I thought this was an interesting read... recieved an e-mail about this sheriff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
One tough sheriff
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JohnX
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yeah, wish he was here.
XJ Dreamin'
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I think that's where the TB guy is.
Kyle Petterson
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I met Mr. Arpaio about a year ago. Awesome Sheriff.
ren
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Jackweed. Way too much enjoyment through absolute control of other peoples lives. Watch it if this 'hole decides to run for Pres.
Way to much enjoyment? Sounds to me like he's trying to make it so they don't desire to go back to prison... They're getting what they deserve. There's consequences for breaking the law. If you don't wanna be treated like a criminal... don't be a criminal.
Beej
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Oh jeez, here we go again...Bdiddy11 said:
Very little crime is deterred via fear of punishment.
Behaviourally speaking, punishment is a behavioural reinforcer, not a deterrent or means of extinguishment. It is a weak enforcer, yes, but it still reinforces the behaviour. The purpose of punishment is not to change behaviour, it is to appease the victim of the behaviour...
5-90
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Beej said:
The main problem with punishment is that we have removed the element of pain. Ask your parents - pain is an effeictve motivator for behaviour modification.
I honestly think that if we had the lash instead of the cell, you'd start seeing some deterred crimes. Capital crimes? Capital offenders should not end up sitting on Death Row for 30-40 years - the process should allow for execution within one year. Execution should be reserved for the truly unrepentant, unreformable, or egregious offenders - but the process should also be streamlined somewhat (and enough of this "dignified death for the offender" shite - what happened to the idea of "dignified death" for the people he killed? Fire him out a cannon and into a brick wall. Have a target.)
"Punishment" must be, by nature, partly "cruel" and partly "unusual," or it is ineffective.
XJ Dreamin'
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Beej said:
County Sheriffs are always good for a laugh. The proverbial 'big fish' (Is that even a proverb) on their way up the ladder. The worst ones are those who actually believe in a cause.
ren
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BINGO, we have a winner.
hotrod22
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5-90, I couldn't agree with you more brother! I think jail should be one of those places where you DO NOT want to go! I wish EVERY Sheriff should be like him! I believe if we had public caning like that American kid got in Singapore a while back for spray painting some graffitti, America would be a better place! Get caught stealing..... lose a hand! Rape = castration! Now the rape charge would have to be proven without a shadow of a doubt, in case the woman just gave it to you, then cried wolf, we would have to figure something else out for those. Murder..... if it is PROVEN, that very day, a bullet in the head! I remember seeing a special on maximum security prisons, on how tough/dangerous these inmates are....... one guy had to be fitted with a mosquito net hood while being walked around because he would spit on the guards!!! What is wrong with this picture??? They are going AROUND the problem! Don't make it to where he CAN'T spit on the guards, make him not WANT to spit on them! Hmmmm...... like a nightstick or baton to the teeth EVERY time he spits!
SCW
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Beej said:
Beej, I have read studies that rate punishment as the #1 deterrent, and concealed weapons as #2.
I like it. If you don't want the time, don't do the crime. Pretty sensible deterrent to me!
Ray H
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There's one thing that will stop habitual criminals, thats death.
Prison does nothing but turn them into harder criminals with no chance to make a legal living.
If an individual is a three time offender, "Good night, see ya in the next life"
Prison does nothing but turn them into harder criminals with no chance to make a legal living.
If an individual is a three time offender, "Good night, see ya in the next life"
5-90
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Ray H said:
Largely true on prison - the rate of recidivism is as high as it is because people are stigmatised afterwards. You never stop "paying your debt to society" - which is a significant problem.
If people would commit a crime, get convicted, be punished, and the matter sealed afterwards, we'd probably have a reduction in repeat offenders.
The idea of "paying your debt to society" is that the debt is then paid in full and you're not going to continue to be penalised for it.
Seal the record, but don't get rid of it. If there is a repeat offense, then the record is unsealed, and the "habitual offender" stigma can be brought to bear. However, the courts should be the only people with access to the records between the first and any second offense. If there is no second offense, then the individual has rehabilitated himself and we can consider the matter closed. It's easier to rehabilitate yourself if you are allowed to do so...
