Windows XP and Me...

5-90

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Or, "Why should I bother with XP?"

The time is coming - this computer is kept in working order by technical expetise, willpower, and spit - and I'm running out of spit.

I'm considering buying and OEM box, but all the current OEM's come with XP. I can find a few "dumb" boxes out there, but a dumb box pretty well kills the advantage of an OEM box - getting to ask someone else the technical questions for a change.

Given what also seems to be an increasing paucity in Win2KPro availability, and the question arises:

"What Earthly reason is there for me to upgrade to XP?"

Let me toss out a few points before you answer that question.

1) Win2KPro does everything I need it to do, and does it rather well (for a Microsoft product.) It is everything I wanted when I had to go to Win32/WinNT, and my main problems now are hardware rather than software.

2) I don't really care for the major shift in interface and core architecture I saw in XP. One of the (rare) positive points in the old Win32 series was the fact that the interface didn't really change, and the cores were similar enough that all you really had to do was learn the new capabilities and diagnostic tools. Consistency was - and is - a good thing in some places - it allows you to focus on what other changes are more important (tax code, vehicle code, smog regulations, your job, &c. &c.)

3) Cost - I already have a copy of Win2K - although I'll probably need a new CD soon. If I build a box, isn't a copy of 2K less than a copy of XP?

4) Capability - what is there in XP that I NEED, that I won't find in 2K? Bear in mind that I'm not building hyper-multimedia machinery here - this is more like a customised office machine, and the prime requisite is RELIABILITY - followed by SIMPLICITY. I've got enough to work on...

5) Modern Equipment. I really don't need the latest and greatest (although I must admit this will mark the first time I've looked at a software box as part of planning a system - but I've got to be able to run DOOM III.) So, it's not, strictly speaking, necessary for me to be able to run the Intel Mega-Fast 10000GHz Pentium 73 with a terabyte of QDR ramchips - that's not a direction I'm heading. Hell, I think this box I'm running right now is an old Cel-A 500 or therabouts, and it runs W2KPSP4 just fine.

6) Microsoft Reputation. I've spent a few years as a tech, and I've been playing with computers since the Z80 was SOTA, so I've had time to formulate some opinions. Honestly, W2K is the first "as adverised" Microsoft OS I've had occasion to work with since, oh, MS-DOS 5.0 or so. Even in the DOS era, I went with DR-DOS 6.2, since it did everything MS-DOS 6.22 did, but did it better, faster, and more efficiently. The only real reason I'm still using Win32 is that the support for applications under Linux is just catching up, and I've not had much chance to play with Lindows yet. No, I won't run Apple - I've got too much legacy equipment that talks to PCs...

Gimme yer best shot. I'm always willing to be convinced, but sometimes it's harder to do than others...

5-90
 
Okay... here goes:

XP Pro does the job well, it has that stupid interface standard, but you CAN change that, I hate the cartoon interface and think it was a horrible idea to change how everything is done...but that's just me...

I still run into things that are different with XP vs. NT/2000, but I haven't hit any real big things.

The ONLY reason I chose to purchase my laptop with XP vs. 2000 is becuase of XP Pro's bulit in Terminal Services server (called RDC), allows me to control my work laptop from my home Mac if I need anything.

Also - If you call Dell you may be able to get a machine built with 2000 loaded on instead of XP, I know I still can.

Sequoia
 
Find a good local builder. Use either an Intel 9xx chipset board with the new 775 P4 or an Asus board with the same chipset. With the Intel get onboard video, audio, nic, it will have a PCIx slot if you want more video down the line.
The Asus same way, cept I would skip the onboard video and go straight for a PCIx video card off the bat. Go with sata drives, alot faster then ata's.
Power supplies, Antec, case Antec, reuse some of your older hardware like cd for installing and the old HD for a second storage medium.
Install the OS first, the immeadiately install the boards support CD for the chipset and onboard drivers before you do any thing else then the video.
The 1000lb gorilla companies cant build systems like that, they have too much old tech stuff to get rid of or pawn off on unknowing buyers..
Like you I liked 2k over XP but XP is kind of growing on me some even though unix is still king no matter what flavor... alot of my home users are running linux and either open office or star office, they don't have to contend with the virus BS and it keep their kids from playing games all the time too... though I will admit that one of them figured out how to put up a UT server on a linux box but at least he had to work for it and read to get it up....
 
