some thoughts about the elections

XJZ said:
Go Bush!! :patriot:

If they have it their way, the damn Democrats will turn every forest into a National Park.

I know I CANNOT afford to keep the lazy SOB'S that cheat the welfare system going strong.

BUT, George REALLY needs to do something about illegal imigration... :tear:
 
Yeah, it sounds a little fruity...doesn't it? Bad example to use when dealing with the very people I'm ranting about. ;) Change it to....ummmm....drug use. Who am I hurting, besides myself, if I elect to take a few bong hits in my own home...not around children or anyone else who didn't want to be there? Same goes for that.

I'd better stop before I get going about the wasted money on the 'war on drugs'. :shhh:
 
red91inWA said:
I know I CANNOT afford to keep the lazy SOB'S that cheat the welfare system going strong.

BUT, George REALLY needs to do something about illegal imigration... :tear:

That is something that goes hand in hand. If you nip the welfare system in the bud, then it would likely make it less appealing for the freeloaders to come in. ;) Our country was based on others coming here in pursuit of prosperity and a life free of oppression. Plenty of people come here legally and make a wonderful living. It's about personal responsibility. Believe it or not, many folks actually take the time to learn the popular language of this country. Some of us have even taken the time to learn THEIR languages in order to communicate with them and make them feel more comfortable. Being selfish is no way to improve everyone's quality of life. :)
 
BrettM said:
...i have to admit i got bored and stopped reading about half-way through...
Not to be a dick but... That's the problem! I know, this is a Jeep board so you can get slack, it's just the type that say that in any situation that are the problem with society, allowing others to steer their lives because of their own laziness.

I agree with much of Ecksjay's post as well, although I'm glad he's way up north, sleep deprived, stoned, gun loving, homosexuals scare me! :D

In seriousness some major reform is needed, and I'm not saying the dem's are better than the rep's, although I'm no fan of Bush (no flames please!). First order of buisness..patriot act!

Sequoia
 
GSequoia said:
Not to be a dick but... That's the problem! I know, this is a Jeep board so you can get slack, it's just the type that say that in any situation that are the problem with society, allowing others to steer their lives because of their own laziness.
:smsoap: I concur.
I agree with much of Ecksjay's post as well, although I'm glad he's way up north, sleep deprived, stoned, gun loving, homosexuals scare me! :D
:kissyou: Oh we'll meet eventually, big boi. :wave:
In seriousness some major reform is needed, and I'm not saying the dem's are better than the rep's, although I'm no fan of Bush (no flames please!). First order of buisness..patriot act!

Sequoia
On that note...I'm going back to bed (sans boyfriend...I'm not like that, contrary to popular belief). :) Quick point: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then the Patriot Act is nothing to worry about." WRONG. All abuse starts somewhere, and this administration has already demonstrated that it's out of control.

Later!
 
ECKSJAY said:
That is something that goes hand in hand. If you nip the welfare system in the bud, then it would likely make it less appealing for the freeloaders to come in. ;) Our country was based on others coming here in pursuit of prosperity and a life free of oppression. Plenty of people come here legally and make a wonderful living. It's about personal responsibility. Believe it or not, many folks actually take the time to learn the popular language of this country. Some of us have even taken the time to learn THEIR languages in order to communicate with them and make them feel more comfortable. Being selfish is no way to improve everyone's quality of life. :)
Yeah but at least 40 yrs ago the checked the people coming in for TB, Hep Type C, and all other sorts of nasty diseases. NOW THEY SAY come on in, no health check required... " oh you just came from asia and have the flu? Don't worry go ahead and COUGH on me. " Our governments 1st priority is our safety. AND THEY DONT GIVE A F 'bout you or me... JUST OUR MONEY.. OH and yes plenty of them do come here legally. So WTF are we letting people have amnisty for when so many had to work 10 - 20 years to get it? It took my wife 11 years to become a citizen, and now our government gives it away inside every box of CAPT. Crunch...
 
y2kxj said:
P.S. liberals are pussies.

Agreed. And for the guy who didn't read the earlier long post: I'll save you the trouble and let you know you can stop right now; from your perspective, this'll be way too much work.

I'd like to clarify my earlier statement about not knowing who I don't want to vote for less. I'm a registered Republican, and voted for Bush in the last election. I stand by that decision, and think it was the right one. But it's also my belief that the last truly great president (party politics aside) we had was Reagan - regardless of political affiliation, it has to be admitted that he was instrumental in keeping the world from basically annihilating itself, no mean feat at the time.

However, in this election I really do not want to vote for Bush. I could care less about the war in Iraq; hell, the Iraqis here that I've talked to expressed regret that their country has been turned into a battlefield, but if it got rid of 30 years of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship they were all for it, and I can support that. No, what I don't like about this administration - plain and simple - is the Patriot Act.

