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PornstaR said:
Sobriety checkpoints wouldn't be such a bad thing either, now that I think about it...hmm...
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Would you pay to play? OHV funding
- Thread starter dailydrivin89
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Sobriety checkpoints wouldn't be such a bad thing either, now that I think about it...hmm...
KarlVP
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- Location
- Hardcoreville, WA
PornstaR said:
I have never recieved a ticket while in an ORV park or area.
I must be doing something wrong.
w_howey
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- The Mudwest
speedmonkey7 said:
Google Erie Jeep People. They are in your area.....
sams88
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- Location
- Tri-Cities, WA
A message back up the line mentioned license plates. That would be a good thing. While they cost extra, the other programs/groups that have special plates get to define where the extra bucks each year are going to... which would keep the money out of the state general fund. It would also give the state and some others a visual reminder of how many people in this state were supporting the trail system and get some daily reminder out there on the highways that there are other people besides the hard core greenies that like to use our public lands.
Metal Thrasher
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Yes.
But.... The trail pass system money was set up so that a large portion would stay in the area. The use of that money that stands out the most in my area was to build a wheelchair accessable trail. Basicly a hike through the woods became a sidewalk. It costs a LOT more to lay a boardwalk than it does to run a shovel and rake. Then a flood came along and wiped out the suspension bridge and it is a hike again.
Private ventures? I have seen a few locations where you can literally pat to play on private land. The problem there is that they are usually very limited in size and often jam up with customers.
So if we are talking about an additional daily use fee for access to the places that we already support with our trail passes... Yes if that is what it takes to maintain them. If we are talking about a private venture, maybe. Depends on quality and accessability.
But.... The trail pass system money was set up so that a large portion would stay in the area. The use of that money that stands out the most in my area was to build a wheelchair accessable trail. Basicly a hike through the woods became a sidewalk. It costs a LOT more to lay a boardwalk than it does to run a shovel and rake. Then a flood came along and wiped out the suspension bridge and it is a hike again.
Private ventures? I have seen a few locations where you can literally pat to play on private land. The problem there is that they are usually very limited in size and often jam up with customers.
So if we are talking about an additional daily use fee for access to the places that we already support with our trail passes... Yes if that is what it takes to maintain them. If we are talking about a private venture, maybe. Depends on quality and accessability.
M21
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- Florissant, Colorado
It's our land. We own it and not the government. I'm not sure why I should feel compelled to pay the government to use my land.
Maybe we should stop thinking of it as the government's (Kings) land. It's ours. Why is the government in the land business anyway?
Boy we sure have come a long way from the founders intent. Next thing the government will do is resitrict your right to own a gu.....never mind.
Maybe we should stop thinking of it as the government's (Kings) land. It's ours. Why is the government in the land business anyway?
Boy we sure have come a long way from the founders intent. Next thing the government will do is resitrict your right to own a gu.....never mind.
CanMan
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- Lake Tapps, WA
Blkxjkrawler said:
Yep. X2.
mud1059
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- Graham/Kapowsin, WA
...or right!KarlVP said:
I love how the roads can get cleaned up within days for the clear cut loggers.
GlueNTape
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- Location
- Tualatin, OR
We can all bitch and moan, but maintaining trails is a lot of work. I would say even more so in the North West. No matter how you slice and dice it, wheelin through a forest is damaging. As careful as you maybe it still is a huge contributor to erosion. Especailly with all the rain we get in the North West.
That being said, a pay for play situation may be a little expensive if that is where all the funding comes from. Really, there needs to be more corporate involvement from industry leaders, sponsering OHV areas, along with 4x4 groups, adopting trails and maintaining them. I just read an article that BFGoodRich just donated some cash to TSF because of the "crusher" trail which is a natural boulder field, that is an award winning trail.
Has anyone in the NW chapter of
ever propsed doing a trail adoption? or something similar? I was shooting at browns camp the other day and a couple of the others there were talking about how they organize group "clean up" days to clear out the quarry, so they will keep it accessible for shooting. They remove truck loads of debris and junk people bring to shoot at. (the only legal targets are paper) Perhaps we do the same. Work with the TSF, and see how we can help? It may go along way to keeping trails open, and make it easier to hold events and competitions should they need ever arise.
