Boatwrench
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I blame the media more than the idiots as they will publicize this as much as they can to make a buck.
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Karma is a B*tch, and looks like she is coming back around.
This has always been a religious war, Americans don't seem to grasp that fact.
No it's not, that's what the Taliban has been trying to sell.
We will be in a bad way if the Muslim people buy it.
No it's not, that's what the Taliban has been trying to sell.
We will be in a bad way if the Muslim people buy it.
If it's not a religious war, why is one of the more aggressive groups called Islamid Jihad?
If it's not a religious war, why is it mostly being egged on by imams? (An imam is an Islamic religious leader - somewhere between a priest and a bishop?)
If it's not a religious war, why are all of these groups trying to impose Sharia Law?
I'm sure I could go on with a little thought - but there are three counterexamples to your position. Counterargument?
One word "fanatics".
Every organization has them. Fanatics often hijack/ misrepresent organizations. The Taliban hijacked Islam. Pastor Terry Jones hijacked the Christian faith with his merry band of -- only -- 50 followers.
Perhaps they haven't been given the opportunity to be violent. The remainder of your response gives many examples how small groups of Christians misused their faith to justify violent actions.Perhaps. But, as irritating as Phelps and his ilk (or this new Terry Jones yo-yo...) they are not violent. They're irritating, and about as wecome to the rest of Christendom as a bad case of sabretoothed crotch crickets, and I'm sure that pretty much everyone would like to see them dry up and blow away - and that is exactly what would happen if the media would stop covering them! - but they're not going around blowing up buildings, killing people, or trying to take over whole countries.
hmmm. it sounds like you know, for a fact, that 51% of Muslims are eager to wage religious war against Christians. Cite your source please.I have intentionally left out the bombers of abortion clinics and the murderers of the physicians who work therefor - they have commonly been individuals, and not groups.
But, when you get a significant subset of a given population that is trying to wage a war based on their religious principles, and are egged on by their religious leaders - well, sounds like a religious war to me.
Hitler was a hypocrite considering he was of Jewish and African descent. Hitler was also obsessed with Darwin's theories, but that doesn't mean other folks that believe in the theory of evolution share any empathy for his eugenics programs.And more people have been killed in the name of God (however it's pronounced) than in any other cause in history. I specifically include the Holocaust in that - Jews were subjugated and their extermination attempted because of their religion. As were Christians (about three Christians for every two Jews was, I believe, the ratio there.)
Religion was misused as a wedge issue for financial gains.The Crusades? The war may have been initiated by population pressures and resource conflicts of the time, but religion was used to keep them going.
Same.The Inquisition? Brr...
Same.Northern Ireland? Irish Catholics fighting Irish and British Protestants? And that's been going on for about as long as Protestants have been around... Irish Catholics also protest the Church of England - which was started even earlier because a king wanted to be able to get a divorce...
They're fanatics. I believe I addressed that issue.And now, radical Islam. Jihad is the word they use to describe their conflict, and it means "Holy War" or "Holy Struggle." Their enemies are infidels - which roughly means "blasphemer" or "non-believer" (varies depending on context.) And their foot soldiers believe that blowing themselves up to murder us will get them sent straight to the "Right hand of Allah" - so I think you'd be hard pressed to refute this as a religious conflict.
Me being right about fanatics is a good thing. It means that we're dealing with a small portion of fanatics opposed to a population of 2billion Muslims. That also means those 2billion Muslims can be our allies to fight the fringe groups who misuse their religion.Now that we've got a Christian "spiritual leader" jumping into this fray, I honestly think we haven't seen anything yet. Perhaps it will remain sub-groups of Islam that we're fighting - but I worry that you are right.
And the difference between Protestant and Catholic is....... ummmm..... something subtle too.And, the fact that it has been (to date) various sub-groups of Islam does not RPT NOT change the fact that this is motivated primarily by religion. Hell, the Shi'ite and Sun'ni Muslims have been fighting each other for four or five hundred years - and the differences are subtle enough that an outsider would have to spend significant effort studying the both of them to find them...
I almost hope they burn American flags in protest, it would do a great job of highlighting the hypocrisy of everyone involved.