Texas Mexico border fence

[Nuke Proof]

Paradox.....yes.

We don't uphold the existing laws (thanks to the ACLU and the rest of the Socialist party that prefers the term "illegal immigrant" over low-paid slaves) that prevent the invasion from the South, but we allow our elected officials to make new laws that further penalize the tax paying legal US citizens/property owners.

So let's break this down.

Entry into the US from Mexico is illegal.

If you enter the US illegally (illegal), bring your family (illegal) and get a job here (illegal), then you've become less illegal and the US Government is hesitant to send you home, because you have successfully stolen a SS number of a legal US Citizen (illegal) to get a job.

With a SS#, technically you can vote (illegal) and if you do vote, you will vote for the Socialist movement that wants you to not get deported because they now get to keep 35-40% of your earnings that they will never have to give back.

If you have a baby in the US (illegal) the baby is a Citizen and the government or the hospital (welfare, taxes, increased healthcare fees), will pay for the healthcare of the baby.

The US citizen cry out for closing the border, the government spends more of their money to apease them, with little more results than a $49 Billion(increased taxes) dollar detour sign to divert the 1.2 million annual border crossing arrests to Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

Border Patrol agents who are shot at or otherwise threatened are hesitant in using the deadly force to protect themselves and the US Border, because our own Judicial system favors the rights of the invaders over our agents.
Officer Ramos and Officer Campean ring any bells?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/may/15/pardon-ramos-and-compean/

http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/

Irony......
I ordered a Spicy Chicken sandwich at Wendy's in Jackson Hole last week, the cook needed a translator to make the sandwich correctly, it only took them twice. As I sat there munching, I thought to myself........if I moved to Mexico, I could not do so without legal documentation and I would have to learn Spanish, just to get a job. If we are not being invaded, why are labels, billboards and menu's being offering in English and Spanish? Why are US Citizens being forced to bend and conform, while those invading our country do not?

The parable we learn of the frog in the boiling water comes to mind.......or the Trojan Horse. Very impressive tactical warfare........so many parallells exist and they all arrive at the same end.

The loss of our Freedom.

That sounds like something I said on the Olympic thread...

 

[Jeep XJ_YJ]

doesn't comply with the main goal. NAU

 

[Ecomike]

You go ahead and put up the best fence you can build, I'll bet on some Mexican with a few dollars worth of nails and pile of scrap lumber.

:laugh3:

Or a good rope! :laugh3:

I recall a number of years ago they discovered a huge super long tunnel under the border that had been used by the top drug lord in Mexico for years, to get back and forth and to smuggle cocaine in the US.

 

[Jester99]

I don't see a fence going up ever or anymore security being added than there is now. What I do see in the future is the United States, Mexico, and Canada forming one gigantic country with one currency system to compete with the European Union and the Euro. If you think that's a crazy idea read more into it. It has already started with the trans-continental highway that runs from Mexico through our heartland and into Canada.

I mean lets face it, why else wouldn't they already be putting up a stronger border? We've sent all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and we've got 20+million immigrants working in our fields, kitchens and factories(not meaning to sound racist at all). I seriously doubt Canada will give a damn about joining the Union because they are neutral and liberal. Even if they don't comply it's the American way to move in with our Abrams, F-16's and our M-16's and force you to submit to want America wants.

All of chess pieces are on the board now. The only thing we are waiting on is the key player to come along, and checkmate...

 

[fscrig75]

I didn't know there were any elected Dems left in Texas.

http://www.senate.state.tx.us/75r/senate/members/dist29/dist29.htm
Congressional District 16--Congressman Silvestre Reyes

Its been my experience the city elections are not Dem / Rep issue based, the candidates are not party affiliated, the city elections are in off years, and are mostly driven by local issues, not by National Dem / Rep party.

You are probably right about that, but our Mayor is a Dem.


Anyway, it's the emminent domain issue and the constituional issues I was trying to cover topic wise in this thread, not the immigration issue, which in my opion is just a politcal football that both parties play with during elections, then put it on the shelf for reuse later like they do other issues, but both parties know the real truth that big businness wants and needs the emmigrants here, and they have $$$$s and MUCHO lobbyists.

