who ya voting for?

who are you voting for?

  • Bush:)

    Votes: 154 75.5%

  • Kerry:(

    Votes: 42 20.6%

  • wasting it on third party

    Votes: 8 3.9%
  • Total voters
    204
  • Poll closed .
Sarge said:
But does your vote really matter any more? Considering it is the electoral college who actually the pres in and not our own individual votes? And yes, the EC has voted aginst the states wishes at times. Not saying you shouldn't vote, just throwing fuel into the fire.

Sarge
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last election, the state of illinois elected gore by only 338 votes (IIRC)

338 votes!

every vote counts.

what is EQUALLY important to each of us, and probably has more direct impact on us PERSONALLY, are the LOCAL elections! Most people that enter a voting booth don't know who the other names are on the ballot, or what they represent. KNOW THE NAMES.

Whats EXTREMELY important about this election is the fact that supreme court seats will be appointed. Supreme Court Justices are APPOINTED. Not ELECTED.
 
Beezil,

Not necessarily. There have been 4 times when the dude who got the most actual votes didn't win and 2004 was one. Also there have been times when the state voted one way but the EC for the stae voted the other. In 1988 the voters voted for Dukakis but the EC dude voted for Bentsen.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/campaign2000race.html

Having said that I vote every time and yes, you are very correct the local votes are very important.

Sarge
 
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Sarge said:
Beezil,

Not necessarily. There have been 4 times when the dude who got the most actual votes didn't win and 2004 was one. Also there have been times when the state voted one way but the EC for the stae voted the other. In 1988 the voters voted for Dukakis but the EC dude voted for Bentsen.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/campaign2000race.html

Having said that I vote every time and yes, you are very correct the local votes are very important.

Sarge
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I am fully aware of how the electoral college works.

I am merely pointing out the fact that the attitude of "my vote doesn't count" become contageous, it WILL affect the outcome of the election.

I am astonished how many people out in the factory do not intend to vote, nor do they intend to register. Yet, they'll sit around in small groups around the shop during breaktime, and bitch about the state of the world and the country.

UNREAL.

does the existance of the electoral college inspire this poor attitude?

Maybe.

The conversations were lively today, and I hope that those that watched the debates last night have been encouraged to register and cast thier votes.
 
Beez, I've always looked at the 'non-voting but bitching' groups as speaking their minds. I personally feel that if they don't like any candidate running then they certainly don't have to vote...and they certainly have the right to bitch about it. If I don't like anyone running and there's no suitable write-in (no, I'm not going to the polls to write in Mickey Mouse) then I think I have every right to complain. Don't like it, don't vote! IMHO the biggest waste of a vote is 'anyone but...' We've always been drilled that the only way for our voices to be heard is to 'get out and vote', but that's not the case...especially with the EC. One of the biggest things the Gov't has going for it is that it has led us all to believe that we can make a difference at the polls. But it's not the President who makes policy anyway...it's the lobbyists you have to look out for. ;)
 
Beezil said:
I am fully aware of how the electoral college works.

I am merely pointing out the fact that the attitude of "my vote doesn't count" become contageous, it WILL affect the outcome of the election.

I am astonished how many people out in the factory do not intend to vote, nor do they intend to register. Yet, they'll sit around in small groups around the shop during breaktime, and bitch about the state of the world and the country.

UNREAL.

does the existance of the electoral college inspire this poor attitude?

Maybe.

The conversations were lively today, and I hope that those that watched the debates last night have been encouraged to register and cast thier votes.
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I whole-heartedly AGREE.
 
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I'm sorry, but I just can't stand the fact that the leader of our country failed out of college and lied to us about the situation in Iraq. I fully agreed with the action in Afganistan, that was a given thing that we had to do. But then going into Iraq to look for "weapons of mass destruction"? I don't think so... Let's take a look at the Bush family's wealth and where it comes from. OIL. And what happened before we went into Iraq? Halliburton was promised a major stake of oil in Iraq (a country that isn't even ours to give away). Basically, whether or not you have enough sense to realize it, the whole war in Iraq was so that the Bush's and company could make more $$$$. We didn't find any weapons of mass destruction over there, and on top of that we brought crime into a country that before had a 0% crime rate. Yes Sadam is a tyrant, yes he did awful things, but think about history for a second. If any group of people within the country of Iraq honostly didn't like the way things were being run then they would have risen up and had a revolution. And don't give me this "Well they were supressed and couldn't fight off Sadam's army." Our thirteen colonies, with nothing more than a militia, rose up and defeated what was the most powerful army in the world. It has happened many many times. American Revolution, French Revolution, etc. etc.

