Sick People!

[STRYKER]

Chewy for president 2004.

The ELF and the ALF can suck it.

Both Glenn and Chewy.... ! :spin1:

 

[MonsterXJ]

i agree with both sides, but i do not take extremes, yes, i agree that the h2 is an un-envirofriendly social status. but, is my grandma gonna get mugged because she has a fur coat? I mean come on man, a crime is a crime and we have to draw the line somewhere.i dont wanna get beat down in the pizza-hut parking lot for ordering a meat-lovers.

 

[Hunter-LynchburgVa]

around Richmond,Va tires are slashed on a weekly basis. the vechicles targeted are SUV's only.

the thing i dont understand/ agree with is how they are portrayed on the news. if they are using knives shouldnt they be labeled as armed and dangerous? the news portrays them as pranksters, which is not the case because of the agendas they have.


Hunter

 

[Steelerfan]

C’mon people, do you really think that the earth’s oil reserves will last forever? What purpose does it serve to have rich, materialistic people driving 6000 pound SUVs 10~15, 000 miles a year on paved roads? I know, it’s the American Way of Life. Unfortunately, the American Way of Life has become rooted in consumerism. We as a nation are living like there is no tomorrow, consuming the largest share of the world’s resources while at the same time having the largest consumer debt and smallest individual savings rate of any industrialized country. Our administration has chosen to invade and occupy foreign lands in the name of “protecting the American Way of Life”. Have you ever really thought about what this means? There are no WMD’s in Iraq- but there is the world’s second largest oil reserve. If we really were out to rid the world of terrrorists, why don’t we start with Saudi Arabia and the UAE? Most of the September 11th attackers came from those countries. Or better yet- why don’t we just cut off the financing that allows them to exist as anything other than a barren land run by religious ideologues that still don’t consider women as equal to men? Most of their money comes in the form of oil revenues from the USA. A true patriot will trade in that H2 with the American flag stickers plastered all over for a Saturn station wagon. This is one place where Joe Citizen can really put his money where his mouth is.

I do not think this attack by the Earth Liberation Front is sick at all. They attacked the symbol of the wastefulness of the American Way of Life. The Hummer H2- a sheep in wolf’s clothing. Designed to look like the rugged military workhorse, while removing most of it’s off-road capabilities to better coddle the fat, lazy ass of the superficial American yuppie. 20 less H2’s to go around? Who cares! They did it in such a way to avoid harm to people. Nobody was inside the dealer at the time so the firefighters didn’t have to put themselves into jeopardy performing rescues. They left their message and calling card prominently posted, avoiding the “who? and why?” questions that follow such attacks. Their attack got lots of news coverage, which has made a least a few people look to their driveways and reconsider the wisdom of driving a needlessly large and inefficient vehicle. Why is this political attack sick anyways? Way more than 20 cars are vandalized, stolen, stripped and destroyed every night in Southern California, out of simple greed. This appalled reaction is nothing more than a denial of the realization that you are a part of the problem. The Covina attack was an elegantly executed act of monkey wrenching, not a sick, random assault that would have otherwise been dismissed as life in the big city.

I think that there is something wrong with YOU. Destroying some one elses property and you don't think that this buch of criminals is doing some thing wrong? It's criminal and I hope they are caught and put in prison were they belong. And if you think that SUV's are so wrong how come you're posting hewre in the first place? Isn't an XJ classified as an SUV? Why don't you set an example and get a Saturn your self?

 

[Kejtar]

Way more than 20 cars are vandalized, stolen, stripped and destroyed every night in Southern California, out of simple greed. This appalled reaction is nothing more than a denial of the realization that you are a part of the problem. The Covina attack was an elegantly executed act of monkey wrenching, not a sick, random assault that would have otherwise been dismissed as life in the big city.

I just realized something.... you are trying to justify an act of crime, represented in wasteful vandalism by the fact that something else is also happening? It's the same in my book as saying that mass murder is fine because throughout nation people die for various reasons as well.....

There was nothing elegact, it's not monkey wrenching (it's an insult to all wrench and grease monkeys actually to say so) it's pure wastefull, dangerous, highly environmentally unsafe, potentially dangorous to any surrounding buidlings and people as well!!!

Sorry to bring up this quote up again (as it's from one of the original posts) but somehow I missed the meaning of it till someone requoted it and I reread the posts.....

Kejtar

 

[2offroad]

see it goes from the issues (very good thoughts and ideas) to taking potshots a the person.

STICK TO THE ISSUE, VERY GOOD READING THEN.

 

[Steelerfan]

see it goes from the issues (very good thoughts and ideas) to taking potshots a the person.

STICK TO THE ISSUE, VERY GOOD READING THEN.

Sorry can't agree with you. It was a criminal act and he is condoning it. Trying to make it something that it is not. This wasn't a prank or putting a monkey wrench into some thing it was destruction of a lot of very expensive property. There is nothing noble or right about it. I think that he and you would see this very differantly if it were your vehicles that were destroyed.

