THe NAC Lots-O-BFG KO2 Thread

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MoparManiac said:
chris, what did you do for your clutch MC to SC line? I was thinking about getting the braided line from Novak for $50. I'm not sure I would trust flared hard lines coming off each cylinder with a small rubber piece inbetween to take up the flex.
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You probably don't want to do what I did. It's a long story but I'm bored.

My XJ was 2wd, 5-speed from the factory. It had the external slave setup on the trans; being a '94 it had just changed over from the internal slave a few years prior.

When I did the initial 4x4 conversion, the transmission I ended up getting was a BA10/5 from a '89. I was a dumbass back then and got as far as bolting it up to the motor before realizing that the clutch was different. Meanwhile I had to drive it back to school the next day. Great planning.

The stock '94 clutch line is a molded rigid plastic piece that gets held in to the MC and SC by a roll pin w/O-ring. I chopped the slave cylinder end off and went to Lowes; and found a combination of a barbed fitting and flare adapter that I could hook up to the slave cylinder line. I jammed the barbed fitting into the clutch line (it didn't really fit), threw a hose clamp on it (which probably did nothing because it's rigid plastic), got the clutch bled and went on down the road.

So 7 years later (:gag:), I still have that barbed fitting and flare adapter in there. The NV4500 swap uses the internal slave anyway so I never changed it. This came back to bite me in the ass last weekend at Big Dogs in VA when the clutch line got a hole in it and the master cylinder died, somehow simultaneously. Not knowing about the hole, I drove 50 miles round trip into town to buy a new master cylinder for the OEM application - '94, external slave. Because I still had the stock MC and roll pin/O-ring fitting, even though I've been running an internal slave. Got that swapped out and found the hole in the line when I went to bleed it. Awesome.

Turns out if you call the dealer for a clutch line for a '94 XJ, you have to talk to 3 people before you get someone that even knows that XJ's ever came with 5-speeds. Then they can't find a listing for the clutch line because it's only available as a complete kit - MC, line, SC. Well I don't need the MC because I just replaced it, I don't need the SC because I can't use it anyway. FML.

So I repaired the existing line with a brass compression union from Lowes (funny how these things come full circle). I had to mix and match two sizes; the line has a thick wall so it needed the inside sleeve for a 1/4" hose and the outside ferrule and fitting for 5/16". I cut about 3" out of the middle of the line and compression unioned it back together, and it seems to be holding up OK. If my prior experience with Lowes' brass fittings is any indication I don't expect to have an issue with it in the forseeable future.

Cliff notes: '94 XJ MC, '94 XJ clutch line, brass compression union, barbed hose fitting, pipe thread to flare adapter, '87-91 internal slave.
 
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Colin, I think the moral of the story is 'buy the kit'
 
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93XJLI said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ytMaJu7VFA
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Neat video.
vetteboy said:
You probably don't want to do what I did. It's a long story but I'm bored.

My XJ was 2wd, 5-speed from the factory. It had the external slave setup on the trans; being a '94 it had just changed over from the internal slave a few years prior.

When I did the initial 4x4 conversion, the transmission I ended up getting was a BA10/5 from a '89. I was a dumbass back then and got as far as bolting it up to the motor before realizing that the clutch was different. Meanwhile I had to drive it back to school the next day. Great planning.

The stock '94 clutch line is a molded rigid plastic piece that gets held in to the MC and SC by a roll pin w/O-ring. I chopped the slave cylinder end off and went to Lowes; and found a combination of a barbed fitting and flare adapter that I could hook up to the slave cylinder line. I jammed the barbed fitting into the clutch line (it didn't really fit), threw a hose clamp on it (which probably did nothing because it's rigid plastic), got the clutch bled and went on down the road.

So 7 years later (:gag:), I still have that barbed fitting and flare adapter in there. The NV4500 swap uses the internal slave anyway so I never changed it. This came back to bite me in the ass last weekend at Big Dogs in VA when the clutch line got a hole in it and the master cylinder died, somehow simultaneously. Not knowing about the hole, I drove 50 miles round trip into town to buy a new master cylinder for the OEM application - '94, external slave. Because I still had the stock MC and roll pin/O-ring fitting, even though I've been running an internal slave. Got that swapped out and found the hole in the line when I went to bleed it. Awesome.

Turns out if you call the dealer for a clutch line for a '94 XJ, you have to talk to 3 people before you get someone that even knows that XJ's ever came with 5-speeds. Then they can't find a listing for the clutch line because it's only available as a complete kit - MC, line, SC. Well I don't need the MC because I just replaced it, I don't need the SC because I can't use it anyway. FML.

