Stroking Vs Forced induction

What's better bang for the buck.

  • Strokers! can't beat that instant power

    Votes: 33 60.0%

  • Force fed all the way. Look at all of that power before it went boom.

    Votes: 14 25.5%

  • Huh? I'm swaping to a 2.5

    Votes: 8 14.5%
  • Total voters
    55
Don't forget that when you get above certain power levels (I don't know what those are exactly) and depending what size tires you're running and your type of wheeling, you can start breaking parts faster than you can shake a stick at! Dana 35 driveshafts and u-joints don't hold up too well with 35s, 400hp, and hardcore rock crawling lol.
 
redfalcon302 said:
Don't forget that when you get above certain power levels (I don't know what those are exactly) and depending what size tires you're running and your type of wheeling, you can start breaking parts faster than you can shake a stick at! Dana 35 driveshafts and u-joints don't hold up too well with 35s, 400hp, and hardcore rock crawling lol.
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I have an Atlas 2 and 2.5 ton rockwells.

My dad (one thinking about FI) Has a D44 front and 8.8 rear
 
I have actually turbo'd an XJ. So I would say turbo. There is no lag with a properly sized turbo and its cheaper than you think. If you do any research you can find easy cheap ways to get a nice cheap reliable set up. We turbo'd my buddies YJ for less than $500 a year ago and its not had a single issue yet and its a monster in the rocks. (5 speed).

And yes, I TIG weld and have a steady hand.

Funny to see that people assume that a stroker will not need fueling and ignition compensation. To actually get any power out of it you will need to be able to tune it.

Bryson has the best working solution so far in the AEM FIC. Next to a stand alone, this is the best I've seen.

If Norm from Allthingsjeep.com hadn't passed you would have seen a 700hp turbo stroked 4.0l I was the one building the turbo kit for that. He was a great guy and Im sorry he didnt get to see his car completed.....
 
AIbandit said:
Funny who said that?
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Most people that talk of strokers do. All the posts I have read over the years always end in people under estimating the need for a larger injector and a way to regulate it.

Its a general statement, not really directed toward and person in this thread.
 
All a stroker needs is an adjustable FPR and/or MAP not really a big deal.

Adding variable boost into it changes things.



CSaddict said:
Most people that talk of strokers do. All the posts I have read over the years always end in people under estimating the need for a larger injector and a way to regulate it.
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Really ALL? lol Where do you read? Jeeps unlimited?

I don't think I've seen a build thread that didn't include larger injectors.


Feel free to look.
http://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8
 
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I think what CSaddict mean't is that most of the guy's that build strokers don't take the steps to do the proper fine tuning needed to tune the motor. You can't just throw larger injectors in there and hope for the best, which is what it seems like a lot of folks do.

An adjustable FPR, Map sensor, and larger injectors are all considered to be mass corrections. They don't perform the fine tuning needed for the dynamic conditions of building a motor.
 
AIbandit said:
All a stroker needs is an adjustable FPR and/or MAP not really a big deal.

Adding variable boost into it changes things.





Really ALL? lol Where do you read? Jeeps unlimited?

I don't think I've seen a build thread that didn't include larger injectors.


Feel free to look.
http://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8
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Your comments have a condescending tone.

Point proven. Timing makes power. Do you tune your own vehicles? How much time have you personally spent on a dyno? The fact you think a turbo vehicle would be less reliable from the get go is silly and shows you really have no idea what you're talking about. What's the point of this pole? To bolster your decision to build a stroker? Build a stroker, no one really cares. Ill stick with forced induction.

Then again I actually understand how it all works.





Was that condescending?
 
CSaddict said:
Your comments have a condescending tone.
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How does text have a tone?

Don't change the subject about to wave your e-peen. This wasn't about your decision to use FI. This was about your exact words

CSaddict said:
All the posts I have read ...under estimating the need for a larger injector and a way to regulate it.
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Which is easily proven as an ignorant statement. (coincidentally about others ignorance.)




CSaddict said:
The fact you think a turbo vehicle would be less reliable from the get go is silly and shows you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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The reliability was based on using a JY motor for a turbo on which you would have no information about. You would of understood if you actually read before posting.


This statement proves your inability to comprehend English.







If you want to bring up reasons to use FI feel free to do so.
 
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All right boys. We love Jeeps, we love modding them and having more power. It takes skill to build a stroker and to fab a forced induction setup. I chose to build a stroker. I had a perfectly fine, young 66K 4.0 that I yanked out of my 96(I bought a 96 w/ a blown engine for $160, put my 4.0 in it and sold it for $2K) so I could have a more powerful 4.6l that I built. I would build it again in a heartbeat. This spring I'll be building a turbo-stroked 4.9l that'll go in my brother's 2wd comanche. I would say that 9 out of 10 people are going to build a stroker before they turbo a 4.0. There are many reasons: ease of using a different crank in a rebuild, not having a reasonably priced turbo kit available, no fab skills or friends with them, etc. I understand it seems like a bunch of us strokers just throw random injectors and hope it works out(it does for a lot of people, which is the beauty of the stroker build), but I feel that some builds are leaving 10-20% on the table. How much does that extra % cost? For me, it's at least $1000(lm2-$360, psc1-$125, Unichip-$400, custom tuning--$150-300). I've spent hours tuning a psc1(enjoyed it even though highly illegal at times) and know all about filling in hundreds of cells with values from -25.0 to +25.5(and I did use 25.5 trying to get 25.5# lt1s down to 12.8:1afr in 5th wot--I know my stroker truly can make use of 27# injectors). Some people don't want to have to go through that process and would rather pay someone else or avoid it altogether. I have a Unichip that is waiting(for a worthy tuner and $) to be tuned. Anyhow, when you read of a turbo Jeep build in the future, don't be surprised if it's Bryson's or CS's(still waiting to see B's mass-produced turbo manifolds). Have either of you riden/driven a stroked Jeep yet?
 
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If my stroker turns out to be not enough for me. I'll probably look into supercharging I like the idea of an instant power adder. That turbo delay may be the difference between falling back off of a rock or finishing the climb.

I understand turbos can be great if done right but this thread wasn't about doing it right. It was about a cheap junkyard build.
 
From that pic of that manifold the other day, it looks like Yan has got the jump on the sc build.
 
gradon said:
Have either of you riden/driven a stroked Jeep yet?
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I've done 58k miles on my 4.6 stroker and I love it. Big grunt from low rpm, instant throttle response, good gas mileage, clean emissions, and runs on low octane gas.
 
urban yan said:
lol. you think?




This is the only pic I'm showing until everything gets installed
(I'm still waiting for certain parts from a certain person)
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I think that's it I can't see on a govy pc.
 
Brown santa came and dropped off my crank today! :D
 
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