 

[Kejtar]

Look at what this has potentially started.... a copy cat act:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030903/us_nm/crime_suvs_dc_1

This is bad as it IMHO gets people's minds set against the greenies. As I said before even though I support quite a few greenie ideas, I more then dislike their organizations as they seem to be one minded and selfish in their acts (their way is the right way and there is no room for delibaration)

Kejtar

 

[Ralph]

this thread on any other jeep forum would have turned to crap.

this is why we're the best jeep forum out there.

That's a big 10-4, buddy.

RR3

 

[Rev Den]

Remember these acts next time you bitch about rising insurence rates.

Rev

 

[Jeep Biscuit]

Sick? Actually, the only sicko's are people who think they need a oversized enormous Big.Ugly.Sh!tbox (BUS) to commute back and forth to work.

Want to know what the end result of "I need the capability" mentality will be?

It will be this...... No heavy framed, V8 powered tow rigs will be available for those people who actually have a NEED for them. Why? Because theyll be lightened up and downsized as a result of people using them to commute to work, go to the mall instead of what they were designed for.

 

[Jeep Biscuit]

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[Handlebars]

I think that there is something wrong with YOU. Destroying some one elses property and you don't think that this buch of criminals is doing some thing wrong? It's criminal and I hope they are caught and put in prison were they belong.

May I suggest applying to the Police Academy? You can actually make a difference with a badge. BTW, I didn’t commit any crime.

And if you think that SUV's are so wrong how come you're posting hewre in the first place? Isn't an XJ classified as an SUV? Why don't you set an example and get a Saturn your self?

If you read this whole thread you would have seen what my alternative form of transportation is. It gets better gas mileage than a Saturn too! I bought my Cherokee to take off road, which I have done enough that the unibody is falling apart. How much time do you think the average Hummer H2 will spend off road?

There was nothing elegact, it's not monkey wrenching (it's an insult to all wrench and grease monkeys actually to say so) it's pure wastefull, dangerous, highly environmentally unsafe, potentially dangorous to any surrounding buidlings and people as well!!!

Remi- Read “The Monkey Wrench Gang” by Edward Abbey, you will know what I mean by the term. Any open minded jeeper who loves the Southwest will enjoy it, you will also understand the eco-terrorist’s mindset a little better. Any library will have it... except maybe the ones in Utah.

Once again, let me compliment the environental concern vocalized by the membership of . You guys are making me proud!

 

[Steelerfan]

May I suggest applying to the Police Academy? You can actually make a difference with a badge. BTW, I didn’t commit any crime.

As a matter of fact I used to wear a badge, right were you live. I used to be a Corrections Officer in the Bernalio County Detension Center.

 

[Ralph]

This whole issue revolves around one main point. Do you want the freedom to choose your own vehicle or do you want the government or a bunch of enviro-nazis choosing for you? I get so tired of listening to a bunch of holier-than-thou types trying to tell me what I can or can't or should or shouldn't do.

I hope they catch the perps and they are made to pay for all the damage they caused.

RR3

 

[Steelerfan]

This whole issue revolves around one main point. Do you want the freedom to choose your own vehicle or do you want the government or a bunch of enviro-nazis choosing for you? I get so tired of listening to a bunch of holier-than-thou types trying to tell me what I can or can't or should or shouldn't do.

I hope they catch the perps and they are made to pay for all the damage they caused.

RR3

Your absolutely right Ralph. And to those that say what about when we run out of fossile fuel I say that necessity is the mother of invention and that something can and will be done. That is the American way.

 

[Lupine]

Wow. This is like, two separate threads.

The first would be regarding resources and our ever expanding use of them.

The second is political activism and its effect on public awareness.

Handlebars, I understand that you are concerned about using up petroleum resources due to the fact that the amount of petroleum in existence is finite and driving H2s is wasteful because of their low MPG. There are many other ways to use petroleum products, however, and I would be curious to note which use is most responsible for the increasing rate of depletion of those resources. Without this kind of information, and an understanding of where H2 driving fits in as a use, there is no evidence to support that H2 sales are responsible for the majority of the increase in rate of petroleum depletion.

Now, this is my personal opinion: the idea of free enterprise may be interpreted as similar to an economic analysis of costs and benefits, applicable to behavioral ecology (the marginal value theorem). Simply put, economic decisions (buying a H2 regardless of how much oil it consumes) follow the marginal value theorem of natural ecology. Until the cost of using oil increases with respect to a limited supply, the behavior of purchasing a vehicle that will not provide the same amount of return (efficiency) will continue. That's nature, baby. Humans will not change their ways those ways start affecting their personal resources significantly. It doesn't make us stupid, or foolish, to do so; it's just another indication of humans being subject to behavioral ecology. The funniest part, however, is the fact that ELF people are advocating something that goes against the laws of nature.

Anyway, my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
Lupine

 

[Planetcat]

Regardless of opinion on the arson fire and the "victim", it's a felony crime and the perpetrators should be punished. If you don't like the laws of our country or the freedom for all, move out.