So I repaired the existing line with a brass compression union from Lowes (funny how these things come full circle). I had to mix and match two sizes; the line has a thick wall so it needed the inside sleeve for a 1/4" hose and the outside ferrule and fitting for 5/16". I cut about 3" out of the middle of the line and compression unioned it back together, and it seems to be holding up OK. If my prior experience with Lowes' brass fittings is any indication I don't expect to have an issue with it in the forseeable future.

Cliff notes: '94 XJ MC, '94 XJ clutch line, brass compression union, barbed hose fitting, pipe thread to flare adapter, '87-91 internal slave.
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Awesome.
This is what posts in the LOPT needs to be all the time.
asp said:
Colin, I think the moral of the story is 'buy the kit'. You were right about my doubler, I'll buy it this afternoon.
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Fixed.
 
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vetteboy said:
You probably don't want to do what I did. It's a long story but I'm bored.

My XJ was 2wd, 5-speed from the factory. It had the external slave setup on the trans; being a '94 it had just changed over from the internal slave a few years prior.

When I did the initial 4x4 conversion, the transmission I ended up getting was a BA10/5 from a '89. I was a dumbass back then and got as far as bolting it up to the motor before realizing that the clutch was different. Meanwhile I had to drive it back to school the next day. Great planning.

The stock '94 clutch line is a molded rigid plastic piece that gets held in to the MC and SC by a roll pin w/O-ring. I chopped the slave cylinder end off and went to Lowes; and found a combination of a barbed fitting and flare adapter that I could hook up to the slave cylinder line. I jammed the barbed fitting into the clutch line (it didn't really fit), threw a hose clamp on it (which probably did nothing because it's rigid plastic), got the clutch bled and went on down the road.

So 7 years later (:gag:), I still have that barbed fitting and flare adapter in there. The NV4500 swap uses the internal slave anyway so I never changed it. This came back to bite me in the ass last weekend at Big Dogs in VA when the clutch line got a hole in it and the master cylinder died, somehow simultaneously. Not knowing about the hole, I drove 50 miles round trip into town to buy a new master cylinder for the OEM application - '94, external slave. Because I still had the stock MC and roll pin/O-ring fitting, even though I've been running an internal slave. Got that swapped out and found the hole in the line when I went to bleed it. Awesome.

Turns out if you call the dealer for a clutch line for a '94 XJ, you have to talk to 3 people before you get someone that even knows that XJ's ever came with 5-speeds. Then they can't find a listing for the clutch line because it's only available as a complete kit - MC, line, SC. Well I don't need the MC because I just replaced it, I don't need the SC because I can't use it anyway. FML.

So I repaired the existing line with a brass compression union from Lowes (funny how these things come full circle). I had to mix and match two sizes; the line has a thick wall so it needed the inside sleeve for a 1/4" hose and the outside ferrule and fitting for 5/16". I cut about 3" out of the middle of the line and compression unioned it back together, and it seems to be holding up OK. If my prior experience with Lowes' brass fittings is any indication I don't expect to have an issue with it in the forseeable future.

Cliff notes: '94 XJ MC, '94 XJ clutch line, brass compression union, barbed hose fitting, pipe thread to flare adapter, '87-91 internal slave.
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:roflmao: I've probably done way worse. Did I tell you the bolts that hold on the tranny mount for my AW4 on my XJ were mysteriously missing when we stripped it back in July? :D Probably could have contributed to my vibrations on the highway...

Thanks for the help, I think I'm probably going to just get the line from Novak. I don't even know if a stock line will work in my case since I believe the AX4 was an internal slave (my MJ was a 2.5/AX4 2WD) and my NP435 is an external. I don't know when they switched to the plastic line/roll pin setup, but my year uses a regular NPT fitting in the master cylinder with a hardline to a rubber line (similar to how a stock PS pressure line looks).
 
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MoparManiac said:
I don't know when they switched to the plastic line/roll pin setup, but my year uses a regular NPT fitting in the master cylinder with a hardline to a rubber line (similar to how a stock PS pressure line looks).
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That's probably the one that I should be running, if I didn't just buy this one for 2x the price I should have paid for it. :bs:

(that's what happens when you're at a big offroad event and the closest parts store is well aware of this fact)

RCman said:
This is what posts in the LOPT needs to be all the time.
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You guys want stories? I've got plenty.

So a few years ago I was driving back from South Carolina just after christmas. I was hauling ass up I-95 and decided to stop at the Maryland House rest area to fuel up and poop.

So I find a stall and do what I gotta do, and as luck would have it, the damn TP roll is empty. Nothing inspires creativity like an empty roll of TP so I start scanning the ground for discarded newspaper, debating whether I actually need two socks or two shirt sleeves, etc. Finally I look under the partition and see a pair of feet hanging on the other side, so I knock on the divider and ask if its occupant can throw some TP over my way.

"My dad told me not to talk to strangers in the bathroom."

Great, it's a little kid.

"I don't want to talk to you, I just want some TP."