I am pretty new to NW wheelin and have enjoyed a few nice days in the TSF, It would be a shame for them to close it. In talking with soem locals, they have greatly reduced the "jeep" accessible trails over the last few years.
arty: :scared: arty: :cheers: :scared: :cheers:
That being said, a pay for play situation may be a little expensive if that is where all the funding comes from. Really, there needs to be more corporate involvement from industry leaders, sponsering OHV areas, along with 4x4 groups, adopting trails and maintaining them. I just read an article that BFGoodRich just donated some cash to TSF because of the "crusher" trail which is a natural boulder field, that is an award winning trail.
Has anyone in the NW chapter of
ever propsed doing a trail adoption? or something similar? I was shooting at browns camp the other day and a couple of the others there were talking about how they organize group "clean up" days to clear out the quarry, so they will keep it accessible for shooting. They remove truck loads of debris and junk people bring to shoot at. (the only legal targets are paper) Perhaps we do the same. Work with the TSF, and see how we can help? It may go along way to keeping trails open, and make it easier to hold events and competitions should they need ever arise. I am pretty new to NW wheelin and have enjoyed a few nice days in the TSF, It would be a shame for them to close it. In talking with soem locals, they have greatly reduced the "jeep" accessible trails over the last few years.
arty: :scared: arty: :cheers: :scared: :cheers:
Knowing that I am one heartbeat or one rollover from a serious disability makes me ok with making the occasional wheelchair accessible trail. May be the only way to get out in the woods if my luck turns bad. I actually think this is a pretty lame example. (pun intended). In some ways my XJ is just a huge wheelchair.
Truth is that there are a lot of people who think that spending public money on trails for the likes of us is not exactly important either.
This is an area where I am probably more sensitive having worked with people who have disabilities. If everyone could precisely target revenue (I want a trail wide enough for an XJ, but do not want money spent on ATV trails etc. etc. ) then we would probably, as a relatively small constituency get the short end of the stick.
On the other hand everything this group can do to show that it is actually a great thing to have Jeeps rolling around the backwoods helps the cause. Willingness to pay to play is one of the things like pulling civilians out of snow banks that helps immensely.
Truth is that there are a lot of people who think that spending public money on trails for the likes of us is not exactly important either.
This is an area where I am probably more sensitive having worked with people who have disabilities. If everyone could precisely target revenue (I want a trail wide enough for an XJ, but do not want money spent on ATV trails etc. etc. ) then we would probably, as a relatively small constituency get the short end of the stick.
On the other hand everything this group can do to show that it is actually a great thing to have Jeeps rolling around the backwoods helps the cause. Willingness to pay to play is one of the things like pulling civilians out of snow banks that helps immensely.
Doyle
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- Gilbert, AZ
I like the liscense plate idea, also, in Oregon we pay what $10 for a two year ohv permit? I am sure everyone would pay $25 a year for the same permit, why not raise the price of the permit you need to go wheeling and have the money distributed back to the trails?
Seems to me there are a couple ways that money could easily go into the trail system, but I am sure that sand lake is considered a ohv area in oregon, and they have more people patroling that area on a weekend than the county I live in has paid officers for policing. Explain to me how having 3-4 sherriffs there almost every weekend and 1-3 during the day is good use of tax payer dollars.
Seems to me there are a couple ways that money could easily go into the trail system, but I am sure that sand lake is considered a ohv area in oregon, and they have more people patroling that area on a weekend than the county I live in has paid officers for policing. Explain to me how having 3-4 sherriffs there almost every weekend and 1-3 during the day is good use of tax payer dollars.
300$XJ
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- Spokane Valley, WA
I believe paragon is closed, but there is rausch creek, here are the links to both!
http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/
http://www.paragonap.com/
http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/
http://www.paragonap.com/
speedmonkey7 said:
GlueNTape
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- Tualatin, OR
Doyle said:
Ticket generated income. I bet they get a fair share of violations.
Doyle
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- Gilbert, AZ
mostly when I am out there its alcohol violations ticketing parents for letting there young ones ride alone/without helmets.
Its just annoying to see that much law enforcement in a small area, when was the last time you saw any at browns camp?
who knows, I like the idea of pay to play, but there is no way if we are talking about public lands the government can effectively manage a budget to improve/police etc. riding areas without ending up spending the budget on the bearucracy involved in spending the money.
Its just annoying to see that much law enforcement in a small area, when was the last time you saw any at browns camp?
who knows, I like the idea of pay to play, but there is no way if we are talking about public lands the government can effectively manage a budget to improve/police etc. riding areas without ending up spending the budget on the bearucracy involved in spending the money.
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