"Yet another..." threads in tech.

Zuki-Ron said:
or Ovaltine Little Orphan Annie decoders to figure out what you've typed. :D
"Be sure to drink your ovaltine.........ovaltine!?.....a crummy commercial???.....son of a bitch!"

Sorry...love that movie :D

It could be worse though....If everybody typed like they were sending text messages (more so than they already do).
 
Gawd - "Little Orphan Annie" decoder wheels? Haven't see those in years!

As I learned it 'way back when, it didn't much matter whether punctuation went inside or outside of the quote marks depended on use...

When quoting another person, it goes inside.
When used to indicate a spoken part in a body of text, it goes inside.
When quote marks are used to set aside a "common phrase," it goes outside (thus preserving the integrity of the phrase.)

Punctuation invariably goes inside of parenthesis. When parenthesis are to be "stacked," you change the character from parenthesis to braces/brackets - and again if you go another layer down. ([{}]) This also allows you to "logically" group your side thoughts - either as an aside that is part of another aside, an aside that leads to another, ...

"Points of ellipses" (...) are only three periods, always have a leading space, and are used in situations like the above (essentially, where one knows there are other situations that can apply, elements of the list, or what-have-you, but you can't be arsed to think of them.)

HOMOPHONES - Just because they sound the same doesn't mean they're spelled the same!

It's - contraction for "it is."
Its - third-person neuter possessive pronoun.

Their - third-person collective possessive pronoun.
They're - contraction for "they are."
There - preposition used to indicate a location not immediate to the speaker (usually accompanied by pointing in the direction desired or to the location referred.)

"Our/Ours" - first-person plural (collective) possessive.
"Hour/Hours" - A unit of time - 1/24th of a day, or sixty minutes.

ENDING SENTENCES WITH PREPOSITIONS - The jury is still out on this one! It's a holdover from when Latin was considered the "ideal" language of academe, and in Latin it is impossible to place a preposition at the end of a sentence. Therefore, the rule was transferred to English - making it "bad form" but no less possible than it had been. Yes, you can restructure a sentence to place the preposition somewhere other than last. Yes, it makes you sound stilted. (Side Note - "A preposition is anywhere a mouse can go.")

Similar to points of elllipses (above,) we have et cetera - which can be abbreviated either "etc." (note presence of a period, indicating an abbreviation) or "&c" (note period again.) Both are acceptable, and are largely a matter of form.

"Et al" is similar - and is used exactly as shown (less quote marks, and taking conventional rules of capitalisation into account.) It is used largely in place of points of ellipses - but usually the context is that compleating the list would take too long or take up too much space.

"Chat Speak" belongs in a "chat room" - and nowhere bloody else! Don't use it in open forum, don't use it in conventional writing, and please - for the love of God and all that you hold holy - do not use it in any draft of a formal paper! When I took English (uni-level!) a few years ago, my first drafts were in better shape than most of the final revisions that got handed in! Bear in mind that most of these kids were six months or so out of high school, while I'd been out for a good fifteen years!

Yes, these are all things that bother me to varying degrees. Yes, there is no excuse whatever for them - apart from sheer laziness or pure bloody-mindedness (yes, I tend to use British English more than American. There are various reasons for this, not the least of which happens to have been English teachers in middle school and high school. I started doing it to annoy them...) Yes, I see most of them here.

I'm about to start not answering people who seem to lack the wit to ask questions properly. Perhaps I should - I did the same thing with my two boys, and their speaking improved immensely...

(Step One - Eliminate the word "like" from your vocabulary. No-one will think less of you if you stop to organise your throughts - unless you make some idiotic noise while you're doing it...)

(Some call me "The Pink Pedanther." I may not be very pink, but I can get pedantic - so I suppose it fits...)
 
5-90 said:
Gawd - "Little Orphan Annie" decoder wheels? Haven't see those in years!

As I learned it 'way back when, it didn't much matter whether punctuation went inside or outside of the quote marks depended on use...

When quoting another person, it goes inside.
When used to indicate a spoken part in a body of text, it goes inside.
When quote marks are used to set aside a "common phrase," it goes outside (thus preserving the integrity of the phrase.)

Punctuation invariably goes inside of parenthesis. When parenthesis are to be "stacked," you change the character from parenthesis to braces/brackets - and again if you go another layer down. ([{}]) This also allows you to "logically" group your side thoughts - either as an aside that is part of another aside, an aside that leads to another, ...

