THe NAC Lots-O-BFG KO2 Thread

[themangeraaad]

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Uh ain't pilot and throw out bearings cheap? Replace em while there for peace of mind. With that beaing said I get a ticking noise some times when the clutch is fully depressed

yes they are and I should have replaced my pilot when I was in there last time doing a clutch (and I think my clutch kit even came with a pilot).

I think I decided to leave the old pilot in because A) it wasn't making noise and seemed fine and B) I was having trouble getting it out. Those two things combined with the fact that it was sunday morning and I needed the Jeep back on the road by sunday afternoon to drive back to college resulted in a decision to "XXXX it leave the old one in there and re-install the transmission".

Lesson learned.

 

[themangeraaad]

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And I'm getting a chattering sound while driving any time the engine isn't under load. If I'm accelerating I don't get any noise until like 3-4k RPM (then it starts) but if I'm just cruising around at 2-3k RPM it makes a weird chattering sound, which is worst around 2500-2700 IIRC, though it still makes noise at lower RPMs... just not as noticeable.

I can't remember if depressing the clutch makes it better or worse (or makes no difference at all).

 

[vetteboy]

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If the clutch pedal isn't depressed, the pilot bearing ain't doin shit. Everything's locked together. So if it's making noise while you're driving, I'd look elsewhere.

 

[MoparManiac]

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If the clutch pedal isn't depressed, the pilot bearing ain't doin shit. Everything's locked together. So if it's making noise while you're driving, I'd look elsewhere.

I think you mean throwout bearing.

 

[vetteboy]

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I think you mean throwout bearing.

No, I meant what I said.

If the clutch pedal isn't depressed, then the input shaft, flywheel, pilot bearing, clutch disc, etc are all locked and spinning as one unit. How's the pilot bearing going to make noise in that situation?

 

[MoparManiac]

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No, I meant what I said.

If the clutch pedal isn't depressed, then the input shaft, flywheel, pilot bearing, clutch disc, etc are all locked and spinning as one unit. How's the pilot bearing going to make noise in that situation?

Oh I gotcha. For some reason I thought the pilot bearing pressed into something stationary, not the back of the crank :laugh:

Yeah so if it's while the clutch pedal isn't depressed, the pilot and throwout bearing wouldn't be the issue.

 

[vetteboy]

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Oh I gotcha. For some reason I thought the pilot bearing pressed into something stationary, not the back of the crank :laugh:

Yeah so if it's while the clutch pedal isn't depressed, the pilot and throwout bearing wouldn't be the issue.

Might be the throwout bearing.

If the preload spring isn't doing its job, sometimes the throwout will rattle against the fingers on the pressure plate. If it's an external slave, check the throwout arm for free play with the clutch released, there shouldn't really be any. Internal there's not much of a way to check...might be able to bend back the sheetmetal piece between the engine and bellhousing, and get some kind of inspection tool in there.

 

[MoparManiac]

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Good point

 

[Begster]

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I think you mean throwout bearing.

No, I meant what I said.

[proving Colin wrong removed[

Bam, know-it-all shot down.

 

[themangeraaad]

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Oh I gotcha. For some reason I thought the pilot bearing pressed into something stationary, not the back of the crank :laugh:

Yeah so if it's while the clutch pedal isn't depressed, the pilot and throwout bearing wouldn't be the issue.

I do believe I was thinking the same thing for some reason :doh:

At the same time I'll admit that "pilot bearing" was a hopeful guess on my part since that is a lot cheaper than a transmission. Guess it's back to my original assumption that something in the front half of the transmission is FUBAR, transmission input bearing perhaps? Whatever, I'll call the guys at the JY and pick up a transmission as soon as I get those new seats installed. $200 for a trans isn't that painful.

 

[MoparManiac]

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I do believe I was thinking the same thing for some reason :doh:

At the same time I'll admit that "pilot bearing" was a hopeful guess on my part since that is a lot cheaper than a transmission. Guess it's back to my original assumption that something in the front half of the transmission is FUBAR, transmission input bearing perhaps? Whatever, I'll call the guys at the JY and pick up a transmission as soon as I get those new seats installed. $200 for a trans isn't that painful.

Yeah never really thought about it :laugh:

Can you pull the trans and take a look at anything or do you drive it everyday?