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just build it yourself- you can get "barebones" kits everywhere on the net. With you apparent knowledge of electronics as I've read in other post- you should not be at all afraid to build a PC. and then you can load whatever OS you want.... as long as the hardware agrees.... and whatever software you plan on running....heck just get xp pro and turn down all the fancy crap that comes with it so the performance goes up.

o, and sata drives are not A LOT faster than standard ide drive, just a lil faster and a lot better airflow :laugh3: - benchmarking reveals all!!

gaming or multimedia rig? gaming go with amd, multitasking, media blah blah blah get intel:gag: did I say that?? errrr

0111100101101111011101010010000001100001011100100110010100100000011100110111010001110101011100000110100101100100 -heh heh:laugh3:
 
Nah - it's not that I'm afraid to build a box (Hell, I soldered a few of my first computers together from Heathkits, that's how far back I go...) I just like the idea of making Windows problems belong to someone else. Of course, with most tech support being offshore and most of the rest staffed by kids that don't shave yet, that may not be the best idea... I'm just tired of fixing EVERYTHING.

Oh - and would you translate your binary? I could do it I'm sure, but I don't feel like taking your data stream apart, smart guy. Don't make me answer you in base-11!

This isn't primarily going to be a gaming rig (I don't care, as long as it runs my FPS games to DOOM 3!) I need it for office-type work, editing G-code, light CAD, and a couple books I'm writing - The Jeep I6 Power Manual andThe Cherokee/Comanche Technical Manual - and just wait until I finally wear ACTIA down into giving me specs on the RENIX system, and you'll see my electronics background (insert evil snigger here...)

Yeah - I'll probably end up building this thing myself just like the last couple dozen I've had (I used to get paid to build computer systems, so I have gotten fairly good at it...) I just wanted to see what my options were.

If I were to go with XP (gasp! The horrors!) what services would I have to get out of my way, and can I make it "look and feel" like the old Win32 stuff that I'm used to? If I can't "fix" the interface, that may just nix the entire OS. Cross-platform compatibility isn't an issue for me, and I don't do anything with RAS at the moment, so I'm not worried about that either. I'm just tired of the whole damn "latest and greatest" thing, and I'm still not happy with M$ for trashing legacy DOS support - making a whole separate machine necessary for some applications that I see no reason to "upgrade..."

5-90
 
the biggest things to get on a fresh xp install are the service packs, you can maually download em at the windows website, then updates, type in sp2 "service pack 2" this will give you most everything you need- then browse and see what else may be of interest to you.

- yeah I run a-cad 2005 and a-cad inventor on my AMD rig- works well enough, but the numbercrunching it does on some of my projects for my classes would run circles around doom 3- wish I had the funds to buil a seperate box with the new P5 that will be out soon and a cad card- or a dual xenon proc box would kick up my isoline count from 500 to bout 4000:)

and the binary translates to "you are stupid" just to poke fun at ya... It's on my coffee mug along with a molecule of caffiene- wooooo
 
dothedew24_7 said:
just build it yourself- you can get "barebones" kits everywhere on the net. With you apparent knowledge of electronics as I've read in other post- you should not be at all afraid to build a PC. and then you can load whatever OS you want.... as long as the hardware agrees.... and whatever software you plan on running....heck just get xp pro and turn down all the fancy crap that comes with it so the performance goes up.

o, and sata drives are not A LOT faster than standard ide drive, just a lil faster and a lot better airflow :laugh3: - benchmarking reveals all!!

gaming or multimedia rig? gaming go with amd, multitasking, media blah blah blah get intel:gag: did I say that?? errrr

0111100101101111011101010010000001100001011100100110010100100000011100110111010001110101011100000110100101100100 -heh heh:laugh3:

Did not think that much about sata vs eide either till I installed two machines, both same MB, same processor, same memory, clones, exception being one sata one eide 80gig seagates. XP pro sp2, office2003, sata machine finished 12 min ahead of the eide machine, unattended installs using images built with the opk kit. Suprised me.
 
I are not...

Yeah - I know all about Service Packs (bugpacks, we used to call them...) I still have SP3-6 for NT floating around, and I just threw on W2KSP4, and put it on a CD with SP1-3. That, and all the other tech updates that I keep in the Archives...