"Points of ellipses" (...) are only three periods, always have a leading space, and are used in situations like the above (essentially, where one knows there are other situations that can apply, elements of the list, or what-have-you, but you can't be arsed to think of them.)

HOMOPHONES - Just because they sound the same doesn't mean they're spelled the same!

It's - contraction for "it is."
Its - third-person neuter possessive pronoun.

Their - third-person collective possessive pronoun.
They're - contraction for "they are."
There - preposition used to indicate a location not immediate to the speaker (usually accompanied by pointing in the direction desired or to the location referred.)

"Our/Ours" - first-person plural (collective) possessive.
"Hour/Hours" - A unit of time - 1/24th of a day, or sixty minutes.

ENDING SENTENCES WITH PREPOSITIONS - The jury is still out on this one! It's a holdover from when Latin was considered the "ideal" language of academe, and in Latin it is impossible to place a preposition at the end of a sentence. Therefore, the rule was transferred to English - making it "bad form" but no less possible than it had been. Yes, you can restructure a sentence to place the preposition somewhere other than last. Yes, it makes you sound stilted. (Side Note - "A preposition is anywhere a mouse can go.")

Similar to points of elllipses (above,) we have et cetera - which can be abbreviated either "etc." (note presence of a period, indicating an abbreviation) or "&c" (note period again.) Both are acceptable, and are largely a matter of form.

"Et al" is similar - and is used exactly as shown (less quote marks, and taking conventional rules of capitalisation into account.) It is used largely in place of points of ellipses - but usually the context is that compleating the list would take too long or take up too much space.

"Chat Speak" belongs in a "chat room" - and nowhere bloody else! Don't use it in open forum, don't use it in conventional writing, and please - for the love of God and all that you hold holy - do not use it in any draft of a formal paper! When I took English (uni-level!) a few years ago, my first drafts were in better shape than most of the final revisions that got handed in! Bear in mind that most of these kids were six months or so out of high school, while I'd been out for a good fifteen years!

Yes, these are all things that bother me to varying degrees. Yes, there is no excuse whatever for them - apart from sheer laziness or pure bloody-mindedness (yes, I tend to use British English more than American. There are various reasons for this, not the least of which happens to have been English teachers in middle school and high school. I started doing it to annoy them...) Yes, I see most of them here.

I'm about to start not answering people who seem to lack the wit to ask questions properly. Perhaps I should - I did the same thing with my two boys, and their speaking improved immensely...

(Step One - Eliminate the word "like" from your vocabulary. No-one will think less of you if you stop to organise your throughts - unless you make some idiotic noise while you're doing it...)

(Some call me "The Pink Pedanther." I may not be very pink, but I can get pedantic - so I suppose it fits...)

I want to see your personal library, just to see if I can pronounce half of the titles...hehehe

As far a text message language ...that absolutely drives me to medications. It goes in the same catagory as a 45 year old mother dressing like her daughter because it "makes her feel young." Now don't get me wrong there are many women out there I don't mind seeing in halter tops and low cut jeans; but there is a line. If her stomach looks like a raisin and she has four rolls of you know what, I do not want to see her in short shorts and a bikini top... now there's an image to get out of your head.
 
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darincraft said:
I want to see your personal library, just to see if I can pronounce half of the titles...hehehe

As far a text message language ...that absolutely drives me to medications. It goes in the same catagory as a 45 year old mother dressing like her daughter because it "makes her feel young." Now don't get me wrong there are many women out there I don't mind seeing in halter tops and low cut jeans; but there is a line. If her stomach looks like a raisin and she has four rolls of you know what, I do not want to see her in short shorts and a bikini top... now there's an image to get out of your head.

There are shapely older women (I think my wife is one of them - at least by my own definitions...) and there are some women who shouldn't go out in public unless they're either fully wrapped like a mummy (so I don't have to see their bodies) or have bags over their heads (so they don't get recognised.)

Granted, I think if we were to get rid of the nudity taboo we seem to have here, and people were allowed to be nude more, the problem would solve itself - people would want to look better in their skin. I know I'm a bit overweight - but I certainly don't look like my 264# (as of last week. Weigh-in at the cardiologist.)

@darincraft - Expect a bill for eyeball bleach and psychological counselling. I see enough of that rot going about during the day, and I don't need my attention called to it especially! Putz.

