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Yep. I'm still a bit skeptical that they can pull it off, but someone is gonna need to cash in on Ford's retarded decision to kill the Crown Vic. The Charger doesn't cut it and the front wheel drive Impala and Ford 500 just aren't sturdy, powerful or durable enough.

It's a bit too "Robo Cop" looking for my taste, but there is tons of thought that's gone into it that will make it fit the bill nicely - particularly the integrated emergency lighting, rear impact capability, and the seats that are designed for our gun belts - will save tons of back pain. :thumbup:

Here's a vid of an actual working prototype - I had been getting concerned the E7 was gonna "Tucker" out with nothing but CAD design images on their website.....

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/M....jsp?contentId=7643420&version=1&locale=EN-US
 
That thing is freakin sweet lookin
 
.............."YOU HAVE TWENTY SECONDS TO COMPLY." ED-209

Great movie, sub standard to today's special effects.............oh wait the car!

It has its features that really stand out, my concern is the maintenance costs down the road. Considering it is a specialty car purposely made/built, I bet maintenance won't be going to NAPA to get a part to replace......:cool:


Maybe that is what they are planning all along................sell them a plenty and make all the money in the higher priced replacement parts?
 
DutchVDub said:
that thing is ugly

how do the chargers not cut it?
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Believe it or not....... too small inside. The trunk is totally useless when crammed with a full size spare, the slope of the roof at the rear doors makes it really difficult for a 6' person wearing cuffs to get in and the barrier between the front and rear when installed to allow the driver's seat to move back enough for a 6' tall cop..... makes for very little leg room in the back seat. The trans tunnel comes up way high so the center console for the radio/lights ends up being too high - the driver constantly smacks their right elbow on it under normal driving - and can actually be dangerous during pursuit driving to the driver. There's no rear passenger area dome light - suspects sit in the dark (and can kick a cop when they open the door unable to see inside before doing so...... yeah, I learned that the hard way). There's TONS of blind spots with the small windows, thick pilars and added barrier.

........ but they are tons of fun to drive fast. :thumbup:



Skully said:
It has its features that really stand out, my concern is the maintenance costs down the road. Considering it is a specialty car purposely made/built, I bet maintenance won't be going to NAPA to get a part to replace......:cool:


Maybe that is what they are planning all along................sell them a plenty and make all the money in the higher priced replacement parts?
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From what I understand, it "borrows" many of it's parts from existing manufacturers. I'm sure the engine is a common manufacturer (Mercedes possibly?) and I read somewhere that the suspension, brakes, and other related parts are Mopar. :dunno: But I'm betting that's how they'll make it serviceable. If you squint and look at it just right....... the majority of that interior and the body dimensions really kind of remind me of a Chrysler 300C.....

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Remember these 300C's from the movie "The Island"?

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Wait, if it's pretty similar to the 300C, and the Charger is too small inside... see where I'm going with this? I'm assuming that they made pretty radical changes to the interior size?
 
yea giving the criminals absolutely no room inside so they are even more Pissed Off!!!
 
Glacialbass said:
Wait, if it's pretty similar to the 300C, and the Charger is too small inside... see where I'm going with this? I'm assuming that they made pretty radical changes to the interior size?
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I never said the dimensions were similar....... just appearance. Almost like they used it as a base idea vehicle when designing the E7..... if ya squint....:D

In reading the details about the E7, they build their own aluminum unibody and the exterior is composite panels. I could see it being entirely possible that they could use many of the 300C components (front suspension/engine/trans "K" frame setup and rear suspension/axle) bolting all that under their unibody........ I have no facts to back this up, but would certainly be a reasonable way to build and maintain such a vehicle. :dunno:

It really wouldn't surprise me if they had some support from a major auto manufacturer to some degree - but if they're making EVERYTHING for the E7 on their own...... I gotta think that the vehicle's MSRP would end up being really high..... and they'd have to be really hanging themselves out there hoping that enough Cop shops can afford to buy fleets of these things to keep them in the black.

Looking at other current "specialty car" manufacturers like Shelby (backed by Ford), Bugatti (owned by VW), Bently/Rolls Royce (owned by BMW), Maserati (owned by Fiat), and up until recently, Ford owned most of Aston Martin.

....... makes ya wonder...... who's backing the Carbon E7? It's engine being a 300 hp diesel makes me strongly suspect Daimler/Chrysler/Mercedes........... :dunno:
 
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YELLAHEEP said:
Believe it or not....... too small inside. The trunk is totally useless when crammed with a full size spare, the slope of the roof at the rear doors makes it really difficult for a 6' person wearing cuffs to get in and the barrier between the front and rear when installed to allow the driver's seat to move back enough for a 6' tall cop..... makes for very little leg room in the back seat. The trans tunnel comes up way high so the center console for the radio/lights ends up being too high - the driver constantly smacks their right elbow on it under normal driving - and can actually be dangerous during pursuit driving to the driver. There's no rear passenger area dome light - suspects sit in the dark (and can kick a cop when they open the door unable to see inside before doing so...... yeah, I learned that the hard way). There's TONS of blind spots with the small windows, thick pilars and added barrier.

........ but they are tons of fun to drive fast. :thumbup:
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DCSO experimented with several configurations for the "passenger cage" and I think finally decided on a half-cage in the backseat, passenger side. That left room for the front driver's seat to move back for the taller deputies while still providing a restrained area for our "guests." However, bigger "guests" required a Crown Vic for transport, because of Yella's aforementioned problems with the rear roof and sheer tininess of the rear seat.

