Boatwrench
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Quran, Koran, Muslim book burning in FL
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I joined the US Army to protect the freedoms defined in the constitution.
I went to Iraq and fought those who opposed those freedoms in that country.
The men I fought happened to be Muslim but this is an irrelevant fact.
The people I was fighting for were also Muslim.
Do you want the taliban to win in Afgahnistan?
Please publish these idiots burning the Quran and make this a "Holy war"
Give them the publicity they need to recruit.
Instill anger of Americans in EVERY Muslim.
Give average muslims something to relate to the Taliban over.
Get my brothers in the Military killed...
Sadly I fought for peoples right to be stupid in public.
I blame the media more than the idiots as they will publicize this as much as they can to make a buck.
I went to Iraq and fought those who opposed those freedoms in that country.
The men I fought happened to be Muslim but this is an irrelevant fact.
The people I was fighting for were also Muslim.
Do you want the taliban to win in Afgahnistan?
Please publish these idiots burning the Quran and make this a "Holy war"
Give them the publicity they need to recruit.
Instill anger of Americans in EVERY Muslim.
Give average muslims something to relate to the Taliban over.
Get my brothers in the Military killed...
Sadly I fought for peoples right to be stupid in public.
I blame the media more than the idiots as they will publicize this as much as they can to make a buck.
hubs97xj
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This. Fringe retards like this "pastor" and his little cult shouldn't be given this much publicity.
*hatred
joe_peters
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Stupid is as stupid does.
Freedom of speech--freedom of expression--is a two-edged sword.
Like the Taliban dynamiting those ancient Buddhist carvings: http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm
Karma is a B*tch, and looks like she is coming back around.
Taliban > :rattle:
Freedom of speech--freedom of expression--is a two-edged sword.
Like the Taliban dynamiting those ancient Buddhist carvings: http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm
Karma is a B*tch, and looks like she is coming back around.
Taliban > :rattle:
How do you figure? This will not hurt the Taliban in anyway. It will help them.
Their goal has always been to make this a religious war.
bjoehandley
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Yea, which could in some way come back to bite this preacher and his flock in their collective asses, hopefully it won't cost them the lives of anybody in their flock, but considering the beehive they're poking............................
Boatwrench
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This has always been a religious war, Americans don't seem to grasp that fact.
No it's not, that's what the Taliban has been trying to sell.
We will be in a bad way if the Muslim people buy it.
joe_peters
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Wrong.
It IS a religious war, same as the Muslims killing Jews and the Jews killing Muslims--religion. Religious hatred, just that plain and simple.
No, not all Muslims are willing to pick up arms and kill people just because of their religion. Same for Jews. Same for Christians. Same for Hindus. But there are always SOME that will. Hell, in Northern Ireland its Catholic Christians killing Protestant Christians--religion.
5-90
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If it's not a religious war, why is one of the more aggressive groups called Islamid Jihad?
If it's not a religious war, why is it mostly being egged on by imams? (An imam is an Islamic religious leader - somewhere between a priest and a bishop?)
If it's not a religious war, why are all of these groups trying to impose Sharia Law?
I'm sure I could go on with a little thought - but there are three counterexamples to your position. Counterargument?
Welp lets see here one key component to each of your points is "Groups"
And it will continue to be "groups" until some idiot holds a anti Muslim event at a christian church.
The Muslims will see this attack on their religion by the "Christian Americans" and support these "groups"
Muslims will kill their grandma if they think it's for their god.
when these "groups" gain control of the general Muslim population we've just expanded our war and added some fronts.
And it will continue to be "groups" until some idiot holds a anti Muslim event at a christian church.
The Muslims will see this attack on their religion by the "Christian Americans" and support these "groups"
Muslims will kill their grandma if they think it's for their god.
when these "groups" gain control of the general Muslim population we've just expanded our war and added some fronts.
One word "fanatics".
Every organization has them. Fanatics often hijack/ misrepresent organizations. The Taliban hijacked Islam. Pastor Terry Jones hijacked the Christian faith with his merry band of -- only -- 50 followers.
5-90
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Perhaps. But, as irritating as Phelps and his ilk (or this new Terry Jones yo-yo...) they are not violent. They're irritating, and about as wecome to the rest of Christendom as a bad case of sabretoothed crotch crickets, and I'm sure that pretty much everyone would like to see them dry up and blow away - and that is exactly what would happen if the media would stop covering them! - but they're not going around blowing up buildings, killing people, or trying to take over whole countries.
I have intentionally left out the bombers of abortion clinics and the murderers of the physicians who work therefor - they have commonly been individuals, and not groups.
But, when you get a significant subset of a given population that is trying to wage a war based on their religious principles, and are egged on by their religious leaders - well, sounds like a religious war to me.
