Rant

[lancey3]

Thank you for serving. It takes real men like you to keep this country working. We wouldn't even have this website to bitch and vent on if it wasn't for you. People like you are the epitome of America. I wish I could be as selfless as you. You truely are something to aspire to. Keep your chin up and your morale high, things will look up. Much love to you and your family from Columbus Ohio.

 

[POSJ]

So what you would like is us to defend the country for free? That would make paying bills a little tougher don't you think?

I can google aswell. Average income for the Wisconsin is actually $47,000-$48,000 a year. And for the US it is $47,500. So that would actually be a 24 year E-7, 12 year W-1, or an O-2.

You would like an enlisted man to work for more that 24 years to make what the average American worker makes?

Don't answer that I already see that there is no swaying your opinion and you don't care about those serving our country. Those who don't get to enjoy those freedom's that they are fighting for so that you can enjoy them and tell them how bad they are for doing it. Thanks for your time Ron have a good day.

 

[WB9YZU]

So what you would like is us to defend the country for free? That would make paying bills a little tougher don't you think?

I can google aswell. Average income for the Wisconsin is actually $47,000-$48,000 a year. And for the US it is $47,500. So that would actually be a 24 year E-7, 12 year W-1, or an O-2.

You would like an enlisted man to work for more that 24 years to make what the average American worker makes?

Don't answer that I already see that there is no swaying your opinion and you don't care about those serving our country. Those who don't get to enjoy those freedom's that they are fighting for so that you can enjoy them and tell them how bad they are for doing it. Thanks for your time Ron have a good day.

I often take the oposing view here just to mess with the folks on the far right. No need to get in a tizzy I'm just conversing, but it's nice to see how you play when the conversation isn't all praises.

Just for clarity, I never once have put you down here, or have told you that you are "bad". What I did tell you was to put aside this attitude you are showing now, and to get along with the locals. They will get used to you and visa versa. You are not special to them, you are just another stanger. That seems to upset you, but it is what it is.

As for the pay gig. That used to be the case. We at one time had a volunteer army. It was a Service, and when the conflict was over, everyone went back to their farms or factories or whatever.

My point was that this is a Job. You were not conscripted. You saw a recuiter, likely picked your choice of service and jobs and signed up (least that's how it was back in 1979). And though not lucrative in money, the job is lucrative in training, Training that you recieve hopefully will used beyond your stint. There are many, many jobs in the Service that have civilian equivalants. That training is relatively free. It's called paying your dues. If you like it, then stay, but realize that it will never pay real good compared to a civilian job of the same equivalancy. If you do decide to try for a civilian position, your training and your time invested will move you toward the top of the resume' stack.

The average WI household income (both working) may be around $47K but the personal income is around $30K. We have whole counties that the average household income level is below the poverty level. Your Job would look mighty juicy to most of those folks.

No, I'm not going to :worship: you like the other folks here, but that hardly means I don't care. If you were serving in Iraq I'd be much more concerned, but you're not. Your biggest compaints seem to be the attitude of the locals, which may be a relection of yours, and your lack of outstanding pay. You have it good, relax and enjoy the ride.

Ron

 

[kunaji]

And though not lucrative in money, the job is lucrative in training, Training that you recieve hopefully will used beyond your stint. There are many, many jobs in the Service that have civilian equivalants. That training is relatively free. It's called paying your dues. If you like it, then stay, but realize that it will never pay real good compared to a civilian job of the same equivalancy. If you do decide to try for a civilian position, your training and your time invested will move you toward the top of the resume' stack.

So that volunteer firefighter gets no training? They just show up to the fire and know how to keep it from spreading and extinguish it? They can't put it on a resume?

What is the civilian counterpart to the infantryman? How about the artilleryman? I've also yet to see a help wanted sign for a scout. I'm a construction engineer and I'm working on getting into the communications field. A lot of good being trained to build things is when you are competeing against people who are trained to do communications. The 5-point veteran's preference sure is nice though.

I think you're just jealous Ron. That, and enjoy being contradictory. You ain't this ornery in person!

 

[POSJ]

I never said you had to praise me or the military Ron, and I never put you down either. None of my posts were disrespectful in any way. I never once complained about the pay and benefits. Don't start pointing fingers. You can take whichever stance you would like and as I said in the very first post. You can reply negatively or positively. The night that brought this up was: My wife and I were out with some of her co-workers. She is a civilian and works at an optical store. She had a some what manditory dinner and drinks party for having top sales in the company for a three day sale they staged. We went out and had a good time talking to them and had a couple drinks. Then we started to get singled out of the group as "basers". I'm not going to go into details since they are not important. But when you are out with a group of people that are suppose to be friends/co-workers you shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable around them because of your occupation. We left the place we had drinks at and went to a bar with them trying to put it past us. Then there were more comments made as to how the base ruined this town because the "basers" come and start being loud and having a good time. They then said it use to be a college bar that was a lot more fun. Last time I checked college students aren't usually known for their judgement and being quiet when they go out to the bars. We got tired of being put down and soon after left.

