Supreme Court Ruling and Military Protests

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On the surface, I was disgusted by the ruling and came away from reading the article very angry. After thinking about it though, I don't know what to think. On one hand, you have the first amendment which protects our right to free speech but on the other, I am THOROUGHLY disgusted with what that "church" stands for and protests. Just thinking about what they "stand" for (or in this cast, against) starts getting me angry again. I just don't understand how these people can correlate the military with acceptance of homosexuality in the United States and decide that protesting a military funeral is the best course of action. I find it deplorable honestly. I guess they don't see that these fine men and women are doing their best to PROTECT that freedom of speech that they're wielding with such disregard.

But where is the line? Is there a defineable line?


Just thought I'd vent a little and see what everyone else's view on the subject is.
 
they are a bunch of assbags, and really should shut the hell up.

That being said, their rights should be protected the same as the rest of us.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't take pleasure in the fact that their minivan's tires got slashed at a recent protest and they had to drive all over town with flat tires trying to find a shop that would replace them. The only shop that didn't refuse their business was wal-mart. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114_11_A12_CUTLIN105145
 
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i think its obnoxious, ridiculous, overwhelmingly uncalled for and a huge disrespect to anyone involved......

but they have rights that should be upheld no matter what....

but i will say this: if their protests interfere with the peaceful proceedings of the funerals, then they should be removed, or kept back at a certain distance as to not obstruct the ceremony.

i forget what the pro-life church group is out here in colorado springs. but they were showing up to school plays with signs and pics of aborted babies. parents and faculty just parked vehicles and busses all around the area the students would be so the protestors could not get within view of the students without touching, climbing on, or what have you - the vehicles parked there. in which they could have been escorted away for vandalism (denting or scratching the vehicles)

some people are just loads their mothers should have swallowed
 
in4aride said:
i forget what the pro-life church group is out here in colorado springs. but they were showing up to school plays with signs and pics of aborted babies. parents and faculty just parked vehicles and busses all around the area the students would be so the protestors could not get within view of the students without touching, climbing on, or what have you - the vehicles parked there. in which they could have been escorted away for vandalism (denting or scratching the vehicles)
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Clever - someone was thinking.
 
i tell you what, i do believe they should have their freedom of speech, thats what myself and my family have fought for but i'll tell you this if they were to show up at my Great Grandfathers funeral (20 yrs active service in the Army Air Corps Ret. Col.) or any of my military brothers they should expect to be having a few funerals of their own cause i'll express my second amendment right. They should have the freedom to express their views but i don't think they have given thought to the complete disrespect they are showing to the families of our fallen hero's, or the reaction those families may have. Weather military or not you should not do that at someones funeral. I would also like to thank the Patriot Guard for their contribution in keeping these people as far away from these funerals as possible.
 
Sometimes the courts don't seem to make sense...

Our Freedom of Speech does not mean I can walk up to someone on the street an verbally assault them. There are consequences to that. From the most immediate reaction of the person I am yelling at, to the Cops showing up and hauling my butt away for "Disturbing the Peace".

The problem is that the right law has not been applied to the situation. These people are not protesters, they are bullies. Their "Speech" is about equivalent to someone walking up and spitting on the grave. Their "Right to Free Speech" ends when they verbally assault innocent victims.
 
Yes, they have the right to spout their hateful drivel. I can see why that would be "protected."

However, it has long been affirmed that the Freedom of Speech is not absolute. Precedents have been set where limitations may be made and/or criminal charges brought (libel/slander) in certain cases.

This would have been a good case for a "limitation" to be made - something like "You may not knowingly approach to with eight hundred eighty yards of a funeral, or any portion thereof. If you should find yourself within range of a funeral, you are to remain quiet and respectful until you are eight hundred eighty yards or more away."

(The figure of 880 yards isn't strictly arbitrary - it's a half-mile.)

"Further, you may not make use of amplification or other artificial assistance to make yourselves heard by parties to the funeral."

