and handle well.
 
I've read an overwhelming amount of complaints from trailblazer owners.. From my research they were a problem child for GM(what isn't right now)

Off road capability is the one area I feel the Commander wins hands down in this thread.

With ample torque/weight and Quadradrive II, it's quite a beast in stock form, add a 2-3" lift and some 32" tires and I think it could hang with it's heritage quite well.. With QDII, traction is what sets these large heavy rigs apart
 
Are they?
What goes wrong with them? I haven't come up with anything yet.
 
I've heard of all kinds of electrical issues. Just a bunch of non stop piddly crap. Now that is all what I've heard, no personal experience. But enough for me to never consider owning one. My FIL has one and hates it
 
To clarify, the general consensus is the Trailblazer and TBSS are two COMPLETELY different vehicles.. The TBSS does not share much with the Trailblazer... :dunno:
 
I've heard of all kinds of electrical issues. Just a bunch of non stop piddly crap. Now that is all what I've heard, no personal experience. But enough for me to never consider owning one. My FIL has one and hates it
I know that like some vehicles they initially had some issues. Pretty much all were worked out within a couple years.
To clarify, the general consensus is the Trailblazer and TBSS are two COMPLETELY different vehicles.. The TBSS does not share much with the Trailblazer... :dunno:

I dunno how it is a "completely different vehicle". Sure the Trailblazer SS got a 6.0L/LS2, AWD, slightly lowered from the factory and 20" wheels.
But the Trailblazer/Envoy/Ranier had 5.3L options, same with 2 or 4wd.
If I could get a TBSS for the right price, I would.
 
I've been looking at the TrailBlazer stuff today. With the 4.2 I6 it's only marginally less power to weight as compared to the WJ w/ 4.7 HO, which I thought was plenty quick enough. With the 5.3, it's quicker. I'm not accounting for the WJ's 5 speed vs the TB's 4 speed.
TB (with either engine) or WJ, both are a lot faster than the XJ.
A 2" leveling lift on the Trailblazer is dirt cheap, too, and you can run 16" rims w/ 32" equivalent tires pretty easy. Front locker is probably a no-go but rear, maybe..?
It looks like a damn good alternative to the Commander in terms of size and features and a step up from the WJ in size, down from Tahoe...
Idk. We have had trailblazers at work for a few years. The newest one isn't to bad (09 i think and just over 140k), but other than that one I've hated them all, and there is a few things I'm not fond of on that one either. My biggest complaint is the seatbelts are built into the seat back, and they are a B-I to reach. Plus they also cut into your neck because the seats are smaller width wise than the ones in my Tahoe. The 4.2 is great for around town, and general cruising, but passing on the highway is a full throttle commitment, or you better have miles. Basically makes a bunch of bark with no bite... They have stupid auto door locks that you can't turn off unless you get one equipped with the DIC gauge cluster (the one with steering wheel controls), and the front doors don't auto unlock when you pull the door handle like a normal vehicle does. All of the ones at work are basically falling apart (except for the one). The hatch actually came apart at the hinges and fell off the one. Not to mention the interior is coming apart (Like the door panels have ripped off. trim pieces around the seats are broken off.) Of the 4 we've had two are dead. I'm not 100% sure what happened to them, but I'm thinking transmission in one. Not sure about the other. One was a 2x4, and it had a locking rear end. So they can be had with a locker from the factory. I will say one of the two dead ones, and the one that is falling apart lived, and does live a hard life pounding away in the rail yard on a daily bases. Personally if looking for a third row SUV I'd look full size. Unless you get one of the XL versions (which I think are ugly) there can't be any room in the back for the third row, and even with a XL one there wouldn't be much more. Hell my Tahoe doesn't even have a whole lot of room in the third row....
 
Hmm.
I've never worked in a rail yard. I've got to imagine you guys are flogging the crap out of these trucks, though. I've never yet seen a work truck that wasn't getting beaten on.
That said... I'll test drive a TB but expect to wind up with a Tahoe if / when the XJ has to go.
 
If I was looking at GMs I'd avoid anything with a 4L60E of any generation. Still a glass transmission it seems, not as bad as Chrysler transmissions I guess but I'd still avoid. If 4L80 or a manual is an option do that.

Dunno if that is relevant to the newer stuff.
 
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