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[GSequoia]

I never knew this but this thread got me reading last night and Dalmatians can be aggressive as well but not because of their genetics but because here in the U.S. the demand is so high that breeders have inbred them and they have become retarded.

Do you think that's not one of the main contributors to many of the Pit Bull / Chow attacks out there?


My family used to have a Newfoundland mix dog (mostly Newfie, but unknown other). He was a great dog, very loving and adored children. At about ten years of age he suddenly snapped and almost killed a small girl. He was well cared for and disciplined and had never shown any aggressive tendencies (both toward people and other animals) in the past. Something in his brain just went *pop*. That can happen with any dog that is over bred (on closer examination there were black spots on his tongue, that supposedly is a bad mark in a chow, how true that is I do not know.)

 

[riverfever]

That's the first I've heard of the black spots on the tongue Sequoia. Interesting.

I just want to say how thrilled I am with how this discussion has gone. It's been enjoyable and civil I think. I've lurked on other boards where this very topic always leads to talk of genocide by people that strike me as being complete jackholes.

Here's something I was thinking about yesterday as I ran errands and I was curious as to what you all thought. I had to stop at Petsmart and pick up a few things for my dogs and as I pulled up I noticed there was a Greyhound adoption organization there with a shatpotfull of dogs. You know where I'm going. IMO...it's completely irresponsible to bring dogs into this world with the intent of fighting them for as long as they produce. Most of the softkawks that are fighting their dogs just kill them or abandon them somewhere when they stop producing. Yet there's obviously a large number of Greyhounds that need adopting because they are no longer able to produce on the track and yet this is more socially acceptable? I'm not saying it is...I've just never thought about it or researched it to see what the consensus is. Sure...pits have a history of being more problematic and they will cause more damage in an altercation with a dog or human. Sounds like we all agree on that and I've never denied that. How do you all feel about the Greyhound situation? With my ignorance, am I way out in left field? Is the difference the fighting? Maybe this is apples to oranges? I work with a guy that just adopted a GH for his family at Christmas and he went on and on about how good a deed it was. yet when my co-workers find out I have two "pits" I get looks of concern. Do you think society feels sorry for the GH but views the pit as a savage beast? Discuss.

 

[GSequoia]

That's the first I've heard of the black spots on the tongue Sequoia. Interesting.

You might look into that some more, like I said I don't know how valid it is or if it's just an old wives tale.

I just want to say how thrilled I am with how this discussion has gone. It's been enjoyable and civil I think. I've lurked on other boards where this very topic always leads to talk of genocide by people that strike me as being complete jackholes.

I've always found it ironic when personal responsibility loving, gun rights demanding folks yell about how pits should be banned

How do you all feel about the Greyhound situation?

There is a good chance when I get a dog it'd be an adopted Greyhound. The only thing against it is I feel it is cruel to adopt a Greyhound if you are not able to give it good runs frequently.

PS - You're about fifteen years late here. The Greyhound issue was covered when Santa's Little Helper was introduced in the Simpsons (He was a track dog)

 

[riverfever]

That's a real good point about gun enthusiasts. I'll put that on the back burner for the next one of them speaks out on this topic. Should be real soon here on one forum.

 

[wolfpackjeeper]

we had a border collie that was a great dog. Smarter than a lot of people I know, and that is not an exaggeration. The line from Jurassic Park where the guide is talking about the VR figuring stuff out describes him to a T. But as he got older the same thing happened as to Seqouia, He went Neurotic. Started getting really aggressive over a short span. We ended up having to put him down, too many small kids in the area.

 

[Coastie]

Originally Posted by riverfever
That's the first I've heard of the black spots on the tongue Sequoia. Interesting.

A kid that lived a few miles from me as a child had a Chow/Lab mix and I it had a black tongue, I don't recall if it was spotted though.

PS - You're about fifteen years late here. The Greyhound issue was covered when Santa's Little Helper was introduced in the Simpsons (He was a track dog)

See my vest....

Do you think society feels sorry for the GH but views the pit as a savage beast? Discuss.

I can understand why people could put more effort into saving abandoned Grey Hounds rather than a Pit. I would think people would be more willing to help a orphan than a convicted killer. I think it's in our basic nature to avoid things that could harm us and well we have already been over the whole Pits are killers thing. Haha :eyes:

 

[Darky]

Chows are aggressive too IIRC they were bred as guard dogs in China.

I never knew this but this thread got me reading last night and Dalmatians can be aggressive as well but not because of their genetics but because here in the U.S. the demand is so high that breeders have inbred them and they have become retarded. This could be avoided with a reputable breeder though.