Dad's outside waiting. "It's ok, you can give him some."

"But Dad, I don't wanna."

"Why not?"

"Cuz I have diarrhea and I might run out too."

Fan-fawkin-tastic.

From outside I hear some rustling, and over the door comes a wad of TP that the father scavenged from an empty stall. I finished up and opened the door, and of course the guy is still standing there. No words were exchanged, just that little nod of acknowledgement between two guys who've both been in the same shitty situation before.

Proof that there are still some decent people in this world. :D
 
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mini=man said:
Why does it have to be a 4 cyl!?!?!:flamemad: My friend wants a XJ and that would've been perfect. Maybe I can convince him tall gears and a doubler will make it better.
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comes with 4.10s, a 4.0 and aw4 cost less than regearing two axles or even buying parts to do so :roflmao:

vetteboy said:
You probably don't want to do what I did. It's a long story but I'm bored.

My XJ was 2wd, 5-speed from the factory. It had the external slave setup on the trans; being a '94 it had just changed over from the internal slave a few years prior.

When I did the initial 4x4 conversion, the transmission I ended up getting was a BA10/5 from a '89. I was a dumbass back then and got as far as bolting it up to the motor before realizing that the clutch was different. Meanwhile I had to drive it back to school the next day. Great planning.

The stock '94 clutch line is a molded rigid plastic piece that gets held in to the MC and SC by a roll pin w/O-ring. I chopped the slave cylinder end off and went to Lowes; and found a combination of a barbed fitting and flare adapter that I could hook up to the slave cylinder line. I jammed the barbed fitting into the clutch line (it didn't really fit), threw a hose clamp on it (which probably did nothing because it's rigid plastic), got the clutch bled and went on down the road.

So 7 years later (:gag:), I still have that barbed fitting and flare adapter in there. The NV4500 swap uses the internal slave anyway so I never changed it. This came back to bite me in the ass last weekend at Big Dogs in VA when the clutch line got a hole in it and the master cylinder died, somehow simultaneously. Not knowing about the hole, I drove 50 miles round trip into town to buy a new master cylinder for the OEM application - '94, external slave. Because I still had the stock MC and roll pin/O-ring fitting, even though I've been running an internal slave. Got that swapped out and found the hole in the line when I went to bleed it. Awesome.

Turns out if you call the dealer for a clutch line for a '94 XJ, you have to talk to 3 people before you get someone that even knows that XJ's ever came with 5-speeds. Then they can't find a listing for the clutch line because it's only available as a complete kit - MC, line, SC. Well I don't need the MC because I just replaced it, I don't need the SC because I can't use it anyway. FML.

So I repaired the existing line with a brass compression union from Lowes (funny how these things come full circle). I had to mix and match two sizes; the line has a thick wall so it needed the inside sleeve for a 1/4" hose and the outside ferrule and fitting for 5/16". I cut about 3" out of the middle of the line and compression unioned it back together, and it seems to be holding up OK. If my prior experience with Lowes' brass fittings is any indication I don't expect to have an issue with it in the forseeable future.

Cliff notes: '94 XJ MC, '94 XJ clutch line, brass compression union, barbed hose fitting, pipe thread to flare adapter, '87-91 internal slave.
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that was amusing as hell to read aside from the pukegoat swap, that made me cry a little inside because it's like swapping in a d35.

asp said:
Colin, I think the moral of the story is 'buy the kit'
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OHHHHHHHH I didn't see that coming.

drove the 96 to work, half a mile from the end of 290 the CEL came on and it started choking and heaving and being a piece of shit in general... ended up dying completely just as I pulled up to the light at stop&shop on 85. Had to push the damn thing across the intersection while the idiot behind me honked (like I can do a damn thing about it buddy, STFU :twak:)

Kicked it, punched it a few times, tried starting again... nothing. Did the world's fastest first-time CPS swap since I had a spare and it seemed most likely (10 minutes, alone, still on the side of the road, without dropping the driveshaft!) and it still wouldn't run! Checked fuel pressure, it was perfectly fine at the rail. Tried unplugging the upstream O2 sensor to see if it was shorting out sensor power from its meeting with the driveshaft at camp UJ, still wouldn't start. Police showed up right around this point and said they'd call a tow truck... cool. Idiots driving by proceeded to start honking (why the hell do people honk as they drive by a broken down car or a broken down car and police car? seriously :twak:). Got towed to the autozone parking lot a quarter mile away and walked to work...

Stuff I haven't checked yet -
* MAP sensor
* ECU (hope it's not toast)
* camshaft position sensor (unplugged and reattached to see if it got dirt in the connector when I pulled the engine a few weeks ago)
* ignition coil
* upstream O2 didn't really get checked, just unplugged

My ScanGauge II was being a complete piece of crap and refusing to read codes properly, I think I'm going to return it... would have already fixed it probably had I gotten codes read. Gonna see if I can fix it and drive it home tonight.

