wheeling tools

[Slonopotam]

Hi,

Does anybody use perforated plates, sand ladders, ground anchors ( like "pull pal" ) or "waffles" around ?
If not, why ? Too much of a hassle, or is it just not practical ?

Anybody knows where to buy these or may be somebody built them himself ?

Thank you,
Andrey

 

[Boatwrench]

Andrey,

We used perforated plates to launch boats over the sand from the beach worked really well but they seem impractical for a jeep application due to the weight. They are really heavy.

Carry Chains :wave:

Tom

 

[CRASH]

Since most of us are in the rocks most of the time, there is usually plenty of stuff to strap a winch cable to.

Do you have a winch? Tow strap? Tree saver? Pulley? These are all good items to have around, much more effective than any of the stuff you have mentioned, other than in very specific 'wheeling circumstances.

 

[Jes]

Ya, what CRASH said.
You really don't need anything more than that. Add a couple of shackles to that list of recovery equipment and you're pretty much set.

 

[XJedi23]

A hi-lift jack, and shovel are kind of a no brainer. But I just thought Id mention them.

 

[Matt S.]

To be completly honest with you... your best and most economical way is to convince one of us to build a bumper with you and put a cheap winch on it.

I cant belive I NEVER had a winch before. This weekend showed me that its versalility is more valuable than lockers.

I bet if you hit up the right people, you can find a nice used winch bumper for pretty cheap. Or even build a winch plate that can connect to your front hitch!

You will still need the supplies that go with it, as jes said.

 

[Jes]

A hi-lift jack, and shovel are kind of a no brainer. But I just thought Id mention them.

Hi-lift jack, thanks for reminding me.
It's been sitting in my closet for the last four years, I gotta sell that thing.

 

[XJedi23]

Hi-lift jack, thanks for reminding me.
It's been sitting in my closet for the last four years, I gotta sell that thing.

Maybe you could dig it out with a shovel!!!assgas:

:kissyou:

 

[Maximus]

Jes, I bet the last time you used that Hi lift was on the winter fun fest many years ago when you had to pull yourself out. party1:


Andrey, I haveheard of guys using sections of chain link fence to act as sand ladders, you can just roll it up when you dont need it and throw it in the Jeep. Some guys have also tried to make a Pull Pal replica but the angles have never been right and that is what makes the Pull Pal so sucessful.

A good bet for you other than what Crash and Jes has said is to do the receiver mount winch so you can put it in the back also, the draw back is that you dont want that thing fling around the inside if the Jeep in case of a roll over, that coud really hurt.

 

[Slonopotam]

Carry Chains

Every time I try to put them on everybody laughs.
I do put them anyway, I am stubborn and ignorant.

Trips last Autumn showed that my Jeep is pretty much up to my expectations.
3 snow runs have showed that on-snow performance is way lower than I want it to be.
I want something to increase my self-reliance on snow dramatically.
Basically, something like bridges or waffles could help me if I dug a hole.
Other ideas are not so cheap. Now you all gonna laugh.
1. Skis - to reduce drag by front axle and both differentials.
2. Tracks - to increase both floatation and traction.

there is usually plenty of stuff to strap a winch cable to.

Like another Jeep, most likely with a winch.

Do you have a winch? Tow strap? Tree saver? Pulley?

I've got only a tow strap and a pry bar. Really cheap way to break both hands.

A hi-lift jack, and shovel

I've got a shovel. Hi-lift would require custom bumpers.
It's on my list, but way down.

is to convince one of us to build a bumper with you

The plan was to convince Matt to build a snow skid, but please do not tell him yet.

Actually, in the long term I am thinking about bumpers strong enough for hi-lift
and with integrated receivers. After that I plan to buy detachable winch,
so that I could use it both front and rear.

you can find a nice used winch bumper for pretty cheap

It's not going to jump into this month budget anyway,
but how much are we talking about ?

 

[Boatwrench]

Every time I try to put them on everybody laughs.
I do put them anyway, I am stubborn and ignorant.

Andrey,
Thanks for the last video link and I noticed on last weeks snow run you had your chains on.
Tom

 

[MISFIT]

I want something to increase my self-reliance on snow dramatically. Basically, something like bridges or waffles could help me if I dug a hole.

that's cheating

just carry chains. IMO, you shouldn't have to rely on a trail tool to increase your "self-reliance". maybe a better equipped Jeep would be better??? lockers, tires, etc.???



hehe, my 3 favorite trail tools:

1. My eyes
2. My balls
3. and T.P.

 

[Slonopotam]

Jes, I bet the last time you used that Hi lift was on the winter fun fest many years ago when you had to pull yourself out. party1:

This is why bumpers and hi-lift are so low priority for me.

Andrey, I haveheard of guys using sections of chain link fence to act as sand ladders

I thought about it. It should just fly from under the wheel.

Some guys have also tried to make a Pull Pal replica but the angles have never been right and that is what makes the Pull Pal so sucessful.

I can hardly imagine, where Pull Pal could help. The dragging area should be greater than that of the jeep, or soil type around anchor must be completely different from that around jeep. I think it's a joke. That is unless somebody can say it's been used sucessfully.

Thanks.

 

[XJedi23]

Just had an Idea..If the hi-lift cant pull you out jamb it under the tires for traction...

 

[Jes]

Jes, I bet the last time you used that Hi lift was on the winter fun fest many years ago when you had to pull yourself out. party1:

You know, I think you're right. That was the pre-winch and pre-lockers era.


Andrey, if you want to increase on snow capabilities you really can't beat having lockers and airing your tires down really low.
Before I had beadlocks I ran my tires at about 8PSI and with the beadlocks I run about 4PSI.

 

[Maximus]

Andrey, I dont mean to be defiant but the Pull Pal is used by our military and can and does work. It is mainly for areas that do not have any trees around for something to attach to so it does work.

The chain link fence can work!! You may need to carry some long stakes to help keep it where you want but the theory is sound.

If you really want to be equipped look at some of the old Land Rover Camel Trophy vehicles and just start buying whatever they have. I will guarantee you though that they have a hi lift.

 

[Ben H]

I like the idea of the diff skids for snow use but...I think that to a point they will give you more drag and collect more than deflect. It all depends on what kind of snow you are in. A winch in the front and rear is optimal. You could always bury your spare tire for a winch point.

Last weekend I noticed not having my front skid in the snow. I think it makes a diffenence when you are hitting a snow bank and keeping you front axle from getting stuck and getting caked with snow. But other than the snow I dont see much use for it other than that extra piece of mind.

 

[Zebaru]

Well, when I used to go out alone alot, I had a couple of cheap HF loading ramps bolted to my roof rack. I used them in the snow once, and I am unsure whether another recovery tool would have worked as well.

The snow was basically just on a slighly recessed road, and heading downhill. I underestimated the depth of snow, and was high centered front and back quickly. With the ramps, I simply jacked up my rig, placed the ramps under my front tires, and drove to the edge where there was very little snow.

Now, maybe a winch and a pullpal would have worked, and a shovel definitley would have worked (eventually), but as it was, unbolting the jack and ramps and putting them back away took longer than the rest of the recovery.

Overall, they were cheap and fairly lightweight, but only marginally useful. I dont carry them with my Jeep anymore - but I do still use them as loading ramps...

Travis

 

[SeanP]

I carry no tools and rely upon the kindness of strangers.

 

[Slonopotam]

Overall, they were cheap and fairly lightweight, but only marginally useful. I dont carry them with my Jeep anymore

Thanks.