I can understand why people could put more effort into saving abandoned Grey Hounds rather than a Pit. I would think people would be more willing to help a orphan than a convicted killer. I think it's in our basic nature to avoid things that could harm us and well we have already been over the whole Pits are killers thing. Haha

Dalmatians were actually bred to be somewhat aggressive. They were guard/working dogs for the firemen. I think they also guarded the Anheuser Busch beer wagons...

The second part, would be more like adopting a sweet-looking teenager vs an athletic teenager about whom you've heard rumors of violence.

 

[8Mud]

Dalmatians and Weimaraners, are the same dog, with a different coat and different colored eyes. Originally breed as a hunter and personal protection dog. The Weimaramers are favored by Forestry workers. In Germany it is actually one of the few dual purpose dogs.
Dalmatians have it in there genes to be man sharp. It's not retarded and not entirely undesirable for them to key on people. It's by design and breeding.
Airedales are actually military, guard and personal protection dogs. People forget, what the original breeding program actually was.
Dog breeds almost have to breed fairly true, to last for more than a few generations.
It's difficult to breed recessives and eventually have a dog that breeds true. They aren't robots, some traits are going to be a little stronger than others, but the basic model is fairly consistant, in traits and tendencies.
Cocker Spaniels are actually the leader in human bites and Hospital visits.
IMO the problem with many of the fighting dogs is lack of foresight and people screwing with the breeding.
When I was growing up (40's and 50's), Staffordshires and Pitts were fairly common and at least in my neck of the woods weren't fenced or controlled in any way. Fighting dog attacks on humans, were unheard of, just not the nature of the beast.
Dobermans, Shepards, Rottweiler, Chows and a few others were known for periodic serious human attacks.
Saint Bernards, were for decades, the leader in human fatal attacks.

Here's a picture of my Pig Dogs from many years ago. The one on the left is a Czech Pig dog, cross between a Beagle and a Rotwieler (the stupidest most aggressive, single minded beast on the planet). Though he had like Zero interest in other dogs, he'd eat an adult human or any animal he could catch, he never bite a child or showed any aggression to a human before puberty. I asked a breeder why he was the way he was (the breeder had a female that was almost exactly the same) and he said, a dog has to be slightly nuts to go into a thicket after a pack of pigs. He was a rescue from Dope sniffing school, somebodies bright idea gone way wrong. The other was my runner, she could care less about people or other dogs, she lived to chase rabbits, deer or Pigs.

 

[IXNAYXJ]

I recently got worked over by a Pit Bull.










































































He helped install an ARB locker:

His ears weren't cropped for fighting, that's so he can get in the axle housing and make sure it's true:

Sweetest dog in the world, and can do an on-command Chewbaca impression that's amazing.

-----Matt-----

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

After reading this I think my next dog will be a pit. I think they're beautiful animals. A buddy of mine just picked one up yesterday, so that adds to my competitive nature lol.

As far as the Chow with the black tongue, I'd have to agree. I was bitten by one as a kid. The bastard left his yard, about 50yds away to "come get me".

I've also heard about the Dalmatians being a problem. I have no experience to back that though.

Just like the "muscle" dog in the pic I posted, cross breeding can have negative effects which cause a lot of the problems I/we hear about. That as well as poor training and abusive history.

Good thread, good read.

 

[ECKSJAY]

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

Gawd dammit, where's the "fawk you" smiley

 

[Steve_Moore]

When I lived in St. Joe, I would frquent the Animal Shelter to "look around" . That's not a good thing to me since I tend to bring them home if I feel like it... Anyway, this guy came in with a Chow to give to the shelter saying it was "too mean". The dog seemed really nice and I petted it and hated to see it go to the pound. I ebded up taking the dog home. When I got there, the damn thing wouldn't get outta the car! I tried to get it out with some food, but it just wanted to bite me! I finally left the door open and after about an hour it got out and left.

I'm sure Animal Control was thrilled to find the same dog I just picked up wondering around withn a chain on.:eeks1:

Chows I've seen are mean. I've seen a few more than that, but that one sticks out...lol.

 

[8Mud]

My Nanny, until I was about 4 years old was a Chow. I remember before I could walk, she would drag me out of the Rose bushes and put me back on my blanket. The meter reader came in the back gate one day to read the electric and gas meter, the dog almost killed him.
The dog was trained to pull a wagon (miniature prairie schooner), hooked up just like a horse. The wagon was big enough for three kids and groceries for a week.
I still remember that giant black tongue washing my face.

 

[srimes]

I grew up w/ a chow and chow mix across the street, both were fine dogs that were always left roaming and never caused problems. The chow mix was best friend with my dog and would come wait by my front door asking for my dog to be let out to play.

From what I've read the only dogs with black/blue tongs are chow and shar pei. The shar pei was an all purpose farm/guard dog and was bread for the scowling face. The chow is closely related but used for work pulling carts and for meat. I guess when the neighbors are likely to eat you you develop a distrust of strangers.