How many SP's are there for XP, anyhow? I've not looked...

Still didn't answer my other question - can I make XP look like 2K to me, and what should I whack to keep things clean? I don't run any really heavy CAD (hell, I remember when "computer-aided design" was having a calculator next to your drawing board...) so it's not like I need any really heavy number crunching. I still do most of my design work on paper, and DOOM3 is probably the most clock-intensive things I'll run for a while...

I'm still not actually convinced, but I'm thinking - that's a start...

5-90
 
5-90 said:
I are not...

Yeah - I know all about Service Packs (bugpacks, we used to call them...) I still have SP3-6 for NT floating around, and I just threw on W2KSP4, and put it on a CD with SP1-3. That, and all the other tech updates that I keep in the Archives...

How many SP's are there for XP, anyhow? I've not looked...

Still didn't answer my other question - can I make XP look like 2K to me, and what should I whack to keep things clean? I don't run any really heavy CAD (hell, I remember when "computer-aided design" was having a calculator next to your drawing board...) so it's not like I need any really heavy number crunching. I still do most of my design work on paper, and DOOM3 is probably the most clock-intensive things I'll run for a while...

I'm still not actually convinced, but I'm thinking - that's a start...

5-90

There is a 'classic' option for the 'look and feel' to make it look like w2k.
 
I've run both W2KP and XP Pro at work, and finally upgraded both of my machines at home to XP Pro. XP has been the most stable so far, and my home machines actually run better with this OS. I've zero problems. Hmmm.....is this a Microsoft product? :laugh3:
 
Tom R. said:
I've run both W2KP and XP Pro at work, and finally upgraded both of my machines at home to XP Pro. XP has been the most stable so far, and my home machines actually run better with this OS. I've zero problems. Hmmm.....is this a Microsoft product? :laugh3:
speakin of mircosoft products, halo 2 is sweeeet, just got it. and the only real complaint for xp that I Have is the "search feature" how any search program can look for 15sec through 285G of harddrive space and say not found baffles me
 
RichP said:
Did not think that much about sata vs eide either till I installed two machines, both same MB, same processor, same memory, clones, exception being one sata one eide 80gig seagates. XP pro sp2, office2003, sata machine finished 12 min ahead of the eide machine, unattended installs using images built with the opk kit. Suprised me.
I ment soley for gaming. although there is a difference, it is not that signifigant when it comes to gaming. hardcore data transfer over a period of time would deffinently give the advantage to sata
 
dothedew24_7 said:
I ment soley for gaming. although there is a difference, it is not that signifigant when it comes to gaming. hardcore data transfer over a period of time would deffinently give the advantage to sata

Oh, you want a F-A-S-T drive ?? can you live with 10gigs ? if so I got one for you, only $5000.00....a bargain... :wave:
Built a few systems for one customer that wanted those solid state drives, almost had heart failure when I went to order them. Renegotiated and let HIM pay for them puppies and had them shipped here, same with the half dozen 52" plasma's for them...

Must be nice to be able to setup a gameing room for you and 5 of your friends in an 80ft long basement purpose built just for gaming and home entertainment.... nothing like inheriting a few million....
 
dothedew24_7 said:
speakin of mircosoft products, halo 2 is sweeeet, just got it. and the only real complaint for xp that I Have is the "search feature" how any search program can look for 15sec through 285G of harddrive space and say not found baffles me

XP search defaults to dumb mode. I think if you get into its options and tell it to look everywhere it should, it will a) slow way way down, and b) find stuff.

Oh, and shoot the dog.
 
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I have to go with building an AMD system, yourself. Just finished mine, XP3200+ chip, 1G Corsair Twin Stick RAM, 750GB of HD space, DVD/CDRW, media reader, 256MB ATI 9200 Vid card, 500W PS...cost me about $800 and 4 hours of time. Was well worth it. My system flies, seamless Doom3 with vid rate turned all the way up.
 
Urban Redneck said:
I have to go with building an AMD system, yourself. Just finished mine, XP3200+ chip, 1G Corsair Twin Stick RAM, 750GB of HD space, DVD/CDRW, media reader, 256MB ATI 9200 Vid card, 500W PS...cost me about $800 and 4 hours of time. Was well worth it. My system flies, seamless Doom3 with vid rate turned all the way up.
sounds awsome...errr wait...9200?!?!?
 
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