Won't start

mcantar18c

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Ok, it ain't a Jeep, but troubleshooting this would be mostly the same with an XJ.

Dual batt. setup, around 800-850 CCA each. Starter battery is only a couple weeks old, but I'll load-test both of them tomorrow to be sure.
I don't think its the alternator itself, as the past couple days its started out cranking real slow and then increased speed, as if the alt. was providing a little juice.
Then tonight instead of picking up speed and finally firing it just drained the battery and died. Jumped it, brought it home, tightened the belts (alternator belt was a bit loose), jumped it again, drove a good 30 min at highway speed, electrical components were strong and healthy... tells me that the charging system is good at least. Brought it home and killed it, waited a few seconds and started it up again... cranked much slower than normal but fired after a good 5 seconds of cranking. Waited 30 seconds and killed it. Went out for 30-45 min, came home and tried again to make sure it'd be on its feet for school tomorrow... cranked a few times and died
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From how it felt after I killed it and started it I'd guess that a good 10-15 seconds of being off would have drained her enough to prevent cranking.
All this has me thinkin parasitic load... a short would most likely prevent starting regardless of the voltage or amps running through, whereas a parasitic load only consumes so much. Anybody second this? Disagree? Any other possibilities?
 
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You need to at least measure the voltage at the battery while the engine is running before you can give the alternator a pass.

Then you need to measure the voltage before you say "it's drained". Dirty connections and grounds can act the same way.

BTW, an oil soaked starter can lose it's ground path. Never mind how I know this...
 
It might be helpful if we knew what type of vehicle you're talking about beyond just "it ain't a Jeep".

Can you bypass the dual setup and run on a single battery? I'd try that. It'll either fix the problem, or eliminate one place to look for it.

Is the belt tight enough? Get a gauge for it. Just eyeballing it might not be enough. Sounds like you were on the right track there.
 
You guys are thinking too hard. I have replaced the starter in my 7.3 4 times. It does the same thing. Gets real slow when the starter is going bad. Once I throw a new one in it cranks like a son of b@tch. I have lifetime one from Advance so I just take it back when it gets weak.

So if the batteries seem good take out the starter and have them test it at the parts store. Do you own a voltmeter?
 
ID definately have your starter tested to make sure it's not drawing too many amps. If it passes the test at checker ( I doubt it will ) then look into your batteries And alternator. Of course it never hurts to test those things anyways and you should make sure all your connections are good, tight, and clean. I definately lean toward the starter though.
 
Ok, so I'm just not seeing why you Ford guys are so loyal.....

-Mason with his new to him rig having starting issues already
-'Stang's Lincoln engine issues with bad part after bad part
-'Stang's S.D. having needed 4 starters
-'Stang's S.D. not running for several months
-'Stang's mustang having distributor issues
-My own experience with 7.3 IDI's and their injection systems, cavitation and other quirks.........


And all the while my 3 Dodge trucks I've owned since '98 never left me stranded, never once failed to start except the time I left the interior lights on draining the battery, and never had to take in for warranty issues due to driveability..........


Just sayin'............ :D
 
Ok, so I'm just not seeing why you Ford guys are so loyal.....

-Mason with his new to him rig having starting issues already
-'Stang's Lincoln engine issues with bad part after bad part
-'Stang's S.D. having needed 4 starters
-'Stang's S.D. not running for several months
-'Stang's mustang having distributor issues
-My own experience with 7.3 IDI's and their injection systems, cavitation and other quirks.........


And all the while my 3 Dodge trucks I've owned since '98 never left me stranded, never once failed to start except the time I left the interior lights on draining the battery, and never had to take in for warranty issues due to driveability..........


Just sayin'............ :D



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Well you could look at it this way- remember the old Maytag man commercials? Here's a Ford fixer doing a lot of sitting around lately.

Because they can't get their broke junk TO you........ sheesh.

Get mobile - there's work for you in Littleton and Parker......... :D
 
-'Stang's Lincoln engine issues with bad part after bad part
It was only one bad part. And the engine was bad when I bought the Lincoln cause the PO did not know how to use 91+ when he filled up.
-'Stang's S.D. having needed 4 starters
Have you ever bought a starter from Advance? Nuff said.

-'Stang's S.D. not running for several months
That was because I was too much of cheap ass to buy the part I knew it needed.
-'Stang's mustang having distributor issues
Ever been to Iowa? You would know distributors go bad and corrode from the humid climate.
This coming from the guy who makes money off piles of broken Pentastars. LOL Just saying...:rolleyes:
 
Alright so I'll be pulling the starter tomorrow and testing it out, but before I do that I'm gonna take a test light or DMM, whichever I find first, and put it between the - cable and batt post and just start pullin fuses. That should ID where the problem is.
 
No lol I'm not just sayin that. My bud has a 6" tall 92 YJ on brand new 35's, he wants to sell/trade for something more comfortable... he's lookin at gettin an XJ, I told him I'd help him build one if he sold me his YJ for cheap.
 
Mason some time if you sell something that is actually been washed recently ,a prospective buyer might think you gave a shit about it and you would be surprised how few people care that a diesel p/u will run 100mph i would pull that add wash the truck and re write the add
 
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