I think our last one is still in the Evidence yard with bullet holes from our local burglars. :twak:

Hey!! What about the Magnum? Does it use the same low roof/short rear door as the Charger? Still have the front seat problems to deal with though. Hmm.
 
Yucca-Man said:
Hey!! What about the Magnum? Does it use the same low roof/short rear door as the Charger? Still have the front seat problems to deal with though. Hmm.
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The Magnum is worse. The most useless "station wagon" cargo area I've ever seen. It's got 3 layers - bottom has the spare and battery. Then there's the floor and an optional shelf. If you have that area loaded with gear, you can't see out the back window....... and then you'd have to completely unload it if you had a flat or dead battery.

Not to mention, putting a barrier between the front seat, then another one between the cargo and back seat area..... major suckage.

John Elway Dodge (back then) put together a maroon Magnum with the 3 liter V6 when they first came out, dressed it up with LED lights all over, front and rear radar and sent it out on loan to several agencies to test out - in hopes of getting fleet sales. I drove that Magnum for 3 days and found it fun to drive, but useless for patrol. Yeah, that sloping roofline makes things just as difficult as the Charger's.
 
Another issue with the Charger - and looks to be the same issue with the E7 is there's no substantial surface area ahead of the front tires to be able to safely execute a P.I.T. maneuver.

I had to take a few members of Command Staff to the parking lot one day to show them that our Chargers shouldn't be used for PIT. The way the nose narrows and is mostly just soft composite cover, there's no solid surface to push with. And, because of the narrow nose, the front tire becomes the pushing surface..... I'm sure y'all can imagine what'd happen at speed when pressing a rotating tire into a vehicle's rear bumper/fender area...... yikes.

Maybe the E7 makers will address this problem before the car goes into production and give it some corner "bumpers".

EDIT: Just read the "specs" for the E7 on their website..... "PIT capability"..... Not in my opinion.
 
I haven't even stepped into a dealer lot except to pick up parts in the last several years, so had no idea about the Magnum. Good to know, I'll strike that from my shopping list. ;-)

Did Ford ever give a reason for getting out of the fleet Crown Vic market?
 
I know there was alot of rumor about them killing the Crown Vic simply because the Canadian plant where they're made shut down for a short time. From what I've read, they simply shut down production while they worked on a few design changes for '08 models, then scaled production back to where the plant only ran for one shift instead of 24 hrs.


According to the only press release I've ever found, Ford said: "On April 19, 2006, Ford Motor Company announced that the Crown Victoria Police Interceptor will remain in production "well into the future"



Here's the link to the press release (It's a Word document):

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/CVPI/FutureOfCVPI.doc

However, it might be just interpretation. From this article, it sounds like they will just not be available to the public at dealerships, just for fleet sales:

"Oct. 31--UPDATED AT 4:40 P.M.: Ford Motor Co. dealers will no longer sell the Ford Crown Victoria large car to customers at retail.

There are fewer than 80 2007 Crown Victoria cars on dealer lots nationwide today, and there are no plans to deliver 2008 versions of the vehicle to dealers, Ford's top sales analyst, George Pipas, told the Free Press."

Ford's fleet website would certainly support that claim:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/2009fleetshowroom/2009-crownvictoria.asp

Still available as a 2009 model.


But our fleet manager says there won't be any more Crown Vics from Ford after 2009...... :dunno:
 
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Just found another article that identifies the diesel engine as being a BMW engine........ didn't even know BMW made a diesel engine....... :dunno:

After further reading....... It's only available in Europe currently in BMW 5 Series sedans. It's a twin turbo - one small turbo ahead of a larger turbo, the smaller turbo closes the turbo lag gap and "jump starts" the larger turbo for fairly fluid boost and throttle response....... interesting.

Man, this E7 has culture...... it's part Bavarian, part British....... :laugh:
 
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YELLAHEEP said:
Just found another article that identifies the diesel engine as being a BMW engine........ didn't even know BMW made a diesel engine....... :dunno:

After further reading....... It's only available in Europe currently in BMW 5 Series sedans. It's a twin turbo - one small turbo ahead of a larger turbo, the smaller turbo closes the turbo lag gap and "jump starts" the larger turbo for fairly fluid boost and throttle response....... interesting.

Man, this E7 has culture...... it's part Bavarian, part British....... :laugh:
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Ya, those replacements parts won't be expensive...............(sarcasm-a-plenty)

I had a little BMW for a year forgot what it was, 318i or something. Had a bad fan clutch thingy, looked just like the one on my CJ except smaller. CJ stock fan clutch was $27 at NAPA. Autopart stores didn't have that item for BMW, went to the dealership $129, went to the junk yard $40. ......drove it like I stole it and dumped it on some kids for $200 after driving it for a year paying only$500 for it....................BMW (Bad-mojo-willis)
 
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Skully said:
Ya, those replacements parts won't be expensive...............(sarcasm-a-plenty)

I had a little BMW for a year forgot what it was, 318i or something. Had a bad fan clutch thingy, looked just like the one on my CJ except smaller. CJ stock fan clutch was $27 at NAPA. Autopart stores didn't have that item for BMW, went to the dealership $129, went to the junk yard $40. ......drove it like I stole it and dumped it on some kids for $200 after driving it for a year paying only$500 for it....................BMW (Bad-mojo-willis)
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That's a bit like saying "I drive a compass and it sucks ass offroad so all jeeps suck"
 
aw now, I got modded by the man -- power to the people! (whether black or red!!):looser::yelclap:
 
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