I love the United States. Don't accuse me of not loving the US. I wouldn't give this place up for anything. But the American people need to realize that we are doing exactly what the British were doing to us when we revolted. The United States is a bully, and we push around everyone we can. Why is there terrorism? Because the United States has tried to push around a culture of people who are willing to die for their country and beliefs. For another history lesson, look at what happened when Russia attempted to take over Afganistan. Russia got their a$$es handed to them. The same holds true to us. The Arabs know that they cannot fight our military might, so their only other option is to attack us internally. We call this terrorism, they call it war. And it is a war, because they are trying to defend themselves from those who are trying to control them.
We are on the brink of another world war, except this time the US is the country commiting mass genocide.

Let the flames begin.
 
I read Bush is Anti-XJ...that could explain its disappearance.

Vote Kerry! He's pro-MJ...I heard he is devoting 50% of tax revenue to bring back the MJ! (Which also disappeared when a Bush was in office (circa 1992)!!!)

Think about it! hasta
 
many arabs will fight to the tooth and bone to the last person. my dads always told me a story about a druz(a lebanese person of a certain religion) who was in his 80's. syria was invading lebanon and coming down through the mountains. this 80 year old man went up to the tank and climbed onto it and threw a grenade into it. america does not know what we are getting into. this being said, i still support bush, but we cannot bitch to much about what is going on,other than if you say we shouldnt have gone. what do you expect when you invade someone, they will fight to the last person, still its better to fight over there than over here.
 
Quite frankly, Arabs are a warring people. They live to fight. America has sturred up the hornet's nest with this one and we will be fighting it for many years to come, no matter who the president is. What we must ask each other is do we want a president who will provoke more violence or do we want to president who will try and get us out of this mess. I know that Bush will continue his "war" on Iraq and will probably go on to Iran, N. Korea (which if we learned anything from Vietnam, we should stay as far away from Korea as possible), and maybe even France. On the other hand, I don't have alot of confidence in Kerry's ability to attempt to calm the Arabs. What we need to do, and what we should have done is remove Sadam from power with as little violence as possible. Obviously Bush doesn't agree.
 
Osprey413 said:
What we need to do, and what we should have done is remove Sadam from power with as little violence as possible.
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I'm curious how you imagine that being done?

Osprey413 said:
I know that Bush will continue his "war" on Iraq and will probably go on to Iran, N. Korea (which if we learned anything from Vietnam, we should stay as far away from Korea as possible), and maybe even France.
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France? I'm not going to touch Iran or N Korea as those are topics that have a basis for discussion, but how did you arrive at France as being even remotedly potential target?
 
since we are in there, we dont need to waste the opportunity to try and get some things accomplished instead of just sweeping in and sweeping out like it has been done so many times before. granted this would be a long sweep, but if you pull out now the lives lost will have been lost in vain.
 
France was a joke. Remember when we started this thing in Iraq how much France bashing was going on. I didn't mean that we would literally go after France.

As for removing Sadam from power... Let me restate what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that there were other ways of disarming Sadam (even though he didn't have anything to begin with). We didn't have to go in there and destroy the entire country and kill hundreds of people. We could have gone to the UN, we could have stopped supplying Sadam with weapons, we could have stopped all trade with Iraq, etc. But as I said before, the conflict in Iraq was nothing more than a way for Bush to make money. With Halliburton in place, he can get oil right from the well, instead of having to buy it from Sadam. The whole weapons of mass destruction thing was a hoax, a coverup for Bush's plan to make more money.
 
osprey, even if all that is true, is it or is it not a good thing that saddam is no longer in power
 
Osprey413 said:
France was a joke. Remember when we started this thing in Iraq how much France bashing was going on. I didn't mean that we would literally go after France.

As for removing Sadam from power... Let me restate what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that there were other ways of disarming Sadam (even though he didn't have anything to begin with). We didn't have to go in there and destroy the entire country and kill hundreds of people. We could have gone to the UN, we could have stopped supplying Sadam with weapons, we could have stopped all trade with Iraq, etc. But as I said before, the conflict in Iraq was nothing more than a way for Bush to make money. With Halliburton in place, he can get oil right from the well, instead of having to buy it from Sadam. The whole weapons of mass destruction thing was a hoax, a coverup for Bush's plan to make more money.
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Wake up and smell the cofee. You know why France was so opposed to the war? cause they were making money before it started. Even thou the Iraqi airforce was a joke, isn't it odd that the planes (Mirage) were in operating condition with new spare parts? Also I remember reading something about some shady oil transactions that involved France...
And in regards to removing him from power... welll the removal was rather painless but there were (are) few that after wanted to stir up trouble nad their did. I think that if the "few" who stir up trouble and recruit the foot soldiers weren't there... the local government would be happily operating with next to no US help. Anyways, hindsight is 20/20 foresight (or something like that). Oh btw, wasn't Kerry one of the supporters of military action in Iraq? and then suddendly he's against it? Kind of like he was for the war in Vietnam and then later when political winds changed he was against it? Is that who you'd want of a president? Someone whose opinion changes with the change in the direction the wind blows?
 
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