THe NAC Lots-O-BFG KO2 Thread

[dukie564]

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Since no one's talking about anything and we haven't done one of these lately, how about another moral dilemma.

Some guy recently got busted for running a kidney transplant operation. He was paying $25,000 to anyone who wanted to sell a healthy kidney, and was charging a shit-ton more than that to anyone who wanted to have a damaged kidney replaced. The facility where he was doing this was clean, modern, and well equipped; the guy himself had surgical training and all of his patients - donors and recipients - had no medical issues at all from the procedures.

What they actually nailed him for was profiteering - making a profit by unethical means.

One argument is that a private-practice organ transplant setup takes viable donors away from the organ-donor waiting list and restricts access only to those who can afford to bypass insurance/hospitals/etc.

The other argument is whether human organs are something you should be able to buy/sell like any other goods, as there's not really a legitimate market history for that.

Honestly I think if you wanted to sell your kidney for $25k, more power to you. And if you're willing/able to pay $150k out of pocket to get a new one put in, good for you too. As long as I never end up footing your future medical bills if something goes wrong.

And if you're the guy that has the training and facility to make that happen, even better.

Thoughts?

The way I see it

a) they're not impacting the donor pool negatively at all - in fact they're helping it. The donors are typically people who are dead/dying (or family) - this guy is grabbing kidneys from living, breathing people, so it's not going to affect supply. In addition it's removing people from the waiting list, making the situation for the other people on the list BETTER, not worse.

b) If i needed a transplant, and had the opportunity to pay this guy to put in a new one without having to wait months on a list, would I do it? HELL YES. I'd do whatever i had to if it meant living on.

c) If i really needed money would I sell one of mine for $25k? Probably not, but if I REAAAAAALLY needed money - yea. And if other people want to do so more power to them - they're probably saving a life by doing so.

 

[XJLI]

He's already been tried and convicted...however the judge reduced his sentence from 20 years to 30 months. So I guess it wasn't *that* unethical.

Just an interesting story on the radio this morning.

Interesting. What state?

 

[vetteboy]

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Interesting. What state?

Good ol' NJ.

 

[squashman702]

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E30 "builds" can be downright frightening. Check the birdshit welds at the bottom of the first page:

[URL]http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=206510[/url]

The retardation and general mechanical inability follows throughout.

 

[XJLI]

That makes the story different. I would have thought this was done in the LA area.

 

[asp]

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Lol I knew you'd find humor in it, that's why I said it was you. And definitely are the most strict gun safety person I've ever been shooting with. I'll admit I'm not the strictest, but I'll never point a loaded or uncleared firearm in the direction of anyone/myself.

I can't tell if its an M&P9 or the XD. Looks more XD to me too. I like the XD's personally but I think the negligent discharge is from idiots buying a cheap gun that looks like a Glock.

No you're definitely not bad with gun safety. I've seen much much worse. Funny thing is, I think my father is even more strict than I am.

They don't just look like Glocks... They function nearly identically. M&P's are notoriously inexpensive but reasonably accurate guns with long, heavy, gritty triggers... which is why mine has a trigger job.

Ruger.. LC9?

Very similar looking to Gary's SR9C..

Nah, I have a LC9 on my hip right now. It's definitely some sort of American composite compact with a double stack mag.

After a little bit of googling, I think it's a full size S&W M&P 9mm. I feel like an idiot... I own the m&p 40 compact. I should have recognized it sooner. You don't usually see them in a two tone. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

That one:

Mine:

 

[vetteboy]

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So I gotta go to Syracuse for work in two weeks, just a day trip.

Probably I'll drive up the night before and stay somewhere. I'm already mapping out cool stuff to do on the way there & back. :laugh:

Any suggestions off I-81? I'm a sucker for waterfalls, hikes, and scenic shit, I know there's plenty up there...

 

[XJLI]

That's one part of NY I don't know well. Never really got that far west often enough.

 

[asp]

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So I gotta go to Syracuse for work in two weeks, just a day trip.

Probably I'll drive up the night before and stay somewhere. I'm already mapping out cool stuff to do on the way there & back. :laugh:

Any suggestions off I-81? I'm a sucker for waterfalls, hikes, and scenic shit, I know there's plenty up there...

http://howecaverns.com/

Little bit of a tourist trap but still pretty cool.

edit: it might be a little out of your way...

 

[squashman702]

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So I gotta go to Syracuse for work in two weeks, just a day trip.

Probably I'll drive up the night before and stay somewhere. I'm already mapping out cool stuff to do on the way there & back. :laugh:

Any suggestions off I-81? I'm a sucker for waterfalls, hikes, and scenic shit, I know there's plenty up there...

