Pitbull eats S2000

riverfever said:
Coastie...there's thousands of ignorant people in the world. It doesn't bother me at all that you're one of them. Hell...it's job security for me man.

I always like the argument that pits were bred to fight and, thus, they could come unglued at any given moment. I suppose the murderes of the world were all ancestors of the gladiators and just all of a sudden decided to revert back to their heritage?

Ralph...can I suggest that possibly you're sister-in-law and brother were not all that educated about dog behavior and, perhaps, weren't equipped to deal with a breed as head strong and powerful as a bully breed? I hear a lot of people say, "My dog will play fetch (or whatever) for hours" like it's necessarily a good thing. Fixation is NOT a good thing and it's not tolerated with my dogs at all (not in the house, not while walking and seeing a squirell...whatever). They play with their toys when I say they do and for as long as I say. My oldest knows better but the youngest one (now 5 months) will play with things past a point that I am comfortable with and then I take it away. Same with squeaky toys. Dogs don't play with them b/c they make a cute noise. It replicates an animal crying out. It's why none of my dogs have ever been allowed to play with them. Think about it dude....that dog had a reason for attacking and I can see what it may have been. Was it justifiable? Fawk no. But had that dog known who the fawk was the alpha that may not have happened. You may not know the details of the day to day life of that situation (I certainly don't). However...I just want to present to you that it's entirely plausible that there was a completely different dynamic going on that you or the owner had any incling to.

Joe...good for you. Looks like you're comfortable with the whole Yahoo Image search thing and can look up pictures of not only dogs but "Pitbull" dogs. I'm more impressed with your ability to multi-task and do a dual search for "Muzzled pitbull". You've got a real future ahead of you.

Do have any idea how many of Vick's dog's have gone on to lead healthy, gentle, and successful lives AFTER being rehabilitated?
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So you are saying that genetics and breeding have nothing to do with a dogs characteristic traits? Is that why police use french poodles to sniff for drugs? Or why the blind use Chiwawas as guide dogs? These are animals that have been bred for a certain look, skill, intelligence, strength, temperament, aggressiveness or any number of traits. In Australia they needed a dog like a collie that could herd larger animals and withstand the harsh environment so they crossed a Collie with a Dingo and bred a Blue Heeler taking traits from both breeds that were useful to the task at hand. So it is all about how the dog was bred, the ancestors of the American Pit were fighting/hunting dogs and by the early 1800's here in American, today's American Pit Bull Terrier was bred for fighting mainly in Boston. I am sorry if you want to deny the fact that these and other breeds were bred to fight but denying the fact isn't going to change the fact.

I am not saying pit bulls are the only dog or domesticated animal that could hurt/kill and I am not saying that rearing has nothing to do with how a pit will behave later in it's life. But out of all the other breeds of dog they have the highest attack rate. Something on the order of 1 in 3 domesticated dog attacks are by pit bulls or pit mix breeds. I want you to try and find 5 states that have laws banning the selling and breeding of miniature Dachshunds.

I am guessing the two dogs that you own are pits? If you have trained them as well as you say then bravo to you and I am sorry if I offended you in my statement that pit bulls are weapons. My intent was never to offend pit bull owners or any one really.
 
Coastie said:
So you are saying that genetics and breeding have nothing to do with a dogs characteristic traits? Is that why police use french poodles to sniff for drugs? Or why the blind use Chiwawas as guide dogs? These are animals that have been bred for a certain look, skill, intelligence, strength, temperament, aggressiveness or any number of traits. In Australia they needed a dog like a collie that could herd larger animals and withstand the harsh environment so they crossed a Collie with a Dingo and bred a Blue Heeler taking traits from both breeds that were useful to the task at hand. So it is all about how the dog was bred, the ancestors of the American Pit were fighting/hunting dogs and by the early 1800's here in American, today's American Pit Bull Terrier was bred for fighting mainly in Boston. I am sorry if you want to deny the fact that these and other breeds were bred to fight but denying the fact isn't going to change the fact.

I am not saying pit bulls are the only dog or domesticated animal that could hurt/kill and I am not saying that rearing has nothing to do with how a pit will behave later in it's life. But out of all the other breeds of dog they have the highest attack rate. Something on the order of 1 in 3 domesticated dog attacks are by pit bulls or pit mix breeds. I want you to try and find 5 states that have laws banning the selling and breeding of miniature Dachshunds.

