Unions Wtf

TRNDRVR said:
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I wonder what union I belong to.

My continuing education, my once a year testing, my twice a year qualifying. Makes me wonder how stupid I really am. :dunno:
Well you obviously are one of the ones that can make it without a union if you needed to.
 
mylt1 said:
i work for the same county as a fire fighter/emt
Dude, if you're ever called to rescue me for some reason, please just leave me for dead. I'd have better luck that way as opposed to you writing something on my chart while you're pretending to be a fire fighter/emt. :scared:
 
TRNDRVR said:
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I wonder what union I belong to.

My continuing education, my once a year testing, my twice a year qualifying. Makes me wonder how stupid I really am. :dunno:
There are no doubt lots of high skill jobs that are Union....There are also a lot of losers out there with no education and no skills making a huge amount of money that they don't deserve.
 
BRIANHO13 said:
Well you obviously are one of the ones that can make it without a union if you needed to.
I can guarantee you this, if you're uneducated and stupid, and didn't graduate high school, you'll never work under the protection of the union I belong to. I also wouldn't do what I do without the union.
 
Im in the business of building, and selling Widgets. If I cant produce, market and sell my Widget at a profit Im out of business. Moral of the story...Free market or in the Teachers example. School Vouchers.
 
Dirk Pitt said:
I was a teamster for a while (part time at UPS) in college. Can't complain about them. I later moved up to supervisor and saw a different view. While most people showed up to work, others took advantage of every opportunity to fall back on the union card.

I now work in the automotive industry. Our country is controlled by the American automotive industry. If automotive business is good, the American economy is good and vise versa.

The American automotive industry is dying. There are a lot of reasons for this, but a very big one is the UAW. I've been to major automotive manufacturer plants and my experience is the same as BRIANHO's; the UAW is a crutch and a thorn in the side of automotive manufacturers.

Some recent facts I read in a major industry periodical...

The average portion of the cost of a new car produced by GM that goes to health care - $1000 per car.

The average portion of the cost of a new car produced by Toyota that goes to health care - $400 per car.

On average the Toyota worker (all non-union BTW) makes more money and has better benefits, while contributing less than the UAW employed GM worker.

Also, Toyota (and other foreign manufacturers) are bringing more jobs to the US, while GM and the other 2 are sending more jobs to Mexico and elsewhere. Toyota recently raised vehicle prices to allow GM to compete, because GM going under is also very bad for all the others.

I call them like I see them and I see this every day.

Unions have their place, but some of them need to be taken down a peg or two.

JMHO.

I haven't read this entire thread yet but I just wanted to make a comment here. I worked for a joint venture company owned by JCI (4th largest automobile supplier) and Toyota as a senior engineer for 5+ years. We supplied NUMMI in NorCal which technically is a GM/Toyota joint venture but if you walk in the door it is all Toyota with a few GM employees taking notes on how to do it right. That plant was a union plant (part of the GM agreement) but all the other Toyota plants in America are non union. I am not too sure about the plant in Canada. All of the Toyota plants in Japan are union but in Japan Unions actually work in harmony with the companies. With that said, Toyota opened up a plant in Baja Mexico about 18 months ago to supplement the demand for the Tacomas produced at NUMMI. It doesn't take a genius to see what is going on here. I heard it from some top people at NUMMI about how expensive it was to have a plant in California especially with the UAW involved. Do the math, NUMMI makes Corollas, Tacomas, and Ponitac Vibes. The Vibe is a fad and currently is only planned for production for two more years with no announcment of it's replacement. A second plant has been started to make/ "supplement" Tacoma production and it is close to a port, cheaper wages, and close to the border, and approximately 40% of the North American supply of Corollas are made at NUMMI. The remainder are made in Canada and Japan. The days are numbers for that plant and the UAW is one of the reasons.
 
I guess thats why my next car will be another Toyota...One other part of that is that Toyota has some of the highest quality standards out there....I wonder why?
 
TRNDRVR said:
Dude, if you're ever called to rescue me for some reason, please just leave me for dead. I'd have better luck that way as opposed to you writing something on my chart while you're pretending to be a fire fighter/emt. :scared:
why? you have no idea what my quilifications are or what experance i have. i dont judge you dont judge me.
 
DrMoab said:
I guess thats why my next car will be another Toyota...One other part of that is that Toyota has some of the highest quality standards out there....I wonder why?

Capitalism! We drive two Honda's as our daily drivers. Although I think Toyota's and Honda's are put together here by Union Members, not sure though. However that's only because to import the full car you gotta pay more taxes. The Unions really have the US car makers by the balls. Ford and GM really made deals with the devil in the 80s. They are really hurting because of it.
 
