THe NAC Lots-O-BFG KO2 Thread

[ROBZ95Xj]

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Im no machinist, but i think you'll be killing hole saws pretty quick at that speed. Id search CL maybe

no hole saw, just gonna use a 3/4 bit

 

[RCman]

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Thanks dudez

and bill, i was calling earlier wth a couple bender related questions but we got it figured out more or less. The grill hoop took forever but once we started understanding it more it went a lot better/faster...when i do my cage though, id like to maybe steal you for a saturday just to coach me through the a-pillars, if youre free at some point. I still havent ordered tube or done the rocker replacements, so it'll still be a while.

As I learned/was informed when I did Colin's ram mount, I over complicate it. Apparently the use of an angle finder and a tape measure is much to much work. :laugh:

I'm sure you got it figured out, the main thing is knowing where the bend starts on the die so you can repeat them.

I'm more than willing to lend a hand. Just let me know.

 

[5spd_xj]

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As I learned/was informed when I did Colin's ram mount, I over complicate it. Apparently the use of an angle finder and a tape measure is much to much work. :laugh:

I'm sure you got it figured out, the main thing is knowing where the bend starts on the die so you can repeat them.

I'm more than willing to lend a hand. Just let me know.

Heh yeah, we didnt really use the angle finder too much. just drilled a hole thru two pieces of 1" or so wide wood and bolted em together and numbers be damned, that was our "angle finder" for the most part. We did try using the tape measure and stuff, but in the end we ended up just winging it anyways heh. And, i must have gotten a "good"(meaning-efficient) die; it starts bending less than a quarter inch in, so thats nice.

Overcomplicated or not, your a pillar bars are exactly what i want, so ill be a lot more sure footed if i say "ummmm, yeah....right??" And you go "yep thats what i did"...otherwise ill second guess myself and XXXX it up big time :laugh:

 

[Begster]

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I used explorer 8.8 backing plates/calipers/pads, and zj rotors. I forget what the reason was for the zj rotors to be honest, something to to with the hat height

:thumbup:

Drilled out rotors look a lot sexier than the stock D44 drums.

 

[Jeepman401]

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ughhh scratch that lol. whats a decent gasser? f350? I looked at some chevy 1500 im kinda ehhhh on them. f250's are super cheap 8-10k

Fords are cheap for a reason...

If you really want a gaser there is nothing wrong with that, just get a GM (better) or Dodge (2nd best) product.
Again, Ford did/does make some good things, but gas trucks bigger than a 1/2ton isn't one of them.

97 and older had the 460, or your other option is to go diesel. I have seen quite a few nice 7.3 superdutys in the 8-10k range, that would be your best option.

 

[ctxjlimited]

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97 and older had the 460, or your other option is to go diesel. I have seen quite a few nice 7.3 superdutys in the 8-10k range, that would be your best option.

I agree completely.

I'd take a high milage 7.3 over a lower milage 5.4 triton motor any day. I've put a lot of miles in the drivers seat of them with trailers out back. At 67k on the ford my 180k suburban with a 5.7 pulled better than the gasser f350.

 

[vetteboy]

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the toob along the fender has 3 bends in 2 different planes, pretty snazzy if ya ask me. Not bad for our first go with the bender anywho :dunno:

Once you learn how to mark planes and where the bends start, you're good from there. As I said...all the bends on my XJ, I've never once used an angle finder for anything.

760 rpm is the lowest speed-

there no fin way im drilling all the holes in the stiffners with a hand drill, and its really all i can afford

no hole saw, just gonna use a 3/4 bit

760 RPM = hell with a 3/4" drill bit.

My drill press now goes ~125 RPM at the lowest speed, and that's prime for a 3/4" drill bit or a ~2" hole saw. Hole saws are much more forgiving, I've done 4" with it, but that's with a lot of patience and a lot of oil. You'll burn a 3/4" drill up right away if you try and muscle it through at 760 RPM.

If you're stuck with that speed, get a 3/4" hole saw and the smaller arbor for it, and it might work OK.

when i do my cage though, id like to maybe steal you for a saturday just to coach me through the a-pillars, if youre free at some point.

As I learned/was informed when I did Colin's ram mount, I over complicate it. Apparently the use of an angle finder and a tape measure is much to much work. :laugh:

I'm sure you got it figured out, the main thing is knowing where the bend starts on the die so you can repeat them.

Heh yeah, we didnt really use the angle finder too much. just drilled a hole thru two pieces of 1" or so wide wood and bolted em together and numbers be damned, that was our "angle finder" for the most part. We did try using the tape measure and stuff, but in the end we ended up just winging it anyways heh. And, i must have gotten a "good"(meaning-efficient) die; it starts bending less than a quarter inch in, so thats nice.

Overcomplicated or not, your a pillar bars are exactly what i want, so ill be a lot more sure footed if i say "ummmm, yeah....right??" And you go "yep thats what i did"...otherwise ill second guess myself and XXXX it up big time :laugh:

Hack.

I still don't know how I'm apparently the only person on the planet to do the A-pillars the way I did, without an auxiliary bend at the top.