Discuss
 
Attention whores.

The ruling was based on a lawsuit brought against this one individual baptist church group. The ruling wasn't based on other laws or regulations that could and probably were violated, i.e. Disturbing the Peace.

Once on an interstate I-880 saw a caravan of motorhomes with signs taped to the side that "God Hates Fags" and "God Hates the USA" I wondered if it was this group. Again at a SF Gaints World Series game there were people with these signs and passing out flyers. The SFPD had one of these protestors picking up all the flyers that were strewn on the ground vice being cited for littering. So it got me wondering...If these caravans are traveling around the USA via the highway system why doesn't the highway patrols pull one or two of the vehicles over for vehicle code violations? Almost every vehicle I follow on my commute has some light inoperative.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
Our Freedom of Speech does not mean I can walk up to someone on the street an verbally assault them. There are consequences to that. From the most immediate reaction of the person I am yelling at, to the Cops showing up and hauling my butt away for "Disturbing the Peace".

The problem is that the right law has not been applied to the situation. These people are not protesters, they are bullies. Their "Speech" is about equivalent to someone walking up and spitting on the grave. Their "Right to Free Speech" ends when they verbally assault innocent victims.
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strongly dissagree. this is clearly not verbal assault as per http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Verbal+assault . theyre saying 'god hates fags', not 'we hate you', 'we're gonna hurt you' or 'god will hurt you'.

you cant be for freedom wherever you agree with it, you either have freedom of speach, or you dont. its black or white, and im glad they have their freedoms, even if they are scumbags.

then again, these guys are the great grandfathers of teabaggers, and i really doubt you right wingers would be demanding their rights taken away if they were doing this act outside gay bars in west hollywood, odly enough the gays wouldnt allow it to take place outside gay bars in west hollywood...
 
This is just another example of how religion is keeping us as a society from progressing. Most churches believe that homosexuality is wrong. If the same energy that goes into protesting homosexuality went to helping and showing love to less fortunate people (which is what Jesus would do) this country would be a better place.
 
bigpimpinben said:
This is just another example of how religion is keeping us as a society from progressing. Most churches believe that homosexuality is wrong. If the same energy that goes into protesting homosexuality went to helping and showing love to less fortunate people (which is what Jesus would do) this country would be a better place.
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Really? You start out saying how religion is keeping society from progressing and in the 2nd half of our post state how religion (practicing Jesus' Christianity) would make the country a better place.
 
Disrespect comes in many forms and, for better or worse, is not and really cannot be made illegal. I've known a person to get out of a half day of work by going to a funeral that he would not have gone to had he had the day off anyway. Another disturbed individual I have had the misfortune of making the aquantaince of used to go to any funeral in town because that is what morbidly intertained her. Now I don't know that either of those examples rises to the level of protesting homosexuality at funerals, but I would be seriously angry if someone came to a close relative's burial ceremony to get a few hours off of work.
 
Boatwrench said:
Really? You start out saying how religion is keeping society from progressing and in the 2nd half of our post state how religion (practicing Jesus' Christianity) would make the country a better place.
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Perhaps - but we're talking about man's interpretation of the Word of Christ vice the Word of Christ in se.

As a Catholic, I'm sure you've noted the differences between "do as I say" and "do as I do," no?

Consider the case of the typical mafioso - MAFIA behaviour tends to break about half of the Ten Commandments, but the typical mafioso is a devout Roman Catholic. There seems to be some discrepancy there, wouldn't you say?

[DISCLAIMER] Please note that I don't drag your being Catholic (as I recall...) into this to blame you of hypocrisy - far from it! Having met you personally, I've long figured you for "do as I say" and "do as I do" to be the same rules. However, I did want to mention Catholicism as a lead-in to the example of mafiosi... [/DISCLAIMER]

A quotation I've cited quite often - "I do like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ." -Mahatma Ghandi.
 
If only we could aim some jihadists at them, attribute some nasty Mohammad cartoons to them or something...
 
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