Just wondering if you can afford to pull it and diagnose it or if it's one of those I-need-to-have-it-driving-tomorrow scenarios.

 

[kastein]

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You're way overthinking this.

Get AAA if you don't have it already. Wheel the piss out of it. If it blows up, now you know what part was bad.

 

[themangeraaad]

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Might be the throwout bearing.

If the preload spring isn't doing its job, sometimes the throwout will rattle against the fingers on the pressure plate. If it's an external slave, check the throwout arm for free play with the clutch released, there shouldn't really be any. Internal there's not much of a way to check...might be able to bend back the sheetmetal piece between the engine and bellhousing, and get some kind of inspection tool in there.

Internal slave so I'm SOL there.

I think I'm just going to swing by my buddy's place tonight under the guise of "offering to help work on his Jeep" and use it as a perfect time to see if I can leave my Jeep in his garage for a week or two while pulling/testing the trans and shit. He has plenty of space in the garage (4+ car garage) but it's just a matter of whether or not he cares if I leave my shit there.

I'd like to get an external slave in there anyway so I either have to buy either a full transmission or just find a input bearing retainer (which could be tough). I might just buy the transmission even if mine is OK for the external slave parts.

 

[vetteboy]

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The internal & external slave bellhousings are different...external has a spot for the slave cylinder to bolt to, and a mounting boss for the ball stud.

My dumb ass is running an internal slave inside an external slave bellhousing. The hardline routing for the slave is custom to say the least...

 

[ktm racer 419]

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cherokeeforum gives me headaches

kids running 38's with stock axles with 3" block and spacer lifts for low cog

 

[themangeraaad]

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Can you pull the trans and take a look at anything or do you drive it everyday?

Just wondering if you can afford to pull it and diagnose it or if it's one of those I-need-to-have-it-driving-tomorrow scenarios.

Yes and no. I'd prefer to keep the Jeep available but it's not 100% necessary. I do still have the Mustang to DD however A) the Mustang is going back in the shop soon during which time I'll have to drive the Jeep and B) if we get hit with surprise snow I want to be able to drive the Jeep as I decided not to buy snow tires for the Mustang.

My end goal is to fix this problem ASAP and to get the 35s balanced and rolling smooth at highway speed. After that I think the mustang might be going up for sale and I will be DD'ing the Jeep until I buy something else (either a fox body mustang or a stock XJ/MJ).

I'd hate to sell the Mustang but I'm preparing for the worst case situation since it sounds like my job might not be too secure and I may be let loose sometime this quarter. If that happens I need as much money in the bank as possible so I can house hunt in NH and find a job up there. I'm actually starting my job hunt this weekend to [hopefully] avoid unemployment all-together but we'll see.

You're way overthinking this.

Get AAA if you don't have it already. Wheel the piss out of it. If it blows up, now you know what part was bad.

I have AAA but the cheap shitty version. I'll be upgrading to the 100-mile towing version soon I think. I'd like to take this approach but as noted above I need this thing to be ready to take over DD duty at short notice so I want to get it sorted out.

Edit: and let's not be silly... you know how much I wheel

 

[themangeraaad]

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The internal & external slave bellhousings are different...external has a spot for the slave cylinder to bolt to, and a mounting boss for the ball stud.

Yes, I know. I have the bellhousing for an external slave swap. The shift fork and shift-fork-clip are cheap. The only part I still need for the swap is the bearing retainer which sounds like it's the hard part to find.

 

[MoparManiac]

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cherokeeforum gives me headaches

kids running 38's with stock axles with 3" block and spacer lifts for low cog

Awesome.

 

[ktm racer 419]

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Awesome.

im really only upset just because im jealous

 

[billyjp2]

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Reminder:

Underground Jeeps Christmas Party

Where:
Century Sportsman's Club ... 531 Rochdale St Auburn, MA
They have a bar with a bar tender working, also have darts and a pool table.
We have the place to ourselves.

When:
Saturday 1/7/2012
6m-Midnight

Dinner:
Pot Luck style, please bring a dish to share.

Yankee Swap:
Guests are encouraged to bring a gift ($20 Value and does not have to be jeep related)

Members and Potential Members are welcome, feel free to bring guests. (as long as they don't suck)