Yep 100% correct. If they didn't have illegals then they, big business, would have to actually pay everyone minimum wage, benifits, etc, instead of the dirt they pay them now.


The problem is that the government repeatedly lets developers buy the land for nearly nothing, or just take it with out adequite compensation to those who end up loosing their property.

Yea thats what El Paso wants to do. They want to give them the value of the property now, the city is going to fix up the property and sell it for a killing. If the government is going to take property and sell it for a profit, all that money should go to the former owner. But more importanly they should NOT take the property in the first place.





The issue that got my attention with this story was this one guys family farm was getting cut in two, leaving 90% of this guys acreage on the Mexico side, and only compensating him for less that 1% of the property he was in effect loosing, and the law did not allow him to sue for adequite compensation. That is just not right. They only compensated him for the 4 foot stip they put the fence on.

I haven't heard anything about that. The city government won't talk about taking peoples property because thats what they want to do downtown. But the b*tch and moan about any fence since it will cut off our "sister city". I'm against the fence but we, El Paso, need to cut off that "sister city" crap, Juarez is nothing but a war zone.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-innocents16-2008jul16,0,4608414.story?page=1



I seem to remember something in the constituiton about the Government being prohibited from a taking with out due process of law. This new law outlawed due process of law.

Actually it says: "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation". The Fifth Amendment did not create the national government's right to use the eminent domain power, it simply limited it to public use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

I guess we could call what Russia is doing to Georgia right now an act of emminant domain as justification for confiscated the land.

 

[XJEEPER]

I thought the freemarket determined oil prices...unless I missed the memo on having a state-run oil industry...

And are you trying to connect migrant workers to terrorism? Paranoid much? If I was an illegal worker coming north, I sure as hell would want Ahmed Terrorist coming with me. Then the Americans will sure as shit close the border down. It would be in my best interest to see that doesn't happen.

Right. And the less of our own oil we have available for US consumption, the more we will pay at the pump.

While our Southern border is a joke, my reference to terrorists in this thread is the eco-terrorist movement. It's not parnoia, its fact. It's what's behind massive landclosures, wilderness creation where there are documented roads and trails, oil and gas rights being restricted by litigation, offshore and inland drilling freezes, prohibition of coal and natural gas exploration, BLM land management minipulation thru litigation.

Calling it anything less than eco-terrorism is pandering to the PC crowd.

As for the border........

Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups began infiltrating Mexico in the days after 9/11. By 2003, Canadian intelligence officials and Interpol told Mexican President Vincente Fox that al-Qaida had established several cells in Mexico to prepare for the next terrorist attacks, Williams tells readers.

​

Meanwhile hundreds of Tzozil Indians in southern Mexico converted to Islam and reportedly became involved in subversive activities. By 2004, al-Qaida cells were in place in northern Mexico and a large cell of Hezbollah was in Tijuana, on the U.S. border of California. The Muslim radicals enlisted the aid of Latino gangs, including Mara Salvatrucha, to help them slip across the border.

According to Williams, the going rate for such service was from $30,000 to $50,000, but it included a bogus matricular consular, an official ID card issued by the Mexican government that enables Mexican nationals in the U.S. to obtain drivers licenses and open bank accounts.

Steve McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's Office of Intelligence, told the House Judiciary Committee in June 2003:
"The ability of foreign nationals to use the matricular consular provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely within the United States without triggering name-based watch lists that are disseminated to local police officials."

Mexico has also become a conduit for aliens from terror-sponsoring states, known as "special-interest aliens," or SIAs. By 2006, a popular entry route from Mexico into Arizona was littered with "discarded Muslim prayer rugs, pages from the Quran, instructions in Arabic on how to cross the Rio Grande, and beverage boxes with Farsi and Arabic letters," writes Williams, a seasoned investigative reporter and former FBI consultant.
Due to a lack of detention facilities, those SIAs that are apprehended — who have numbered in the thousands in recent years — are released from custody after receiving hearing dates from immigration judges. Fewer than 5 percent actually show up for their hearing. The rest simply vanish.

