steering box options

[madmax]

i have a trailer queen chergy. im running a 76 ford hp44 with 1 ton hysteer. my problem is i move the axle forword 2''and im running a RE drop pit man arm. my steering radius is shot. so need to move the box forword. what are my options. im open to any idea you might have. i would like to go to a 4 bolt set up and do know about the durango swap. i dont need hydo assest at the moment but i am open to the idea.

and yes i do know there is a post running along the same line but i did not find what i was looking for.

 

[FarmerMatt]

My front end is pushed close to 4" forward past stock & I can still hit the turn stops? This is with a Skyjacker dropped pitman arm... If you really need to push the box forward than the easiest way would be to use JKS's SBS system & just drill new holes 2" furthar forward, but you'll get all the plates & spacers you need to make it work.http://store.jksmfg.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SBS&Store_Code=JKS01&Category_Code=Steering_Brake

You might have a huge problem with akerman... Are getting anywhere close to maxing your axle "U" joints or the turn stops?

Matt

 

[madmax]

wow
my iroks are a good three inches from my radius arms. i wonder if i have a nother problem going on

 

[KarlVP]

Take a look at the 05+ TJ units. They are much smaller and bolt up to the Factory mounting locations, so if you do decide to move it, you will have much less box to worry about. With the smaller size though, would deff run a PS fluid cooler.

 

[Goatman]

I don't see how pushing the axle forward will affect your turning radius. The only thing that matters as far as turning goes is the throw of the pitman arm verses the throw of the knuckle. Where the box is mounted has nothing to do with it. The only reason to move the box would be for clearance issues with the pitman arm and the steering linkage. If you did move the box forward, you'd have also have to deal with the front crossmember since the box is tight against it in the stock location.

Like Matt, my front axle is moved forward 4" and it hasn't had any affect on turning.

 

[madmax]

this all makes sence but i still can turn for shit and there is no good reason why i cant. is there a chance that the pump or gear box it worn out. i do have 250k on the rig

 

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

Your draglink is mounted too far away from the balljoint centerline with your high steer setup. Your steering box is maxed out, but the pitman arm doesn't have enough throw to move the knuckle all the way to the stops.

-Dan

 

[madmax]

Your draglink is mounted too far away from the balljoint centerline with your high steer setup. Your steering box is maxed out, but the pitman arm doesn't have enough throw to move the knuckle all the way to the stops.

-Dan

im going to ream out my stock pit man arm a see if that fixes it. its longer than the drop one i have. i looked at every thing really close. the stops on the knuckes still have a good 1/2'' a way from hitting. i could also push the tire another 2'' over after i turned the wheel all the way over and fuild shot out of the pump. so what dose that tell you? im thinking the pump is shot

 

[Goatman]

Sorry......you're not making sense. The condition of the pump or the steering box has nothing to do with how sharp you can turn, only how easy or hard it is to turn. How sharp you can turn is only effected by your steering geometry, basically the distance from the drag link hole on the steering arm to the ball joint centerline verses the throw of your pitman arm. Since we all have the same pitman arm, like Dan said, you need to check the distance on your high steer arm.

Why don't you go measure that and then tell us what the distance is? Most of us know what we are running, or we can measure it quickly to find out, and compare.

 

[BRIANHO13]

Get a drop waggy pitman arm. It is 1" longer and will increase your throw by 1" in each direction.

 

[vintagespeed]

What hi-steer arms are you using? If they have multiple holes for attaching a T/R & a D/L, make sure your Tie Rod is in the holes closest to the axle.

 

[madmax]

im running R&P 4wd hysteer. i know thats not the problem.

i towed my rig in to work and it turns out the worm gear in the steering box is so worn out i miss a whole turn. some time it work and other time it dosent. ill have to take picture to show everyone. so im going to get one out of a durango. not to mention the shorter pit man arm

 

[BRIANHO13]

im running R&P 4wd hysteer. i know thats not the problem.

i towed my rig in to work and it turns out the worm gear in the steering box is so worn out i miss a whole turn. some time it work and other time it dosent. ill have to take picture to show everyone. so im going to get one out of a durango. not to mention the shorter pit man arm

You mean longer pitman arm?

 

[madmax]

no

my gear box it really worn out and i have a short pit man arm

so i need a new box and a waggy pit man arm

 

[Goatman]

Hmmm.......you didn't notice a little wandering in your steering?

 

[vintagespeed]

im running R&P 4wd hysteer. i know thats not the problem.

Whatever the hell that is.

i towed my rig in to work and it turns out the worm gear in the steering box is so worn out i miss a whole turn....

Yeah, you must've failed to mention that your steering box is completely worn out probably from a lack of proper backlash. assgas:

 

[madmax]

Hmmm.......you didn't notice a little wandering in your steering?

im really not sure why i did not notice all the extra play. i use to drive the thing everday till 2 months ago. i could cuz at 65 on the highway with no problems. its really straing, the worm gear in fine in the middle range and worn out as you get to the stops. it makes no sence to me. it would make sence if it was the other way around. i did track down a waggy pitman arm and ill buy a durago box this weekend. that show fit all this bull shit

!!!1

 

[Goatman]

Glad you found the problem.