This has probably been the single greatest erosion of our liberties since the Second World War. That a piece of legislation which essentially removes due process in tracking and surveilling Americans could pass with no real understanding in the House or Senate of its impart tells me that a) we've elected the wrong politicians across the board, and b) there is a poor understanding of how to fight terrorism at the same level.

I've lived in countries with a terrorism problem. One of my friends was very nearly killed in a bombing; another one very actually killed. To this day, I still get antsy if I see a bag sitting without an obvious owner. But the no-fly lists, TSA harassment at the airports, and near-creation of secret police has me bloody worried. The 'something's maybe gonna happen, but we don't know what' announcements I keep hearing on the radio don't do jack to combat the issue - but it does tell me that our politicians are afraid to admit the truth: you can't predict where or when these things are going to happen. Maybe if you're lucky and have good intelligence, you can stop them before they do - but wiretapping, the passive monitoring of Internet traffic, and recording movements in and out of even private buildings only serves to raise the noise level of benign movement to signal of actual problems. And at its core, it's unconstitutional. This is what has me upset over the direction America is going in.

John Kerry, the direct alternative, scares the crap out of me. He strikes me as posessing all the goofy incompetence of Jimmy Carter but with rash judgement instead of Carter's let's-just-sit-here-and-hope-it-goes-away ineffectiveness; there's also a touch of spitefulness in him that makes it easy for me to visualise him unravelling four years of economic progress in an attempt to make the Bush administration look bad. The enemy of your enemy isn't necessarily your friend, and I really wish that the chowderheads going to the polls in November could figure this out. Besides, I've actually overheard people saying that they will vote for him, based on what they saw in Michael Moore's 'documentary' (a term I use extremely loosely in this context) Fahreheit 9/11. If you're dumb enough to vote based on a single movie, you really shouldn't.

While I'm on the subject of Michael Moore: f**k that guy. Just thought I'd get it out of the way. Onwards.

America has a number of problems it's facing right now: poor foreign relations, mainly through a weak understanding of how other cultures operate. Even in a non-war context, this is bad: we are the big kid on the block, and like every other big kid on every other block, can either be perceived as a bully, or the kid who comes over and helps that nice old lady pull weeds. Whether or not this perception is deserved - and quite frankly, I don't think it is, but we haven't done much in the gentle persuasion department to prevent it from happening - is another matter, but endemic of the decline in foreign relations in the last 12 years.

Immigration. Here in Southern California, the media no longer refers to illegal immigrants as illegal immigrants. They're now 'undocumented immigrants'. Sorry, but to me an undocumented immigrant is someone who has lost his Green Card. Didn't have one in the first place? Nope, you're illegal and on the next bus / boat / airplane out of here. This argument that illegal immigrants only do jobs that citizens don't want to take is, to me, crap. If you didn't have illegal immigrants doing the jobs, citizens or legal resident aliens would do them. Nature abhors a vacuum; open one up and it'll be filled.

Next stop: education. Good Lord, I can not believe how DUMB kids are these days. Schools used to prepare people to get through life by teaching them relevant skills like how to put a meaningful (not necessarily complex, but meaningful) sentence together, do basic math, and have enough reading comprehension to make it through the newspaper; now it seems like all they do is churn them through regardless of ability. It really scares the hell out of me that people who can barely read, write, communicate, or make change for a ten dollar bill from $9.14 without resorting to a calculator are going to be deciding who runs the country. Maybe this is one case where voter apathy is a good thing.

Speaking of voter apathy, that's a large part of the problem. People have it so damned easy these days that as long as they're clothed, fed, and have somewhere indoors to sleep at night they figure they don't *have* to care. Wrong. Look at the decline in voter turnout from the 1970s to today. Now compare that with all the wacky legislative crap that's invaded our lives since then. When you don't care, you're a doormat. Unfortunately, in this case you're a doormat for the rest of us, too. Thanks for not taking the time off work (for which you may not be docked pay) to go to the polls and make a difference; we all appreciate your non-efforts.

I'll steer clear of the erosion of the first, fourth, second, fifth, and fourteenth amendments except to say that I don't like them one bit. Someone with a non-armchair grounding in Constitutional Law would be better off covering that, anyway.

Grmph. This has ended up being a hell of a lot longer than I intended it to be, but hopefully it's made some sense. I think America is a great thing, but it's turning into something it was never meant to be.
 
ECKSJAY said:
I gave up on trying to sleep because if I do the clowns will eat me.

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Here in Canada we just finished our Federal Election, the Liberals (are like your democrats) have just won another term (they have been in power since 1993), our system of government is like the British, but we are our own country......

Now most of you are our neighbours to the south, we are your largest trading partners, ahead of Japan and Mexico (Mr. Bush did not know this) we also share the largest un-partoled boarder with the US, and enjoy many assets with the US.

It seems that when a Liberal Government and a Democrat Government are in office, the two countries work best together, the US is the world power house and what administration is in power is not only important to the US, its also important to the world, as they effect everyone.