Ray H
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For me, "paying a debt" has nothing to do with it. Punishment has nothing to do with it. A criminals "debt" is not to society, its to the individual who they commited the crime against and punishment has no effect on criminals. Its all about removing them from the society. The tricky part is figuring out when to remove them.
I agree that if a person commits one crime, they should be given a break. Two serious crimes they should be branded as a criminal. I think repeat criminals should be branded so everyone knows what theyve done, thats called accountability.
. Three serious crimes, they've proven they can't function within a society so they need to be removed from it. The problem with that is what do you do with them. You can put them in prison for life where they live as a burden on the society or you can kill them, thats my favorite, no more problems with them, no more burden, no more worries.
I agree that if a person commits one crime, they should be given a break. Two serious crimes they should be branded as a criminal. I think repeat criminals should be branded so everyone knows what theyve done, thats called accountability.
. Three serious crimes, they've proven they can't function within a society so they need to be removed from it. The problem with that is what do you do with them. You can put them in prison for life where they live as a burden on the society or you can kill them, thats my favorite, no more problems with them, no more burden, no more worries.
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Speed_racer
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Agreed on the prison thing. We hold prisoners now. We dont prepare them for being re-released into the world.
Times are changing fast.
I think the US might have one or two properly functional CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, which is, after all, what all prisons were DESIGNED to be, am I not correct?!
Shit, we just need to make a Legion!
Times are changing fast.
I think the US might have one or two properly functional CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, which is, after all, what all prisons were DESIGNED to be, am I not correct?!
Shit, we just need to make a Legion!
XJ Dreamin'
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In Texas it's called the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, or TDCJ. It's habitual, however, to drop the the last letter from the acronym (there's a reason 3-letter acronyms are most popular - people are lazy). When I first arrived in Texas I thought TDC meant Texas Department of Corrections. When I found out there was a 'J' on the end and that the last two letters stood for 'Criminal Justice' my first thought was, "Dang. I thought it was the victim who was seeking justice. What does the criminal need with justice?"
Actually, living in Huntsville, I know a lot of people who work for TDCJ. They are very serious about what they do. They suffer under a massive, debilitating lack of funding, but they are very serious about making the prison system work.
Actually, living in Huntsville, I know a lot of people who work for TDCJ. They are very serious about what they do. They suffer under a massive, debilitating lack of funding, but they are very serious about making the prison system work.
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XJ Dreamin'
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hotrod22 said:
This is where you get into 15 years of appeals, forget about "that very day."
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hotrod22
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XJ Dreamin' said:
I mean on the cases where the person is "dead to rights" guilty (no pun intended), that day he needs to die, no need for him to be around one day longer. Oh, and appeals? You would get 1 (one) within a year maximum, then the verdict is final! If you get into ANY KIND of trouble during that year while in prison awaiting your appeal...... boom! automatically guilty! lol! Sounds kinda rough, I know! but I bet you any amount of $$$ you want to put on it, people will think alot harder before deciding to break the law! If your not a criminal, then you don't have anything to worry about, right?
Ray H
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Heres a statistic I read a few years back.
It cost as much to feed, house and care for one convict as it does to feed, house, pay and train an E4 in our military.
I think its a crime that we spend as much $$$$ to take care of a convicted criminal as we do to take care of one of our fighting men/women.
I say if we arent going to put habitual offenders to death immediately, at least put them in a little steel box and feed them disgarded food from schools or jails, ect. until they die naturally. Because Im sick of paying for them.
It cost as much to feed, house and care for one convict as it does to feed, house, pay and train an E4 in our military.
I think its a crime that we spend as much $$$$ to take care of a convicted criminal as we do to take care of one of our fighting men/women.
I say if we arent going to put habitual offenders to death immediately, at least put them in a little steel box and feed them disgarded food from schools or jails, ect. until they die naturally. Because Im sick of paying for them.