 

[Gil BullyKatz]

I'm having a bitch of a time finding a help wanted for a retired infantryman with airborne and air assault wings...

well...


except for Blackwater!

 

[WI88XJ]

Rev

Not all of us are like that up here in the land of the left and Ingratitude. I've got many members of my family that have done their time in the service because that's what they felt was necessary. I am grateful for their service. I am grateful to all those who 'took the job' of battling for this country. It's nice to live in a country that allows everyone the right to express their opinion without repercussion , even if it's ignorant.

 

[stewie]

why not minot? freezin's the reason. i am very thankful that i never got stationed there as a Security Forces troop. even in utah, i realized that not everyone there likes us or understands what we do and for what reasons.

i now know what it is like both in the military and in the civilian world. to be totaly honest, i like being a civie better for the fact that i can tell my boss to take what ever job and shove it. yes, paying the bills may be a little tougher on the outside, but the abiliity to change vocations at will is priceless.

from one Vet to another, Thank you for what you and our brothers and sisters are doing.:us:

 

[WB9YZU]

I never said you had to praise me or the military Ron, and I never put you down either. None of my posts were disrespectful in any way. I never once complained about the pay and benefits. Don't start pointing fingers. You can take whichever stance you would like and as I said in the very first post. You can reply negatively or positively. The night that brought this up was: My wife and I were out with some of her co-workers. She is a civilian and works at an optical store. She had a some what manditory dinner and drinks party for having top sales in the company for a three day sale they staged. We went out and had a good time talking to them and had a couple drinks. Then we started to get singled out of the group as "basers". I'm not going to go into details since they are not important. But when you are out with a group of people that are suppose to be friends/co-workers you shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable around them because of your occupation. We left the place we had drinks at and went to a bar with them trying to put it past us. Then there were more comments made as to how the base ruined this town because the "basers" come and start being loud and having a good time. They then said it use to be a college bar that was a lot more fun. Last time I checked college students aren't usually known for their judgement and being quiet when they go out to the bars. We got tired of being put down and soon after left.

Agreed, just conversing.

I would have been just as uncomfortable in that situation.

People do that sort of thing most anywhere and for most any reason and the drinks probably didn't help either.

Social outings with the Wifes co-workers, when they have them, go pretty much the same way. As Her co-workers all have a BS or better in some degree or other, when they find out I "only" have a Associate Degree, some make the night difficult by trying and make me feel small. As I am the odd man out, I expect it and let it ride.

The most uncomfortable I have ever felt in a community was in Sioux Falls, SD. Everyone seemed rude, and then I got to my service call at the local Shopko. I expected to be greated with some courtesy as I was there to help them. Instead I found that everyone from the Store Manager to the person mopping the floor was extremely anti-social (by Wisconsin standards).

Ron

 

[WB9YZU]

So that volunteer firefighter gets no training? They just show up to the fire and know how to keep it from spreading and extinguish it? They can't put it on a resume?

What is the civilian counterpart to the infantryman? How about the artilleryman? I've also yet to see a help wanted sign for a scout. I'm a construction engineer and I'm working on getting into the communications field. A lot of good being trained to build things is when you are competeing against people who are trained to do communications. The 5-point veteran's preference sure is nice though.

I think you're just jealous Ron. That, and enjoy being contradictory. You ain't this ornery in person!

I don't get the point you were trying to make with the Volunteer FF. I know many of Volunteer FFs, they get good training, and do indeed put it on their resume'.

Weapons system training and personal combat skills are always in demand in the Police, Jail, and Swat jobs. Constuction Engineers are in demand, though if you want to cross over to a communications job, you may need different training.

Sure, I enjoy being contrary sometimes, who doesn't? :scottm:

I have things happening in my personal life right now that are weighing on my mind, so I might be acting out a bit. Sorry.

Ron

 

[fxdlrider]

Tyler, first off, let me extend my condolences on getting stationed in Minot. I do not envy you to say the least. Consider this from a 16 yr vet of AF and Army, civilans will never know what it means. Comraderie is just a word in the dictonary to them. Service before self, excellence in all we do are just phrases, while to us it is a way of life. Every time I stand for the national anthem, it is more than just a song. If you have watched Saving Private Ryan, I have walked down the same sidewalk in the American National Cemetery that Tom Hanks did in Normandie France. I've stood next to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and looked off of Point DuHoc. I've smelled the oil still seeping from the USS Arizona, and slept in building rittled with bullets from japense aircraft. These are NOT tourist destinations. Men have died here for the same reasons we serve. These are reminders of why I have chosen some type of military service my entire adult life, and will continue to do so until they say I am too old. I pitty the civilans like zuki-ron who will never know what it means to serve something greater than themselves. You let them flap their jaws and say what they will, but you and I know they havn't got a clue.