It is true most Canadians do not agree with Mr. Bush or found his policies to be in the best interest of the World or more importantly, good for the US. Here in Canada we do not have decicit, just a debt of $583 Billion comparded that to the US's 7.2 Trillion (thats over 72 Billion Times a Thousand!)

Take interest in thier policies, and do not look to the media for that information, look at the candidates web sites, talk with them and see for yourself, its very important, older people vote, because they feel its thier duty as a citizen, especailly the war vets, they do beleive and take pride in elections and freedoms, Vs the younger generations, who are idealist, and see and beleive in the world on how it should be, not how it is.

Take a moment, and just look at the whole big picture.

Good Luck!

GQ
 
ECKSJAY said:
casm: Hear, hear!

Cheers, thanks... It's nice to know that I'm not the only one feeling like I'm pounding my head off the wall over the upcoming election.
 
Casm & Ecksjay, I agree with your thoughts. But what option is there to rectify the situation? Both candidates being equally poor choices for leading our great nation leaves us with what? The problem lies in having such a polar split between the poeple who get to run this place, Democrat or Republican. I would vote for an independently thinking candidate who does the right thing, regardless of the politics and palm greasing that goes on in the government.
 
I think Bush has made mistakes and I say yeah, he's not perfect, but look at what he was handed. Clinton was a weak president. He stood by and let Saddam laugh at the UN weapons inspectors for 8 yrs, ignore our threats and do what he wanted. That I believe contributred to 9/11. We came across looking like a soft target, which we were and largely still are. We are a soft target because of the liberties and rights we enjoy. Before I get people jumping on me, I am not saying to take them away. Too many have fought and died to win and keep them. They are what makes us America. However, I do think we could stand to toughen up some. All the debate about getting rid of capital punishment is foolish in my opinion. Prisons are soft places where convicts get free cable, a free gym, and eat about as good as our kids eat at the school cafeteria. What do criminals have to fear? Their fear is of each other. Make them fear prison itself. I like the example from Phoenix where the warden has the inmates living in tents in the middle of the desert, wearing pink jumpsuits and pink underwear, working outside under the sun. Make criminals afraid to break the law.
CA wants to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses. Why?! That gives them the ability to come here, get an ID and enjoy many of the benefits others have worked to achieve legally. Why are we working to make it easier for illegal immigrants to cross the desert and get to America safely? There are people who go out to the desert and look for these people, not to haul them in and deport them, but to give them food and water and shelter. If they want to be here, cross legally, and do it right.
Don't take away our liberties but make the punishment for breaking the law tougher.
By the way, I'm voting for Bush as he is taking steps to try to protect us rather than complaining that its impossible to know when the terrorists will strike. Whining won't make the problem go away. I hear a ot of people like to bash our president but they don't actually say anyways to fix the problems.
 
Lawn Cher' said:
Casm & Ecksjay, I agree with your thoughts. But what option is there to rectify the situation? Both candidates being equally poor choices for leading our great nation leaves us with what? The problem lies in having such a polar split between the poeple who get to run this place, Democrat or Republican. I would vote for an independently thinking candidate who does the right thing, regardless of the politics and palm greasing that goes on in the government.

Simply put: Don't vote. The biggest insult to a person is feeling obligated to vote for who is on the ballot. If you don't have a suitable write-in candidate then don't vote presidentially. Hard to shift that paradigm, I know, but don't swing down to the point of the party level who pick the candidate. I'm still very tempted to write in Dean over Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate. I'm not convinced of the LP issues on a National Party level, but love what they've done with my local government. Locally on the small community level they are great, which is where we should be starting anyway. As an example, check out the Free State Project http://www.freestateproject.org/ .

Great article by Fred Reed on Strike-the-root.com about the very voting issue I was talking about. http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/reed/reed8.html
 
You know it's a SAD day when the Democrats have to drag up a 12 year old girl for support, and then have her followed up by a Senator that KILLED a young girl...

With all the deaths in the Kennedy family you know TED made a deal with the devil... thats why he's still here... :eek:
 
"You know it's a SAD day when the Democrats have to drag up a 12 year old girl for support, and then have her followed up by a Senator that KILLED a young girl..."

Yeah, And Laura Bush rammed her boyfriends car in highschool and KILLED him, George, a noted coke head in the 80's, has a few DUI's, and Cheney convicted of at least 2 DUI's.

The Repugs are as bad as the Demoncrats.

I pray for a viable second party. Vote independent

-Copperhead
 
What senator killed a young girl? I never heard bout that? Or Laura Bush...interesting the histories our leaders have...
 
BlackSport96 said:
What senator killed a young girl?
Interesting reading about Jabba the Kennedy: http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm

Not only left her to die in the water, but failed to report it for nine hours afterward, although he had plenty of opportunity to do so.
 
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