There isn't much to do in Syracuse itself and the surrounding area is kind of lacking. Try to stay outside the city if at all possible, or at the Hilton right next to Syracuse University. If you want a taste of the college bars, hit up Chucks right near Marshall Street. Best student dive bar, hands down. Downtown area is a little classier and has some decent places to go eat but nothing spectacular- might want to try Dinosaur BBQ, kind of a local biker bar favorite.

Shoot me a PM if you have more questions, I lived up that way for 4 years for school.

 

[Begster]

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Anthony, you can legally modify the trigger on a gun in MA? I though it was illegal to do any modifications to a gun like that, or the magazine.

Stopped by a gun shop yesterday and picked up about 10 boxes of 9mm yesterday. I was not extremely accurate with my Sig when I took it to the range the first time. The trigger was definitely the culprit. Another thing I found was when loading the 10 round mag, it would get hung up at 8 rounds, and would sometimes be impossible to load the 9th. It felt like something was obstructing it, and it required extra force to load. This was on all 3 magazines.

 

[dukie564]

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Dinosaur BBQ is the shit

just skydrive your jeep into the Carrier Dome

 

[kastein]

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E30 "builds" can be downright frightening. Check the birdshit welds at the bottom of the first page:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=206510

The retardation and general mechanical inability follows throughout.

a friend of mine who loves e30s was telling me about some of the "fabrication" people do and how it's horrible a day or two ago.

Odd, that link was broken as hell till I quoted you. Now it works.

 

[XJLI]

A lot of car guys who try and fab stuff create unspeakable atrocities.

 

[vetteboy]

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Stopped by a gun shop yesterday and picked up about 10 boxes of 9mm yesterday. I was not extremely accurate with my Sig when I took it to the range the first time. The trigger was definitely the culprit. Another thing I found was when loading the 10 round mag, it would get hung up at 8 rounds, and would sometimes be impossible to load the 9th. It felt like something was obstructing it, and it required extra force to load. This was on all 3 magazines.

Didn't you get a SIG P250 (double action only)?

I hated the DAO, but there are two factory triggers for that one...do you have the standard or short? Might be worth changing it up to see if you like it better.

 

[asp]

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Anthony, you can legally modify the trigger on a gun in MA? I though it was illegal to do any modifications to a gun like that, or the magazine.

Stopped by a gun shop yesterday and picked up about 10 boxes of 9mm yesterday. I was not extremely accurate with my Sig when I took it to the range the first time. The trigger was definitely the culprit. Another thing I found was when loading the 10 round mag, it would get hung up at 8 rounds, and would sometimes be impossible to load the 9th. It felt like something was obstructing it, and it required extra force to load. This was on all 3 magazines.

Don't start drinking the Kool-Aid on me, Mark. You can modify them, they just can't sell them in any deviation from the approved EOPS roster. It's even legal to own things that aren't on the roster, provided you can find someone to sell it to you. There is no legal risk to the buyer, only the seller if it is a new purchase. If it's a face to face transfer you can buy and sell whatever you want so long as it's not a short barrel rifle, full auto, or in violation of the AWB. The only catch is that hand guns have to go through a FFL for inter-state sales.

I hate to say this, but buy your ammo at walmart or dicks. I'll never buy a gun at a chain store but ammo is so cheap there compared to a small shop.

That's strange about the mags... did you try searching northeastshooters to see if anyone has had a similar problem?

 

[Begster]

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Didn't you get a SIG P250 (double action only)?

I hated the DAO, but there are two factory triggers for that one...do you have the standard or short? Might be worth changing it up to see if you like it better.

Yep, P250 DOA.

I was just reading up on the different triggers, and saw mention of the short one. I heard some people saying that it really didn't affect the throw of the trigger much, since it is a DOA and does have a long pull. I'll need to search up on it tonight.

 

[ktm racer 419]

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A lot of car guys who try and fab stuff create unspeakable atrocities.

My perfectly sound welds that look a million times nicer than that get made fun of. and not one person mentions how shitty his welds are.

 

[XJLI]

Lol, life.

 

[asp]

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Mark, I forgot to answer you about magazines. You can do whatever the heck you want as long as it doesn't take more than 10 rounds (10 round rule doesn't apply to pre-ban mag) And you can even take a high-cap post-ban mag and neuter it to only accept 10 and it will be legal. The only catch is that the modification has to be permanent.

Also, did you know it's legal to put a pre-ban high cap mag in a post-ban gun? I have 30-rnd mags for my AR that I just built and I'm 100% legal.