Texas Rep. Solomon Ortiz, a Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee's Subcommittee on Readiness, said the release of Middle Easterners with possible links to al-Qaida is "very, very scary and members of Congress know about this."

In April 2004, the FBI arrested al-Qaida operative Mohammed Junaid Babar, after he returned to New York City from a terrorist summit meeting in Pakistan. He told interrogators that al-Qaida was preparing a nuclear attack on American cities. He also said the terrorists were relying on Latino gangs, most notably Mara Salvatrucha, to transport the operatives, along with nuclear supplies, across the U.S.-Mexican border. Another captured terrorist later confirmed Babar's account. And both men said the plot was being directed by Adnan el-Shukrijumah, the man profiled in a NewsMax story last week — whom Williams calls "the most dangerous person in the Western world."

 

[Ecomike]

Right. And the less of our own oil we have available for US consumption, the more we will pay at the pump.

While our Southern border is a joke, my reference to terrorists in this thread is the eco-terrorist movement. It's not parnoia, its fact. It's what's behind massive landclosures, wilderness creation where there are documented roads and trails, oil and gas rights being restricted by litigation, offshore and inland drilling freezes, prohibition of coal and natural gas exploration, BLM land management minipulation thru litigation.

Calling it anything less than eco-terrorism is pandering to the PC crowd.

As for the border........

Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups began infiltrating Mexico in the days after 9/11. By 2003, Canadian intelligence officials and Interpol told Mexican President Vincente Fox that al-Qaida had established several cells in Mexico to prepare for the next terrorist attacks, Williams tells readers.


Meanwhile hundreds of Tzozil Indians in southern Mexico converted to Islam and reportedly became involved in subversive activities. By 2004, al-Qaida cells were in place in northern Mexico and a large cell of Hezbollah was in Tijuana, on the U.S. border of California. The Muslim radicals enlisted the aid of Latino gangs, including Mara Salvatrucha, to help them slip across the border.

According to Williams, the going rate for such service was from $30,000 to $50,000, but it included a bogus matricular consular, an official ID card issued by the Mexican government that enables Mexican nationals in the U.S. to obtain drivers licenses and open bank accounts.

Steve McCraw, assistant director of the FBI's Office of Intelligence, told the House Judiciary Committee in June 2003:
"The ability of foreign nationals to use the matricular consular provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely within the United States without triggering name-based watch lists that are disseminated to local police officials."

Mexico has also become a conduit for aliens from terror-sponsoring states, known as "special-interest aliens," or SIAs. By 2006, a popular entry route from Mexico into Arizona was littered with "discarded Muslim prayer rugs, pages from the Quran, instructions in Arabic on how to cross the Rio Grande, and beverage boxes with Farsi and Arabic letters," writes Williams, a seasoned investigative reporter and former FBI consultant.
Due to a lack of detention facilities, those SIAs that are apprehended — who have numbered in the thousands in recent years — are released from custody after receiving hearing dates from immigration judges. Fewer than 5 percent actually show up for their hearing. The rest simply vanish.

Texas Rep. Solomon Ortiz, a Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee's Subcommittee on Readiness, said the release of Middle Easterners with possible links to al-Qaida is "very, very scary and members of Congress know about this."

In April 2004, the FBI arrested al-Qaida operative Mohammed Junaid Babar, after he returned to New York City from a terrorist summit meeting in Pakistan. He told interrogators that al-Qaida was preparing a nuclear attack on American cities. He also said the terrorists were relying on Latino gangs, most notably Mara Salvatrucha, to transport the operatives, along with nuclear supplies, across the U.S.-Mexican border. Another captured terrorist later confirmed Babar's account. And both men said the plot was being directed by Adnan el-Shukrijumah, the man profiled in a NewsMax story last week — whom Williams calls "the most dangerous person in the Western world."