I've got a mutt that's either shar pei or chow mix, I'm guess shar pei. Mostly blue tounge. He showed up on our doorstep as a little pup with a broken leg. He was quite fearful of men and tried to bite me severl times. Now he's very sweet and loving but we watch him closely because of his history and breed. I think he has PTSD.

 

[Coastie]

Dalmatians and Weimaraners, are the same dog, with a different coat and different colored eyes. Originally breed as a hunter and personal protection dog. The Weimaramers are favored by Forestry workers. In Germany it is actually one of the few dual purpose dogs.
Dalmatians have it in there genes to be man sharp. It's not retarded and not entirely undesirable for them to key on people. It's by design and breeding.
Airedales are actually military, guard and personal protection dogs. People forget, what the original breeding program actually was.
Dog breeds almost have to breed fairly true, to last for more than a few generations.
It's difficult to breed recessives and eventually have a dog that breeds true. They aren't robots, some traits are going to be a little stronger than others, but the basic model is fairly consistant, in traits and tendencies.
Cocker Spaniels are actually the leader in human bites and Hospital visits.
IMO the problem with many of the fighting dogs is lack of foresight and people screwing with the breeding.
When I was growing up (40's and 50's), Staffordshires and Pitts were fairly common and at least in my neck of the woods weren't fenced or controlled in any way. Fighting dog attacks on humans, were unheard of, just not the nature of the beast.
Dobermans, Shepards, Rottweiler, Chows and a few others were known for periodic serious human attacks.
Saint Bernards, were for decades, the leader in human fatal attacks.

Did you read all this somewhere? I would like to see this source(s), seems very interesting!

After reading this I think my next dog will be a pit. I think they're beautiful animals. A buddy of mine just picked one up yesterday, so that adds to my competitive nature lol.

I wish I could have a Blue Heeler.

 

[8Mud]

I grew up w/ a chow and chow mix across the street, both were fine dogs that were always left roaming and never caused problems. The chow mix was best friend with my dog and would come wait by my front door asking for my dog to be let out to play.

From what I've read the only dogs with black/blue tongs are chow and shar pei. The shar pei was an all purpose farm/guard dog and was bread for the scowling face. The chow is closely related but used for work pulling carts and for meat. I guess when the neighbors are likely to eat you you develop a distrust of strangers.

I've got a mutt that's either shar pei or chow mix, I'm guess shar pei. Mostly blue tounge. He showed up on our doorstep as a little pup with a broken leg. He was quite fearful of men and tried to bite me severl times. Now he's very sweet and loving but we watch him closely because of his history and breed. I think he has PTSD.

I don't really know what set her off that day, she would usually growl and confront someone, but rarely bite anybody that I can remember. The guy was whistling a tune pretty loudly, slammed the back gate open and was five or six steps in the yard when the dog hit him. She opened up his Femoral artery and he almost bleed to death. She was actually pretty laid back and rarley if ever ran anyplace.

 

[8Mud]

I wish I could have a Blue Heeler.

I'm thinking about a regular old Black and Tan Coonhound.

 

[8Mud]

Did you read all this somewhere? I would like to see this source(s), seems very interesting!



I wish I could have a Blue Heeler.

There was a series of articles on it awhile back, during the beginning of the dog genome project. A lot of conflicting results in the beginning, but most all of the results, place the Dalmatian and Weimaraner right next to each other in the dog family tree.
I don't remember the sources (it was multiple sources though), I'd planned on doing the research again when the project was farther along and the results more definite.
If you stand a typical Weimaraner and a Dalmatian side by side, you can really see it. Right down to the texture of the fur, the thickness of the skin, shape of the skull. Weimaraners tend to be a little heavier in general, but not much.
I have three terabyte hard drives full of stuff now, you can't keep everything. Some I'll likely never access again in this lifetime.
I'm big on statistics in general, dog bite statistics were a passing fancy, the unusual results stuck in the old gray matter. Sometimes statistics is the only way to try and separate, pre conceptions from reality. Though statistics can be massaged and often are.

 

[JeepAddict85]

This thread makes me miss my old dogs. I grew up with 2 toy poodles...and no, they didnt have the ridiculous haircuts. Although when their hair got long they did look like miniature wooly mammoths haha. Very intelligent dogs, and very nice. They also prevented a robbery while my family and i were out to eat. Someone kicked in a window, trying to break in, and they barked so much/created a ton of noise, they scared him off.

My neighbor used to have a Rottweiler, awesome dog. His name was Cruncher...because thats what he would do to everything he chewed on. his favorite toy was a sledge hammer. He could knaw the entire wooden handle off in a day. Very nice, never bit anyone, and they had no need to fence him in. He would come over an visit me as i did yard work.