Correction to my grammar mini-monograph - "points of ellipsis." I just realised myself that I'd written the rule wrong! When PoE are used as a concluding element in a list, there is to be a leading space. When PoE are used to imply continuation of a sentence, there is no leading space. Apart from that, I think I got it all straight.

Oh - and what's wrong with my library? Except for the stuff I can't read anymore (in Arabic, Farsi, Greek, German, Italian, Latin, ... I had all my languages dislodged some time ago. Sadly, I've also parted with all of those titles - donated to various libraries,) most of the stuff is pretty straightforward. The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practise. Scientific Design of Intake and Exhaust Systems. Gray's Anatomy. The Physician's Desk Reference. Automotive Machining and Engine Repair. The Elements of Style (I've probably owned a dozen copies of this one - I replace it as it gets worn out.) Those aren't difficult, are they? :D:twak:
 
5-90 said:
@darincraft - Expect a bill for eyeball bleach and psychological counselling. I see enough of that rot going about during the day, and I don't need my attention called to it especially! Putz.

Oh - and what's wrong with my library? Except for the stuff I can't read anymore (in Arabic, Farsi, Greek, German, Italian, Latin, ... I had all my languages dislodged some time ago. Sadly, I've also parted with all of those titles - donated to various libraries,) most of the stuff is pretty straightforward. The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practise. Scientific Design of Intake and Exhaust Systems. Gray's Anatomy. The Physician's Desk Reference. Automotive Machining and Engine Repair. The Elements of Style (I've probably owned a dozen copies of this one - I replace it as it gets worn out.) Those aren't difficult, are they? :D:twak:

All I am trying to do is share the joys of life in the Central Valley. I thought you would appreciate the fine women that walk freely in our downtown areas.

As far as the library, it was only a testiment to how smart and articulate you are and how dumb I am. I can speak a little Spanish, but it is mostly, "Drop the gun. Get on the ground. Etc."
 
As a side note 5-90, have you read "Cam Truth, by Buddy Rawls"? It is a comprehensive explanation of the cam more from the valve events and not all of the advertising hype of advertised durations, centerlines and for the love of God, RPM range.

If you have not, search that title and it should come up. Only 9 pages and pretty good toilet reading.
 
darincraft said:
As a side note 5-90, have you read "Cam Truth, by Buddy Rawls"? It is a comprehensive explanation of the cam more from the valve events and not all of the advertising hype of advertised durations, centerlines and for the love of God, RPM range.

If you have not, search that title and it should come up. Only 9 pages and pretty good toilet reading.

Hm. I'll have to look that one up.

I have, however, read most of what David Vizard has put out, and I took the last AUTO64HP course at De Anza taught by Dema Elgin. Even with some 25 years of wrenching behind me, I learned a great deal in that course! (If you don't know who Dema Elgin, look up either <Elgin Cams> or <Dmitri Elgin>. Man's positively a sorcerer!)

Of course, the theoretical top end of RPM range isn't strictly determined by the cam proper, but it's most of it. The top end is the point at which valves start to "float" - and it's controlled by ramp angles, lift, spring pressure, and inertia. But, I'll find that article and read it as well (I need to build a new bookshelf in the "Throne Room" anyhow...)
 
organise [/quote]

Not to be nit-picky, but as long as we are correcting others...:D

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Don't start with me... :twak:

As I'm sure I mentioned in my small monograph, I tend to use British English vice American English. I've spent too much time travelling, too much time in the British Isles and Australia (and some with the Kiwis in NZ...) and it's more "international English" than "American English" anyhow...

In middle school and high school, while most people were using Merriam-Webster, I was using the OED - printed in London. Cost me a bundle to have shipped over here (and I do need to get an updated version, I think the one I have is a good twenty-five years old!) but it did help with my stated purpose. If English teachers are going to be pedantic and nitpicky, I may as well return the "favour" and actually write in English.

Doom on them.

I just never dropped the habit. I find it gives flavour to my writing, and works as a sort of "fingerprint" for when I write things (since I don't strictly follow rules laid down by Britons, my "misspellings" in both versions of English are consistent, and serve as an authenticating mark...)
 
yjkrawlerboy said:
I'm just messin' with you. I agree with you 100%.

Cheers!

I know - that's why I threw a smilie in there for you!:twak:

If you've been around here for more than ten minutes, you've probably figured out that I tend toward British/International English. I get screwed with about it fairly consistently (have for the last 25 years or so...) but I don't care, and I don't see any reason to stop doing it.