I am guessing the two dogs that you own are pits? If you have trained them as well as you say then bravo to you and I am sorry if I offended you in my statement that pit bulls are weapons. My intent was never to offend pit bull owners or any one really.
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Being fighters and being aggressive towards humans are two different things. And even that can be broken down into separate tendencies, like territorial (watch dogs), personal protection dogs (man sharp).
Man sharp Pitt bulls are a fairly recent development, they were rare to non existent 50 years ago. And only really prevalent in the last twenty.
The problem is the old breed and the new breed can be hard to tell apart at a glance.
 
BIgDaddyChia said:
My 6lb cat will fark up some pitbulls.
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I had one of those, walked with a limp, one eye, one ear and didn't run from anything. Somebody out walking there dog and he'd park his rear right in the center of the sidewalk and make them walk around. Most all of the neighborhood dogs learned to avoid him.
 
I don't know...this is a subject that's always near to my heart. I work everyday with kids that are throw aways. They could be killed and no one but me would give a fawk or skip a beat. I look at my dogs/this breed the same way. My students aren't bad. They just need structure and consistency. I believe that every dog does (b/c it's a big liability/responsibility) but I go the extra mile with mine because I want the public to see them in a good light.

Hopefully no one is stupid enough to argue that any state has a ban on Dachsunds. Fortunately the undesirables are too fixated on "pits" and those owners don't have to worry. I think the part that disappoints me is when it's decided that it's best to just get rid of something entirely reather than try and find an appropriate solution. I'd like to think we live in a better world than that but sometimes I'm not sure.

And there was no offense taken.
 
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riverfever said:
I don't know...this is a subject that's always near to my heart. I work everyday with kids that are throw aways. They could be killed and no one but me would give a fawk or skip a beat. I look at my dogs/this breed the same way. My students aren't bad. They just need structure and consistency. I believe that every dog does (b/c it's a big liability/responsibility) but I go the extra mile with mine because I want the public to see them in a good light.

Hopefully no one is stupid enough to argue that any state has a ban on Dachsunds. Fortunately the undesirables are too fixated on "pits" and those owners don't have to worry. I think the part that disappoints me is when it's decided that it's best to just get rid of something entirely reather than try and find an appropriate solution. I'd like to think we live in a better world than that but sometimes I'm not sure.

And there was no offense taken.
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I would rather have a pit than a damn wiener dog. I can think of maybe 1 out of about 10 people I know that own them where the thing is not a vicious little animal. Mean, loud, and yappy, sharp as little teeth too. No one ever trains them to be nice or obedient because they think since they are small they do not have to. I will never own another chow/chow mix for the same reason.
 
My friend's dog is a little rat dog, it looks like a rat, maybe as big as a football (it looks like one of those little purse dogs celebs might have). Its the most viscous thing I've seen. Its bit people and attached more people than any other dog I've met.
 
riverfever said:
Coastie...there's thousands of ignorant people in the world. It doesn't bother me at all that you're one of them. Hell...it's job security for me man.

I always like the argument that pits were bred to fight and, thus, they could come unglued at any given moment. I suppose the murderes of the world were all ancestors of the gladiators and just all of a sudden decided to revert back to their heritage?

Ralph...can I suggest that possibly you're sister-in-law and brother were not all that educated about dog behavior and, perhaps, weren't equipped to deal with a breed as head strong and powerful as a bully breed? I hear a lot of people say, "My dog will play fetch (or whatever) for hours" like it's necessarily a good thing. Fixation is NOT a good thing and it's not tolerated with my dogs at all (not in the house, not while walking and seeing a squirell...whatever). They play with their toys when I say they do and for as long as I say. My oldest knows better but the youngest one (now 5 months) will play with things past a point that I am comfortable with and then I take it away. Same with squeaky toys. Dogs don't play with them b/c they make a cute noise. It replicates an animal crying out. It's why none of my dogs have ever been allowed to play with them. Think about it dude....that dog had a reason for attacking and I can see what it may have been. Was it justifiable? Fawk no. But had that dog known who the fawk was the alpha that may not have happened. You may not know the details of the day to day life of that situation (I certainly don't). However...I just want to present to you that it's entirely plausible that there was a completely different dynamic going on that you or the owner had any incling to.