Hmm - no-one makes a "new" car that I'd be willing to drive.

Airbags? Don't need 'em - they can hurt me worse than an accident (outside size/weight range.) They can also clobber my wife (outside size range.)

Fancy electronics and navigation? If I want them, I'll install them. Navigation I just don't need - doesn't anyone know how to read a map anymore?

New design? What's wrong with the old one? I'm not sure I'm wild about the look of new trucks, and I'm sure I'm not big on their capacities (and damn few people are using the straight six - a very nearly ideal small truck engine. There's a reason that most Cummins engines are inline sixes...)

Most small trucks coming out just aren't worth a damn to me, and most cars aren't much better. Frankly, I'm not planning on buying a new car until they come out with something useful - and don't get me started on OBD-II or the proposed OBD-III...

I don't care about the company - I just don't see anything I like anymore. I haven't since the early 1990's...

5-90
 
gm is the only co. still useing the strait 6(i believe). of corse gm has the strait 5 cyl as well. i have to agree with you on the styling, im not impressed. as far as obdII its a pita, i have a gmc that has a code but there is a list of 10 things that can trip that code. i would be happy if they could figure out a system that tells you exactualy what is wrong and what sensor needs to be replaced. what has happened to trucks being trucks? the new 4wd's have the same groung clearence as the 2wd versions. i need a family car but i think im gonna find a 97+ xj just because they are easy to work on and i like the way they look. i do wish it was still avaliable in the us. the one china has is good looking.
 
Dodge uses the Cummins Diesel I6.

GM has revived the I6 in Vortec trim, as well as a new version of the I5 (kinda like Audi did.)

If memory serves, DC is supposed to be cutting out the 4.0 from its lineup for the 2007 MY - apparently, the tooling is worn, and it's already been replaced with either the 4.7L V8 or the 3.7L V6 - either way, they decided it was easier to come out with a new engine than to revitalise one with a proven history.

Go figure - even the Small Block Chevvy has been around since the early 1950's - and there's nothing wrong with it (although I prefer the inline six...)

5-90
 
the i6 is gas. the i5 is a isuzu design and is avaliable in there pickup as well. i heard the end of the 4.0 as well. the i6 is in the trailblazers and h2 and the i5 is in the colorado and the h3 i believe. im not totaly sure about the h3. its the same for the gmc versions of the trucks/suv's as well.
 
Yep - the GM I6 is gasoline-fuelled, but Dodge is using the Cummins Diesel. I think the GM is a resurrection of the old 250 that used to be found in the Camaros and lighter pickups - but I can't swear to it.

Like I said, the GM I6 has been resurrected (redesigned?) as a Vortec, similar to the SBC and 4.3L V6 - but I don't have specs handy.

The death knell of the 4.0 is something I heard some months ago when I went to get parts at the dealer - the sales guy wanted me to trade in my 88 2-door, because it's the five-speed with four functional wing windows (which, I was given to understand, was a bit rare.) However, I still drive the 88 - they didn't have anything I'd like to replace it with.

5-90
 
scott w said:
weren't the unions started by organized crime?
That's as far as I got and then the rest is just blahblahblahblah....

Try some structure in your writing before attempting a rational contribution to the discussion, will ya?

You might be taken seriously!
 
ZPD said:
... I worked for a joint venture company owned by JCI (4th largest automobile supplier) and Toyota as a senior engineer for 5+ years. We supplied NUMMI in NorCal which technically is a GM/Toyota joint venture but if you walk in the door it is all Toyota with a few GM employees taking notes on how to do it right. ...

Do I know you? I worked the transition of JCI's NUMMI Tacoma headliner and seat frame production to Cowden/Trend Hayward some years ago, before bust...

DrMoab said:
I guess thats why my next car will be another Toyota...One other part of that is that Toyota has some of the highest quality standards out there....I wonder why?.

TPS.

All you need to know.

--ron
 
PS: Just finished "Big Trouble", J. Anthony Lukas's historical drama of the events leading up to, during, and after former Idaho governor Frank Steunenberg's murder.

Want an education on Labor Unions in the US? This will do it.

--ron

PSS: I'm no socialist. :D
 
JohnJohn said:
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Unions are also killing the car business too. The biggest joke in Colorado is the teachers union, a union for people who only have to be to work 75% of the time all of us have to work? WTF?

Obviously I can offer no good factual data in my drunken state of mind. Please ignore.

I haven't read this whole thread, and probably won't have time this morning, but I hear this complaint about teachers and their salaries all the time. So my question is a simple one:

Do you think that it should NOT be possible for a teacher to make a living as a teacher?
 
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