welding on axle tube

go ahead and use the 220.

i think these guys scared you too much about the heat thing....

you have nothing to worry about trust me.

I torch the hell out of old brackets, weld the hell out of new ones.

no wierd prep, no screwing around.

grab the 220, and weld the thing.
 
so use the 220 and still make short passes, or one side at a time?
honestly, the main reasons for this is the clearance issue, and using shims rotates mount as well. so my shock bushing is all "cattywompus" (bent out shape).
thx
 
I'm not sure what you guys do in the cold weather you have back there and welding but in Ca just weld the things to the tube like any other weld you would do to that thick of material. I really don't think the cold should affect it but some of you other guys might know different.

350 amp guy is messing with stuff or building earthmovers.

mark
orgs mfg
 
honestly, just grab the 220 welder, and start welding.

you do NOT have to make short passes.

what I usually do, and I've set up axles at least a dozen times, is take a link mount for example, which might have 5 beads of weld for example.....

"left-outter,left-inner,right-inner,right-outter, and across the front"

(only an example)

weld your outter beads with a nice hot, penetrating bead, across the whole bracket where it touches the axle tube.

you can do your outter beads on the drivers side, go over to the passenger side do those, come back, and lay your inner beads, throw on your shock mounts, whatever....

axle tubes are THICK and beefy, and there is simply no reason to baby them.

these guys have you unecessarily wound up....
 
I usually pre-heat, weld, post-heat and then cryo treat for maximum tensile strength. :rolleyes:

CRASH
 
ha-ha....

don't beat the big welder guy up too hard.....

you think that's crazy?

guess what we use down here???

300 amp miller cp's......

those things are usually CRANKED, and our average thicknesses are around 16 to 18 gauge!!!!

most new welders or greenhorns can't pass our test. you don't know "production welding" until you've seen 18gauge tubes being welded together with a 300 amp machine thats cranked up.....

how is it possible not to blast the materials into sparks and fumes?

S----P-----E------E-------D.......

our best guys lay beads down so fast, you'd think they were all on PCP.......they kill all the rates, and go home with some fat paychecks...........
 
come on Beez . . .
they can't be That fast, or you'd have used italics!

----S----P----E----E----D----

;)
 
Beezil,
Thanks for the support. Sounds like you know production welding!:D

I really wasn't trying to start anything, or get the guy confused. That's why I put the P.S. at the bottom of my post.



I set up axle lines at a Teir 1 that welds thousands of axle tubes a day for DCX and AAM. All robotic, and all about weld travel speed. Those are where my "settings" came from. :thumbup:

Thanks,
Jay
 
what robots are you using?

I'm digging on the panasonic welding cells.....

almost bought one to weld a HUGE walmart order.....

too bad walmart farmed 80-percent of the job to CHINA.....we did the development and got a shitty order...(don't get me started)

however, next large quantity I see come in, and that's the route we're going....

are you allowed to post pics? if you have any that is?
 
I hear a lot of good things about the Panasonic's, but we stay with Motoman religiously.

I would actually love to get into Fanucs, as I think they have a better interface with the Lincoln ArcMate series, but it becomes a training / spare parts issue....

Can't post any pics. 90% of our processes are for parts not in production, and our company has a very strict policy on sharing info. I guess you can't be too careful nowadays.....

What industry are you in?
 
Point of Purchase Advertising International

we design and manufacture displays....you know, the junk that has a limited lifespan that no one really notices. We're a jobshop that has ZERO proprietary items.

http://www.popai.com/index.html

the link won't tell you much, they've gotten a bit carried away like its a secret society or something....
 
That's cool. Site did seem to want me to join something though??:dunno:


We pretty much have a few parts on all the jeeps. We do the entire rear underbody for the Liberty, we make axle housing for the new (WK) Grand, and we stamp some pillars and misc stuff for the TJ.

These axles are new to us. Got my first one last august, and before that launched, I had 3 more.....you would think they would want us to launch one sucessfully first, but oh well.

Speaking of sucessful, it looks like we have sucessfully hijacked this thread!!
 
I just saw motoman's schtuff at the Fabtech show a couple weeks ago. They definitly look like they're designed to be an assembly line arm.....in fact, it didn't look like they support ANY kind of welding CELL products....

two different worlds I suppose.
 
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