Joe...good for you. Looks like you're comfortable with the whole Yahoo Image search thing and can look up pictures of not only dogs but "Pitbull" dogs. I'm more impressed with your ability to multi-task and do a dual search for "Muzzled pitbull". You've got a real future ahead of you.

Do have any idea how many of Vick's dog's have gone on to lead healthy, gentle, and successful lives AFTER being rehabilitated?
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Wow, just happened to come into this thread, lucky you for guys :smoker: and I agree with Riverfever. Seems he has his head on straight.

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Coastie, you have no clue, as did your brother or sister in law, sorry for them.

There was just a dog at out State Capitol in JC last week from Vick's camp. They were showing how they could be rehabilitated and the dog was as sweet as any other you would care to meet now. These dogs would rather have love and affection than fight anyday, just like most of us would. Yea, there are some "bad apples" as Coastie called 'em, but you can say that about any breed. My grama had a Maltese that would bite you and run away all the time. She is always on me, and has been for 28 years, about how my Pit Bulls will turn on me someday. :rolleyes: Some people need to expand their minds. Don't let your brain be taken over by other peoples thoughts, do your research.

Why do I say all this? Let me explain. I have been the proud owner of a Pit Bull ( mostly 2 or 3 at a time) for 28 years now. I did have a Boxer during that time, too, but strictly Pits for me. I have 2 boys. I had my first Pit when the first one was born. That dog saved my son's life by scaring the color out of a black guy that tried to carjack my wife and son one day in St. Joseph Missouri. If that dog had not been in the car, that guy was gonna take the car and them and do God knows what.As he was trying to get into the car from tha passenger side, Maggie hit the window, teeth bared and barking her head off at the guy. She meant business. I thank her for that, and took care of her like a Queen until the day she died.

I've had 5 others since her and another son to boot. Those dogs worship those kids. Try and mess with 'em, I dare ya. I currently have 2, a male and a female, 3 and 6 years old respectively. They sleep with us, lay on our couch, snuggle on our pillow like all the others did. Are they mean? Maybe. If you come over to my house and I'm home, you will get more love than you want from them. You come over and try to come in without me, well, your on your own...lol. That's the way I want it. That's the way I like it. :cheers:

One day my son was walking one of our dogs, Manson (RIP) up the street on his leash. He walked by the house up the street and the little Yorkie that lived there came running out, barking and charged Manson, ending up hanging from his lip in the middle of the road as the horrified neighbors ran after the dog freaking out ...lol. Manson just kinda looked up at my son, dog hanging off his lip like WTF? He could have ate the little mutt, but he wasn't raised like that. Kinda like children, ya know what I mean?

Anyway, I always hate to see people talking about what they don't know anything about, and I consider myself somewhat educated in this, so I tend to speak out. Sorry for the rant.

Here's the 2 I have now. The fat one is the female, Daisy Mae. Male is Bandit, he is Manson's son. I lost Manson about 4 years ago. A great dog.




Manson:




And one with him being mean. ;)

 
Coastie said:
But out of all the other breeds of dog they have the highest attack rate. Something on the order of 1 in 3 domesticated dog attacks are by pit bulls or pit mix breeds.
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Resource to back up claim?

From This site: Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.

I've heard about Chows being somewhat aggressive in the past.

EDIT: Pits tend to be more damaging however. The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls. In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
 
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I just drove straight through from Georgia to The UP of Michigan in my new XJ and a lot of those 16 hours were spent thinking about this thread. I am pleasantly surprised that it didn't go the way I thought it would.

I think it's a good thing that all of ya'lls pits are not aggressive I hope that's true. Hopefully these Pits will be bred and the breed will change. I agree River, that it would be better to save something rather then destroy it out right.
 
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Darky said:
Resource to back up claim?

From This site: Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.

I've heard about Chows being somewhat aggressive in the past.

EDIT: Pits tend to be more damaging however. The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls. In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
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Chows are aggressive too IIRC they were bred as guard dogs in China.

I never knew this but this thread got me reading last night and Dalmatians can be aggressive as well but not because of their genetics but because here in the U.S. the demand is so high that breeders have inbred them and they have become retarded. This could be avoided with a reputable breeder though.
 
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