Yes, another HP D44 build thread, just a few Q's

People do the Chevy small bearing stuff for the ability to mix Chevy knuckles (for highsteer) with Ford stuff (for the 5x5.5 bolt pattern). If you dont want to do high steer, there is no advantage for you.

This is the setup I run, however without the flatop knuckles. I believe the previous owner set it up this way so that if/when he wanted to do highsteer he could just swap out the knuckles.

However, I have some mid 80's dodge axles which have flattops and 5x5.5. Anyone know why these are not used? And no they are not a unit bearing setup, they are traditional hub on spindle.
 
Early '70's to '77 Ford axles (78 or 79 if you plan on reusing the Ford radius arm set up, because these axles can't be narrowed without retubing them) They are Driver side HP axles.

Waggy axles are low pinion.
but getting one from a 78 or 79 bronco is the same width as a XJ and need no narrowing?
 
but getting one from a 78 or 79 bronco is the same width as a XJ and need no narrowing?

Huh?

No, if you look at an axle from a '78 or '79, you will see it has cast wedges for the radius arm mounts. There is NO axle tube in there. So, if you remove the cast wedges, and just weld the inner C's to the remaining axle tube, you will have an axle that is way too narrow to use.
 
I'm not Starboard, but I'll add my input to these questions.
My HPD60 is center section is offset more to the pass side than a stock axle. I don't have any issues other than the pinion yoke gets very close to the stock exhaust on full bump. Granted it is a D60, but it is something to check with a D44. I know a few people that run waggy width D44s up front with no clearance problems.

As for a "mock up method", what do you mean? Put the axle underneath, point the pinion at the t-case, set the C's at a driveable angle (assuming you're narrowing it), and you are all set.

Using the measurements off your old D30 is up to you. There is no rulebook stating you have to use those measurements. I for one would bring the LCA mounts further up on the center line of the tube (rather than hanging down) and would push out the coil buckets out slightly for better spring compression when the axle is flexed.

As for your rear axle issue, grab some aftermarket shafts for that D44. Most (the good ones anyway) will have a dual drilled pattern allowing you to run the 5on5.5" pattern. You'll still need new wheels though.

I didn't know if most people are taking measurements off their D30 and installing the mounts that way. I was thinking of making a jig and doing it that way, either that or actually mounting the axle in place and fitting the brackets, then tack welding.

Would like more input on the off-center issue with the waggy width D44's though.
 
I didn't know if most people are taking measurements off their D30 and installing the mounts that way. I was thinking of making a jig and doing it that way, either that or actually mounting the axle in place and fitting the brackets, then tack welding.

Would like more input on the off-center issue with the waggy width D44's though.

As Bill (RCman) and I have stated, there is no right/wrong way or any rulebook that prohibits you from setting this axle up anyway you would like. The pinion yoke and driver side UCA can get relatively close together when swapping in a narrowed HP44, so that's something to look out for in relation to clearance issues. This is especially the case with TNT's Y-Link Long arms, because the LCA's have the bend pushing them more towards the middle of the vehicle.

I based the bracketry location on my HP44 off the measurements of a stock Dana 30. However, I did increase the distance between the coil perches, by moving them outboard .5" on each side (total of 1" altogether.) I wish I had the chance to move the perches back 2", but my mounts are already welded, and I don't feel like grinding on this housing anymore. :cool:

I'll share what I did with mine, but it might take a few times to understand it. It's hard to picture this stuff without having a physical example in front of you, as well as a tape measure to double check everything. To begin with, I found my axle was .75" off center to the passenger side.

I narrowed my short side to Wagoneer width, and my long side to Rubicon width. Because the Rubicon shaft is slightly shorter, I was able to remove an extra .25" off the long side. This took me from being .75" off center, to .5" off center. Follow?

Next, I left my driver coil perch flush against the truss, and moved my passenger coil perch outboard a full 1". This gave me the extra .5" on each side I was looking for. It was recommended to me by several members to space them out like this. Not only does it help with compression, but also with clearance between the track bar mount and driver coil spring.