Sounds to me like proof that the Rebublicans have been sleeping on the job since 9/11!:rattle:

Time to let the Democrats work on the problem.

I guess you consider me one of those Eco-Terrorists too?
signed ECOMIKE
:wave1:

 

[DrMoab]

I guess you consider me one of those Eco-Terrorists too?
signed ECOMIKE
:wave1:

Yes.

 

[Ecomike]

Yes.

:bawl:

 

[JohnJohn]

Sounds to me like proof that the Rebublicans have been sleeping on the job since 9/11!:rattle:

Time to let the Democrats work on the problem.

I guess you consider me one of those Eco-Terrorists too?
signed ECOMIKE
:wave1:

In the 90's the Dem's where like night watchman who slept on the job while stuff got stolen. Then they blamed the day guard for having a better shift then they do.

 

[Darky]

:laugh3:

Or a good rope! :laugh3:

I recall a number of years ago they discovered a huge super long tunnel under the border that had been used by the top drug lord in Mexico for years, to get back and forth and to smuggle cocaine in the US.

That tunnel was near Nogales if I recall correctly.

 

[XJEEPER]

Sounds to me like proof that the Rebublicans have been sleeping on the job since 9/11!:rattle:

Time to let the Democrats work on the problem.

I guess you consider me one of those Eco-Terrorists too?
signed ECOMIKE
:wave1:

If the sandal fits........by their fruits ye shall know them.

I've been hopeful that the Democrats that were elected 2 years ago would follow thru with all the promises they made to get elected.......all I see is an OZ-like performance to divert the public's focus from the real issues that plague our nation.

Got public approval rating for our current Congress? Try 14%.......

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx

What's really sad, is that it's even lower that GW's 28% rating........

 

[Ecomike]

If the sandal fits........by their fruits ye shall know them.

I've been hopeful that the Democrats that were elected 2 years ago would follow thru with all the promises they made to get elected.......all I see is an OZ-like performance to divert the public's focus from the real issues that plague our nation.

Got public approval rating for our current Congress? Try 14%.......

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx

What's really sad, is that it's even lower that GW's 28% rating........

True or false, I keep hearing that the Republicans in the senate keep filibustering to kill democratic legislation attempts. The democrats are hoping and trying to get 60 senate seats in November, to have a filibuster proof senate. Then they could pass the legislation they promised 2 years ago, and with Obama in office it would get signed into law instead of vetoed.

 

[XJEEPER]

True or false, I keep hearing that the Republicans in the senate keep filibustering to kill democratic legislation attempts. The democrats are hoping and trying to get 60 senate seats in November, to have a filibuster proof senate. Then they could pass the legislation they promised 2 years ago, and with Obama in office it would get signed into law instead of vetoed.

Right.....typical R VS D blabber. I'm an Independent.

They all had a chance to do some good regarding oil exploration last week, which has proven to directly effect fuel prices and every other thing that is associated with increase fuel costs i.e. everything that we consume......but vacation was much more important, which is the equivelent of giving We the People the middle finger.

See, I don't care what your party label is, I care that you were elected do what's best for our country, not the lobbyists, not the special interest groups and not your re-election campaign.

I don't want to pay for other people stupidity or mis-management of their personal life, nor do I want to have money taken from me and doled out to someone who is happy to not lift a finger to help themselves. The solution to our country's financial problems is not tax more, it's spend less. Start with less government programs that promote and encourage dependence on a "system". The Robin Hood system is a myth, it doesn't work.

 

[JohnJohn]

True or false, I keep hearing that the Republicans in the senate keep filibustering to kill democratic legislation attempts. The democrats are hoping and trying to get 60 senate seats in November, to have a filibuster proof senate. Then they could pass the legislation they promised 2 years ago, and with Obama in office it would get signed into law instead of vetoed.

You guys got that from 76 to 80. Nice work, If I remember right the Iranians were REEALLY scared of you guys then too. My parents loved WAITING LINE for expensive gas(relatively speaking).