Something to mock up the angle (wood bolted together, or I use 1/8" x 1" flat stock) is all you really need to get started. XXXX degrees. Mark where the bend starts, bend it til it matches the shape you're tryin to get to, and move on to the next one. Knowing where the bend starts on the die is critical. Figure out how to mark your planes and start points, and try and get it right, but sleeving a slug of 1.5 x .25 inside the tube and 'fixing' planes that way isn't the end of the world either...and is actually a pretty industry-standard way of doing things.

It's kinda sad when I don't even know how to explain my tube bending process. I just kinda wing each piece til it fits. :laugh:

Gonna be interesting when I start the next rig...

 

[cmelo]

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Spent a bunch of time figuring out how the hell a toob bender works today at scotts :gee:

Made a grille hoop and fender bars running along the bottom of the hood. Looks pretty awesome. Gonna take a shower then try to upload a couple pictures

And colin, im coming to your house tomorrow bc i have no plans all day vote for me, ill buy you pizza.

Go early, gay go out and eat breakfast meet up.

 

[5spd_xj]

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Chris, im not sure what ya mean by "finding" planes?

And carmelo, i think your post was telling me to go there early, buttt i dont really know if thats what you were saying or not lolzzz

 

[MoparManiac]

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I get to hang out with tpain today.

Everyone is jealous.

 

[RCman]

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Heh yeah, we didnt really use the angle finder too much. just drilled a hole thru two pieces of 1" or so wide wood and bolted em together and numbers be damned, that was our "angle finder" for the most part. We did try using the tape measure and stuff, but in the end we ended up just winging it anyways heh. And, i must have gotten a "good"(meaning-efficient) die; it starts bending less than a quarter inch in, so thats nice.

Overcomplicated or not, your a pillar bars are exactly what i want, so ill be a lot more sure footed if i say "ummmm, yeah....right??" And you go "yep thats what i did"...otherwise ill second guess myself and XXXX it up big time :laugh:

You obviously figured it all out. Really all it took was some careful layout and time to get those A-pillars "right".

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:thumbup:

Drilled out rotors look a lot sexier than the stock D44 drums.

They are, but I still giggle every time I see those ZJ rotors. So small!

Once you learn how to mark planes and where the bends start, you're good from there. As I said...all the bends on my XJ, I've never once used an angle finder for anything.

Hack.

I still don't know how I'm apparently the only person on the planet to do the A-pillars the way I did, without an auxiliary bend at the top.

Something to mock up the angle (wood bolted together, or I use 1/8" x 1" flat stock) is all you really need to get started. XXXX degrees. Mark where the bend starts, bend it til it matches the shape you're tryin to get to, and move on to the next one. Knowing where the bend starts on the die is critical. Figure out how to mark your planes and start points, and try and get it right, but sleeving a slug of 1.5 x .25 inside the tube and 'fixing' planes that way isn't the end of the world either...and is actually a pretty industry-standard way of doing things.

It's kinda sad when I don't even know how to explain my tube bending process. I just kinda wing each piece til it fits. :laugh:
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Gonna be interesting when I start the next rig...

I have one more 3-4 degree bend than you I think, and I am the opposite I'm not sure how you got there without it. Haha.

You knew you were the person I was refereing to. We've had these posts before, but without knowing I'm starting the next one 8" and 37 degrees from the other I'd screw the whole mess up. Not know the number or the distance is fine (like if you use 2 pieces of wood or flat stock), but I'd still have to have the mark on the tube.

I get to hang out with tpain today.

Everyone is jealous.

Super jealous. Y'all should come help me string rope afterwork today/tomorrow.

 

[vetteboy]

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I didn't say anything about 'finding' planes...but as far as marking them, that's as unscientific as everything else I do. It usually involves placing the tube on the truck and staring down the plane of the next bend, putting a mark directly where I'm looking, and then lining that mark up with the center of the die. :laugh:

 

[Dundy]

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Japan got rocked by an earthquake and a tsumani. Hawaii is next...

 

[MoparManiac]

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I plan on building my cage the hack way.

 

[XJLI]

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I didn't say anything about 'finding' planes...but as far as marking them, that's as unscientific as everything else I do. It usually involves placing the tube on the truck and staring down the plane of the next bend, putting a mark directly where I'm looking, and then lining that mark up with the center of the die. :laugh:

we should be starting to bend up ronnie's cage this weekend, i'll use this method.

 

[asp]

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Back on the subject of hole saws - I've punched a 5" hole through 3/8" plate @ 250 rpm. Chatters like a sumbitch, but lots of lube and a bit of patience and I haven't lost any teeth after 3 or 4 holes.

 

[5spd_xj]

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I plan on building my cage the hack way.

Miter cuts ftw :woohoo:

Leaving now!

 

[XJLI]

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today is slow.

off to pirate.

 

[rweaver138]

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I used explorer 8.8 backing plates/calipers/pads, and zj rotors. I forget what the reason was for the zj rotors to be honest, something to to with the hat height

sweet, seems easy enough...


ken, at the JY near you do they allow you to pull all the brake parts off, or do you have to take the whole axle? i know you said there's always 8.8's there

 

[kastein]

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They let you take whatever, that's where I got my zj disk parts. I'm planning a run tomorrow morning actually.