And more people have been killed in the name of God (however it's pronounced) than in any other cause in history. I specifically include the Holocaust in that - Jews were subjugated and their extermination attempted because of their religion. As were Christians (about three Christians for every two Jews was, I believe, the ratio there.)
The Crusades? The war may have been initiated by population pressures and resource conflicts of the time, but religion was used to keep them going.
The Inquisition? Brr...
Northern Ireland? Irish Catholics fighting Irish and British Protestants? And that's been going on for about as long as Protestants have been around... Irish Catholics also protest the Church of England - which was started even earlier because a king wanted to be able to get a divorce...
And now, radical Islam. Jihad is the word they use to describe their conflict, and it means "Holy War" or "Holy Struggle." Their enemies are infidels - which roughly means "blasphemer" or "non-believer" (varies depending on context.) And their foot soldiers believe that blowing themselves up to murder us will get them sent straight to the "Right hand of Allah" - so I think you'd be hard pressed to refute this as a religious conflict.
Now that we've got a Christian "spiritual leader" jumping into this fray, I honestly think we haven't seen anything yet. Perhaps it will remain sub-groups of Islam that we're fighting - but I worry that you are right.
And, the fact that it has been (to date) various sub-groups of Islam does not RPT NOT change the fact that this is motivated primarily by religion. Hell, the Shi'ite and Sun'ni Muslims have been fighting each other for four or five hundred years - and the differences are subtle enough that an outsider would have to spend significant effort studying the both of them to find them...
MrShaft696
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Its a shame it a group of like 40 or 50 idots, getting all this attention, a bunch of the idiots already backed out.
Perhaps they haven't been given the opportunity to be violent. The remainder of your response gives many examples how small groups of Christians misused their faith to justify violent actions.
hmmm. it sounds like you know, for a fact, that 51% of Muslims are eager to wage religious war against Christians. Cite your source please.
Hitler was a hypocrite considering he was of Jewish and African descent. Hitler was also obsessed with Darwin's theories, but that doesn't mean other folks that believe in the theory of evolution share any empathy for his eugenics programs.
Religion was misused as a wedge issue for financial gains.
Same.
Same.
They're fanatics. I believe I addressed that issue.
Me being right about fanatics is a good thing. It means that we're dealing with a small portion of fanatics opposed to a population of 2billion Muslims. That also means those 2billion Muslims can be our allies to fight the fringe groups who misuse their religion.
And the difference between Protestant and Catholic is....... ummmm..... something subtle too.
Anyways, I think Religion isn't the issue here whatsoever. I think the real issue's whose using Religion as a scapegoat for something crazy or selfish, and to what ends.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/09/florida.quran.reactions/
A hard-line Indonesian Muslim group, the Islamic Defenders Front, told CNN it will protest the planned burning and will issue a death sentence on Rev. Terry Jones if he carries out his plan. "This is not a problem between Muslims and Christians but rather between Terry Jones and mankind," said Sabri Lubis, a secretary general with the group.
A death sentence is a bit far but at least this group of hard liners are blaming the right guy.
Seems like all the usual suspects are calling for all the usual retribution. The sane, logical Muslims are saying "you are an idiot and should probably not do that, you're screwing up inter-faith harmony and probably bringing a world of hurt on yourselves from all the nutbags on our side..." while the hardliners are saying "we gonna kill your ass" and the nutbags are just going DEATH TO CHRISTIANS, DEATH TO THE WEST as usual.
Sadly this stupidity is protected by the first amendment.
I almost hope they burn American flags in protest, it would do a great job of highlighting the hypocrisy of everyone involved.
A hard-line Indonesian Muslim group, the Islamic Defenders Front, told CNN it will protest the planned burning and will issue a death sentence on Rev. Terry Jones if he carries out his plan. "This is not a problem between Muslims and Christians but rather between Terry Jones and mankind," said Sabri Lubis, a secretary general with the group.
A death sentence is a bit far but at least this group of hard liners are blaming the right guy.
Seems like all the usual suspects are calling for all the usual retribution. The sane, logical Muslims are saying "you are an idiot and should probably not do that, you're screwing up inter-faith harmony and probably bringing a world of hurt on yourselves from all the nutbags on our side..." while the hardliners are saying "we gonna kill your ass" and the nutbags are just going DEATH TO CHRISTIANS, DEATH TO THE WEST as usual.
Sadly this stupidity is protected by the first amendment.
I almost hope they burn American flags in protest, it would do a great job of highlighting the hypocrisy of everyone involved.
Darky
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This is a one-sided religious war. The terrorists we are dealing with are Islamic. They have declared a jihad, a holy war. They fight for Islam. They attacked us for Islam. We may not be pursuing this as a religious thing, but that doesn't take away that they are. The Muslims who don't support this jihad are just as much a target as we are.
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