Perhaps as English is falling apart (due mainly to chatrooms and text lingo,) I tend to regress in my use of language as a form of protest. Something I should perhaps take up with my brain mechanic. Got other issues to work through beforehand, tho...
 
I have read several articles on the cam and some of them being authored by the infamous Mr. Elgin, Mr. Iskandarian and others. The info that Mr. Rawls published was not as in depth as that. He put a lot of the events into layman's terms and built a bridge between the very technical write ups and the magazine terms.

You would probably think the article might be a little simplistic, however I thought it was a great read for anyone who does not understand the science of the cam.

I have spent years studying engines (mostly from a drag racing stand point) and I find that more and more I know less and less. I used to say "Cams are a college course." Now, I say "Cams are a college major."

Anyway back to the English lessons!!!!!!!:roflmao: :roflmao:
 
darincraft said:
I have read several articles on the cam and some of them being authored by the infamous Mr. Elgin, Mr. Iskandarian and others. The info that Mr. Rawls published was not as in depth as that. He put a lot of the events into layman's terms and built a bridge between the very technical write ups and the magazine terms.

You would probably think the article might be a little simplistic, however I thought it was a great read for anyone who does not understand the science of the cam.

I have spent years studying engines (mostly from a drag racing stand point) and I find that more and more I know less and less. I used to say "Cams are a college course." Now, I say "Cams are a college major."

Anyway back to the English lessons!!!!!!!:roflmao: :roflmao:

Believe me, I understand the transition. I did find "Cam Truth" - and the rest of his site - and I'm going to cap most of it for later perusal. I don't care how "simplistic" an article is, chances are there's a leap of logic in it I haven't made yet (all of our minds work differently. Mine is primarily by "free association" - lots of threads wandering about aimlessly until they connect to something. Results in things like inappropriate laughter and suchlike, when things connect for no good damned reason. My wife is used to it...)

Free association, coupled with rigors of logic, can be good for making some interesting breakthroughs - but if you don't carry a notepad with you constantly you can lose them. That's why I have notepads and pens everywhere - I even do some of my best thinking while I'm asleep...
 
5-90 said:
ENDING SENTENCES WITH PREPOSITIONS - The jury is still out on this one! It's a holdover from when Latin was considered the "ideal" language of academe, and in Latin it is impossible to place a preposition at the end of a sentence. Therefore, the rule was transferred to English - making it "bad form" but no less possible than it had been. Yes, you can restructure a sentence to place the preposition somewhere other than last. Yes, it makes you sound stilted. (Side Note - "A preposition is anywhere a mouse can go.")

Prepositions are not words I typically end sentences with.

But then again, sentence structure is not something I know much about.

:D
 
5-90 said:
all of our minds work differently. Mine is primarily by "free association" - lots of threads wandering about aimlessly until they connect to something. Results in things like inappropriate laughter and suchlike, when things connect for no good damned reason. My wife is used to it...)

Free association, coupled with rigors of logic, can be good for making some interesting breakthroughs - but if you don't carry a notepad with you constantly you can lose them. That's why I have notepads and pens everywhere - I even do some of my best thinking while I'm asleep...

So there is another person out there who is like me...one who stares off into space completely obsessed with some kind of technical problem or consideration and when you finally figure it out, you begin to laugh. This is usually followed by remembering where you are and seeing dozens of eyes staring at you wondering why you just started laughing during the wedding toast.:huh:What did I do?
 
darincraft said:
So there is another person out there who is like me...one who stares off into space completely obsessed with some kind of technical problem or consideration and when you finally figure it out, you begin to laugh. This is usually followed by remembering where you are and seeing dozens of eyes staring at you wondering why you just started laughing during the wedding toast.:huh:What did I do?

Yeah, but I'm usually pulling a notepad and pen out of my pocket and writing furiously. And, my laugh is usually one that has people actually backing away at the time...

I can't really fault them. I used to practise my "withering smile" at the aquarium against the shark tank until I got banned. It seems the keeper noticed them keeping to the far end of the tank, away from the window, and not eating. There are times when I smile and it makes things worse instead of better...

But, I'm not "compleatly obsessed" with the problem. I'm more probably thinking about something else when logic and FA does its thing. Fortunately, my wife works much the same way, so she doesn't get disturbed or offended when it happens (and neither do I, when the situation is reversed.)

"I've just had an apostrophe."
"I think you mean 'epiphany'."
"Lightning has struck my brain."
"That must have hurt."
 
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