I then took my LCA mounts and spaced them apart 30" from inside edge to inside edge. To make sure they were equal distance on both sides, I placed each mount 15" from the center of the housing. (2 x 15" = 30") Stock distance on the Dana 30 is slightly less than 30".

Lastly, the truss. I kept it where it's supposed to be, and I really didn't feel like modifying it. With all the steps I followed above, my UCA mounts were slightly different from their stock location on the Dana 30. Had the UCA mounts not been welded on from the get-go, I probably wouldn't have encountered this difference. TNT might be able to ship the truss and mounts separately, instead of attaching them at the time of your order. If so, this would allow you to place the mounts where you want them. I didn't have this option.

With everything I just explained, I knew my UCA mounts were going to be slightly different than stock. Because they were, my passenger side UCA was going to need modification. With the difference, I altered the angle in which the arm connects to the bushing on the truss. (in English, the bolt holes on my arm didn't line up with the bushings holes in the truss) However, the bushings of the truss required a larger bolt than what I was using prior on my Dana 30. To utilize the bigger bolt, I had to enlarge the bolt holes on the arm. From here, I simply drilled the holes to match up to the holes on the truss bushing.

Still with me? :D

That's how I did mine. Like I mentioned earlier, it's hard to understand all this without having the pieces to the puzzle directly in front of you. I wasn't fully aware of what this off center issue was until I needed to figure out a way around it. I haven't completely finished my housing yet. When I do, I plan to document everything in a detailed write up.

Scott
 
Yeah, I think I'm with you

I'm starting to think it may be more trouble then I thought. All in all, axle being a 3/4" off isn't gonna hurt anything, as long everything doesn't interfer when flexing, turning, etc?

Maybe I should go full width's front and rear?



AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
 
UPDATE:

Found a HP44/9" combo, went ahead and picked it up.

Have a few more stupid, simple Q's

Looking for UCA mounts, I was thinking clayton's, but wouldn't mind a rubber mount, which rusty's has. What do you guys think? Clayton's JJ mounts? Or Rusty's rubber mounts?

I'm assuming everyone's gonna say Clayton's just because Rusty's is junk, but only reason I'm looking at it is because they're the only company I see selling JUST the UCA mounts with rubber bushings.

Also, T&T's coil buckets, are those priced per pair or individual? Looks like individual but if you go to the trusses, it lists them as a pair.
 
I'm running a fullwidth Waggy 44 up front. I didn't cut it down, used Dyna Trac brackets (with rubber UCA inserts), and I used all Ford outers for a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern.

Here's a JP Magazine article that helped me out while building the 44:

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/drivetrain/axletech/154_0706_junkyard_dana_44_axle/index.html

Here is the link to the DynaTrac brackets:

https://store.dynatrac.com/merchant...PCI&Product_Code=TJFBRKT&Category_Code=BRCKTS

And finally, here is a pic of my setup:

21964_637340168263_23205983_3770188.jpg
 
I'm running a fullwidth Waggy 44 up front. I didn't cut it down, used Dyna Trac brackets (with rubber UCA inserts), and I used all Ford outers for a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern.

Here's a JP Magazine article that helped me out while building the 44:

http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/drivetrain/axletech/154_0706_junkyard_dana_44_axle/index.html

Here is the link to the DynaTrac brackets:

https://store.dynatrac.com/merchant...PCI&Product_Code=TJFBRKT&Category_Code=BRCKTS

And finally, here is a pic of my setup:

21964_637340168263_23205983_3770188.jpg

Nice man, so you still have the factory XJ width rear diff? Can you tell they're off a lot?

I'm really excited to get this thing going, can't wait to get it done!
 
Hmmm, but if I narrow it to Rubicon specs, it will be 1.25" wider then stock? Would this work using my XJ D44? Is there any problem with the waggy width D44's being off center a little?





Are you running a stock XJ style rear end?

I run a Currie HP9'' rear built to stock Cherokee spec. I may end up running spacers on the rear wheels to make up for the extra inches on the front. I would do that more for looks than for performance. There is nothing wrong with the rear being a couple inches narrower, it just looks funny.
 
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