:doh: :smsoap: :banghead: DAMN JEEP
 
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The doubler project is not going to take him 3 years... the chop and tube work might, unless you guys are talking about a tube buggy kit.
 
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vetteboy said:
That's probably the one that I should be running, if I didn't just buy this one for 2x the price I should have paid for it. :bs:

(that's what happens when you're at a big offroad event and the closest parts store is well aware of this fact)
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Yeah that sucks. When I replaced the MC and SC on my '01 CTD I had to do the same thing. Buy it as a kit and replace them both.



vetteboy said:
You guys want stories? I've got plenty.

So a few years ago I was driving back from South Carolina just after christmas. I was hauling ass up I-95 and decided to stop at the Maryland House rest area to fuel up and poop.

So I find a stall and do what I gotta do, and as luck would have it, the damn TP roll is empty. Nothing inspires creativity like an empty roll of TP so I start scanning the ground for discarded newspaper, debating whether I actually need two socks or two shirt sleeves, etc. Finally I look under the partition and see a pair of feet hanging on the other side, so I knock on the divider and ask if its occupant can throw some TP over my way.

"My dad told me not to talk to strangers in the bathroom."

Great, it's a little kid.

"I don't want to talk to you, I just want some TP."

Dad's outside waiting. "It's ok, you can give him some."

"But Dad, I don't wanna."

"Why not?"

"Cuz I have diarrhea and I might run out too."

Fan-fawkin-tastic.

From outside I hear some rustling, and over the door comes a wad of TP that the father scavenged from an empty stall. I finished up and opened the door, and of course the guy is still standing there. No words were exchanged, just that little nod of acknowledgement between two guys who've both been in the same shitty situation before.

Proof that there are still some decent people in this world. :D
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:roflmao: Awesome.

You need to meet Carmelo. Everytime he tells a story I'm usually in tears laughing so hard.
 
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Great story Chris! :D
Way better than the usual twitter type announcements we get in this thread.
 
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hahaha man... I haven't had that happen to me in YEARS. It really sucks when it happens though. Ended up using the toilet paper roll itself at one point, it was a bit less than comfortable but worked well enough to switch stalls to one that had toilet paper.

Get in the habit of wiping the seat first, it keeps you from sitting in some shitbag's piss and also results in you noticing there is no TP in this stall before you even sit down.
 
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kastein said:
that was amusing as hell to read aside from the pukegoat swap, that made me cry a little inside because it's like swapping in a d35.
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A combination of ignorance and the parts yard telling me "sure, we have a 4x4 jeep cherokee manual trans, come and get it!".

It lasted me for about 6 months. At one point the shift pattern disappeared entirely and it was stuck in 5th gear. I discovered this fact after I had just been pulled over for speeding 1/4-mile away from my parkway exit, and I went to go get back into traffic in front of the state trooper. I ended up yanking it into low-range, which was enough to get me down the exit ramp to a commuter lot. Had to pull the console and lower shift boot, then the shifter assembly, and mess around with the individual rails because the ball stud on the shifter was getting worn out.

Then it started popping out of reverse if I didn't lean on the shifter the whole time. And 5th gear eventually shed a few teeth and made this cool 'ba-bump' noise every time those teeth came around going down the highway. The t-case that came with it was good until the very first time I went wheeling with it, and it turned out the chain was worn and would skip under load in low-range. I about crapped my pants the first time that happened, and the noise was later described as 'chopping rocks with a chainsaw'.

I ended up buying a rebuilt AX15/231 combo, which served me well for many years, and as far as I know that trans is still working fine behind a friend of mine's 4.6L YJ up in Michigan.

So yeah, the BA10/5 is definitely worthy of its repuation. Considering I went from a 2wd AX15 to a 4x4 BA10/5 with a real front axle, I'd say that amounts to pretty much a neutral gain in overall capability. :D
 
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vetteboy said:
So yeah, the BA10/5 is definitely worthy of its repuation. Considering I went from a 2wd AX15 to a 4x4 BA10/5 with a real front axle, I'd say that amounts to pretty much a neutral gain in overall capability. :D
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Yeah that pretty much sums it up, haha.

I need a welding jacket. I have some sweet burns on my left arm. Maybe I'll take a trip to the store on Saturday and pick one up.
 
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kastein said:
Get in the habit of wiping the seat first, it keeps you from sitting in some shitbag's piss and also results in you noticing there is no TP in this stall before you even sit down.
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I usually do.

Unfortunately in this particular case, I barely able to get my pants down in time, let alone find an optimum stall.

The toilet scene from 'dumb and dumber' comes to mind. If I were next to me, I would have been laughing my ass off.
 
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